The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[BBB167893]

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"JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author Ressler also was reported to state: 'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense' "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.' "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more."

 

[JMO8778]

NONE of the experts,not even on the R's side,have ever said they thought the note was written by a foreigner.Even though there were a lot of lies put out there,NO one was willing to stick their neck out that far for the Rams.It would be like putting a giraffe neck on a human.It just doesn't work.

I think most telling is none of them ever ruled out Patsy.No one wanted to be caught wrong if she ever did confess or was found guilty.

(the syntax is all wrong for a foreigner.they tend to get plurals wrong,things like adding s, es or ed where they don't belong(or leaving them out),and they tend to use incorrect tenses and incorrect phrasing of adverbs and tenses.conjugating verbs can be like amateur juggling night got them,too.)I just really don't see anything to indicate it was written by a foreigner.

 

[angelwngs]

Try this on for size:

"JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author Ressler also was reported to state: 'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense' "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.' "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more."

Thank You, SD!!!!!!!!! I went looking for this when you said you felt Robert Ressler's opinion summed up your feelings and I couldn't find it.

Dead on The Money! :clap: imho (I get so "D" tired of typing 'imo'... What's 99 lawyers at the bottom of the Ocean? ~A pitiful, half A$$ start...IMO)

 

[BBB167893]

I'm a superhero. Helping's my business.

Shakespeare: "let's kill all the lawyers."

 

[LI_Mom]

Thank You, SD!!!!!!!!! I went looking for this when you said you felt Robert Ressler's opinion summed up your feelings and I couldn't find it.

Dead on The Money! :clap: imho (I get so "D" tired of typing 'imo'... What's 99 lawyers at the bottom of the Ocean? ~A pitiful, half A$$ start...IMO)

FWIW, maybe it's NOT that lawyers are the problem.... maybe it's what the courts & judges allow them to get away with.

 

[angelwngs]

FWIW, maybe it's NOT that lawyers are the problem.... maybe it's what the courts & judges allow them to get away with.

...somewhere in their attics all of them have a law degree...

 

[BBB167893]

Yeah, kind of a circular problem.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

Okay, I'm somebody who will admit to using the word hence in English, that may make me wierd, but that alone does not convince me the writer of the note was Hispanic, sorry!

I'm sorry, I was unclear. It wasn't just that one phrase (y por lo tanto--and hence), it was the overall tone, grammar and and some of the word choices.

I don't think it's convincing but it's interesting.

I'm not saying I think it was definitely written by a Spanish speaker. It does make me wonder if anyone who is a suspect in this case had contact with Spanish speakers, enough contact to maybe do a good job of imitation.

 

[robotdog]

john ramsey is not a stupid man but he might just be pure evil

and for wudge and anyone else - its my opinion so please dont waste your time ranting about him being innocent, this aint a court room so save the shucking and jiving for someone else.........:crazy:


what is most interesting to me is lets just say for a minute that he had nothing to do with anything, that he was totally innocent of the killing, of the staging etc etc etc

what kind of a moron is he that cant see how ludicrous to at least at the very least have some suspicion on patsy -- even a little for goodness sakes

i mean "come on" am i supposed to believe that Law enforcement were OUT TO GET PATSY or was it because things simply pointed in her direction

hells bells - things were pointing at her like a laser beam,

at last count there were 4875 "i dont knows"
and about 2000 plus inconsistentcies


GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESHHHH

for him to sit there and not even suspect her a little bit speaks volumes
about him being involved because no matter what if she killed their own daughter who is say she wouldnt kill again......

the only reason he cant suspect her is because HE KNOWS the nano second he makes that news public - it might be curtains for HIM and HER

John R is at worst a cover upper and possibly worse

 

[LinasK]

I'm sorry, I was unclear. It wasn't just that one phrase (y por lo tanto--and hence), it was the overall tone, grammar and and some of the word choices.

I don't think it's convincing but it's interesting.

I'm not saying I think it was definitely written by a Spanish speaker. It does make me wonder if anyone who is a suspect in this case had contact with Spanish speakers, enough contact to maybe do a good job of imitation.

