The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[robotdog]

OOOH OHHHHH spagettios
after fishing around i found what i was looking for

the BLACK SMUDGES........
i think they came from the person who wrote the note with the sharpie pen
marks on the spiral staircase post...
thats what happens when you write a ramsom note with a BLACK MAGIC MARKER in the DARK using only a flashlight...

got ya PATSY :crazy:


1 TOM HANEY: Did the kids take any?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Oh, I don't

3 know. That just seems really weird, unless

4 somebody was trying to get rid of film and just

5 (indicating) clicked anything. I can't imagine

6 why you just take a pictures of a messy hallway.

7 TOM HANEY: Okay.

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Did you want to see me?

9 TRIP DeMUTH: That's a good point.

10 PATSY RAMSEY: What is it? There's

11 smudges.

12 MR. ARMISTEAD: See what I'm saying?

13 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).

14 What could that be?

15 TOM HANEY: Just for the record, Ellis has

16 pointed out some black smudges on the center

17 post of the spiral staircase.

18 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh, uh-huh (yes). That

19 looks strange, though.

 

[JMO8778]

I wonder if she got some on gloves she was wearing,then touched the staircase?perhaps she was trying to figure out where to place the note?

 

[JMO8778]

robot,thx for that,i never noticed that! last time i read that part,we were only concentrating on the questions of the pics taken in that section.

 

[robotdog]

I wonder if she got some on gloves she was wearing,then touched the staircase?perhaps she was trying to figure out where to place the note?

yep, she wore the gloves and was figurrrring a place to put the note and
in the darkness hard to see smudges with a flashlight which is doing nothing but making shadows and making it even more difficult to spot something out of whack :crazy:

 

[robotdog]

robot,thx for that,i never noticed that! last time i read that part,we were only concentrating on the questions of the pics taken in that section.

your welcome

i also think there was some cleaning supplies or windex or something that was in a picture that the ramseys took and then it was not there...when the police took some photos


really wild stuff, i need to read and do some more more thinking and then think some more about it, and then think some more about it

this is a giant puzzle with some missing pieces thrown about and a few missing because the dog ate them :furious:

 

[angelwngs]

They would be a tall order, txsvicki. The note writer couldn't make up his mind as to what he was! The crime SEEMS to be a half-a**ed pedophile job, but the note has elements of ransom kidnappers, Islamic terrorist and far-left anarchist wacko. He's everything and nothing.

No Doubt!

The crime does not match the ransom letter.

The evidence in the crime completely voids the validity of the 'intent' of the ransom letter and the ransom letter completely voids the validity of the pedophile evidence in the crime.

 

[angelwngs]

The fake ransom letter was simply the final touch on the staging of the crime scene. (In fact, the FBI stated that there was actually 'staging within staging' at this crime scene).

The first (of many) red flags for me is the sheer length of it. So totally unnecessary - but again, one more thing overdone in this crime.
It was as if the writer (Patsy) began writing hoping desparately that it would convince and throw off the inevitable appearance of law enforcement the next day.
But in her panic and terror, one page did not seem enough.
So on she went to two pages.
No. That's not quite enough. On to three pages.
"Please, please believe me!" The letter nearly shouts.
Finally, after the third page she cries "VICTORY!"

Of course being in a shocked and panicked state she was not thinking clearly and coherently enough to prevent her real self from coming through loud and clear in her script.
She slips and uses phrases she commonly, but not so much others, used.
"And hence." Shows up a few months later in the Christmas letter she wrote.
"Gentlemen" Since when does a foreign terrorist kidnapper who threatens to behead a small child use a term such as "gentlemen?" It's nearly laughable.
Patsy used this language. Being a southern gal and all.
The slip up of veering from the use of "We" to the (more truthful) use of "I."
Again, the truth is revealed haphazardly throughout the letter as she was in
no frame of mind in her shocked and terrrified state to think these things through. It was probably nearly time to make that dreaded 911 call....

One of the most obvious red flags regarding this fake ransom letter is something that didn't occur after the crime.
And that is the demand for the ransom money.
Afterall - the writer of the note tried desparately hard to get you to believe that THIS (money $$$) was THE motivation for the crime and was the reason why JonBenet was "missing."
The writer probably figured that the police would come, read the note and go set up a command post somewhere else.
That would simply prolong the inevitable nightmare of "finding the body" downstairs.
But she was desparate.

And finally, the very critical fact that the perp did NOT travel to that home, supposedly intent on kidnapping for ransom, with his RANSOM NOTE prepared but sat around composing one in the home after scrounging around for paper and pen - in