Patsy knew French, she may have studied Spanish as well, she lived in the South and French and Spanish have common roots.

 

[robotdog]

seems to me, when john found JBR in the basement and she was dead and they brought her upstairs, i have never heard a bit about either of the parents or for that matter anyone else in the house wondering or being concerned if the FREAKIN KILLER might still be in the FREAKIN BASEMENT.

i find this crazy, john and fleet were onyl down there for a very short time
seems to me that very possible the real killer might still be there

that is of course if you are john and patsy you know there is nothing to worry about



3 points -

 

[JMO8778]

robot,I would have closed the curtains as well and laid low.whenever I think of terrorists,snipers also come to mind. (with automatic weapons,the whole bit).If I'd been an invited guest that morning,I'd have probably been hiding under a table(and wondering why the heck they called ppl over!)

 

[Tristan]

There are SO many Red flags and inconsistencies with this case, it makes my head spin!

A few that really stand out to me:

The ransom letter was a complete work of fiction.
EVERYTHING in it made no sense, and goes against all
known behaviour previously seen in ransom kidnappings.

It sounds like it was dictated, and EVERY reference was made to point towards someone who had a gripe with the Ramseys.
NO kidnapper in history has ever asked for such a ridiculous amount of money.
$118,000??? You would ask for $120,000, or, more likely, $200,000.

Maybe the kidnappers will next ask for $122,000 and 73 cents!!

Also, think for a moment if you were in the Ramsey's situation, and you had accidentally killed your child. (or were covering for someone who did just that.)
The primary thing I would do is to direct everything AWAY from myself.

Foreign faction....check
insults (Fat Cat, etc)....check
intimidation (Don't underestimate us, John)....check

The fact that it was overlong and rambling just goes to show that the author
was very nervous and wanted to make sure that EVERYTHING was covered.

Ransom notes are generally short and sweet.

example:
We have your child.
If you ever want to see her again, you will give us $500,000
in unmarked bills.
Notify anyone and she dies.
Instructions to follow."

Any more than this will only succeed in giving clues to the writer's identity.


This note is the single BEST piece of evidence in this case.

WHY didn't LE take it more seriously???

 

[robotdog]

robot,I would have closed the curtains as well and laid low.whenever I think of terrorists,snipers also come to mind. (with automatic weapons,the whole bit).If I'd been an invited guest that morning,I'd have probably been hiding under a table(and wondering why the heck they called ppl over!)

yep !

 

[angelwngs]

seems to me, when john found JBR in the basement and she was dead and they brought her upstairs, i have never heard a bit about either of the parents or for that matter anyone else in the house wondering or being concerned if the FREAKIN KILLER might still be in the FREAKIN BASEMENT.

i find this crazy, john and fleet were onyl down there for a very short time
seems to me that very possible the real killer might still be there

that is of course if you are john and patsy you know there is nothing to worry about



3 points -

Imagine for a minute, being one of their 'friends' who were there that morning...

Unless, they had an IQ of 50 or less they had to have been slapped in the face with the realization that they had allowed themselves to be 'drug into' a well devised plan of action and that they were about to become the next 'suspects' to be thrown under the bus...

I wish we had a video tape of facial expressions in that house on the morning of the 26th. I would love to see the exact moment each 'guest' realized that they had been conned...

 

[angelwngs]

There are SO many Red flags and inconsistencies with this case, it makes my head spin!

A few that really stand out to me:

The ransom letter was a complete work of fiction.
EVERYTHING in it made no sense, and goes against all
known behaviour previously seen in ransom kidnappings.

It sounds like it was dictated, and EVERY reference was made to point towards someone who had a gripe with the Ramseys.
NO kidnapper in history has ever asked for such a ridiculous amount of money.
$118,000??? You would ask for $120,000, or, more likely, $200,000.

Maybe the kidnappers will next ask for $122,000 and 73 cents!!

Also, think for a moment if you were in the Ramsey's situation, and you had accidentally killed your child. (or were covering for someone who did just that.)
The primary thing I would do is to direct everything AWAY from myself.

Foreign faction....check
insults (Fat Cat, etc)....check
intimidation (Don't underestimate us, John)....check

The fact that it was overlong and rambling just goes to show that the author
was very nervous and wanted to make sure that EVERYTHING was covered.

Ransom notes are generally short and sweet.

example:
We have your child.
If you ever want to see her again, you will give us $500,000
in unmarked bills.
Notify anyone and she dies.
Instructions to follow."

Any more than this will only succeed in giving clues to the writer's identity.


This note is the single BEST piece of evidence in this case.

WHY didn't LE take it more seriously???

Because the ransom letter, in and of itself, only 'pointed directly' toward certain people and the majority of the remaining evidence had been tainted by everyone present on the morning of the 26th, falling straight into the killer's 'plan' of contaminating the crime scene...

 

[angelwngs]

Patsy knew French, she may have studied Spanish as well, she lived in the South and French and Spanish have common roots.

PR knew French, because Jackie Kennedy was fluent in French. JMO... :boohoo: I'm shocked that there was no reference to Camelot...

 

[BBB167893]

JFK: famous for his early death

JBR: famous for her early death

HHMMM!!

 

[LI_Mom]

It's weird even BEFORE she finds the RN....

it's laid out across the steps.... not in a pile.

She just woke up... is tired.... and she notices it on the steps.... steps OVER that step so she doesn't step on the papers & then turns around to read it.

But she DOESN'T even read it.... she only skims through it.... screams for John & HE comes & takes the note... places in on the floor in the hallway so he can read it on his hands & knees?


Ok, let's pretend this isn't CRAZY.... after they called 911 & a bunch of friends, Patsy STILL hasn't bothered to read the entire note. 4 months later when questioned... she doesn't know what the whole note said?

How many parents here would NOT be pouring over the letter to get a clue that might help find your daughter's kidnapper?

These people can't be for real.... either THE most stupid people in the entire world OR big, fat liars. (Maybe both, now that I think of it)


http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm

18 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. And could we

19 talk a little bit more about the ransom note

20 here.

21 THOMAS HANEY: Sure.

22 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you mind pulling

23 that out? If you could spread that out. There

24 was something I was confused about. Let's

25 spread it out 1, 2, 3 like it was on the steps.

0324

1 Now, you had made a comment about reading only

2 like the first paragraph or so when you first

3 saw it, right?

4 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

5 TRIP DeMUTH: And then there was

6 another time when you had read about "don't call

7 the police," right?

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

9 TRIP DeMUTH: And I think -- can

10 you show me where that was?

11 PATSY RAMSEY: Right here.

12 (Mumbling, reading note.)

13 TRIP DeMUTH: So that's kind of in

14 the middle there, the second page?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

16 TRIP DeMUTH: When did you read

17 that portion?

18 PATSY RAMSEY: I think when John

19 had it down on the floor there and in that back

20 hallway. You know, I was kind of glancing at

21 it. Over his shoulder, sort of picked that out.

22 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. When was that

23 in relationship to calling the police?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: That was probably

25 just a couple of seconds before. You know,

0325

1 something like because it says don't do it and

2 call (INAUDIBLE).

3 TRIP DeMUTH: How did you get to

4 that portion of the note? Did you read the

5 entire thing?

6 PATSY RAMSEY: No, no. I couldn't,

7 I just couldn't look at it. I mean I got to

8 this place where my daughter was missing, I went

9 upstairs, she was missing and I remember looking

10 at this, looking, and then I was like, you know,

11 kind of glanced at it.

12 TRIP DeMUTH: So it was -- how did

13 you get -- so tell me how you got to that one

14 portion there about not calling the --

15 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)

16 PATSY RAMSEY: But it popped out.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: And that was seconds

18 before you called the police?

19 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

 

[LI_Mom]

PR knew French, because Jackie Kennedy was fluent in French. JMO... :boohoo: I'm shocked that there was no reference to Camelot...

Honestly.... does someone have to know French to know the term "attache case?"

We're not talking about blue collar workers here.... they have to have SOME clue about what people in the business world carry to work.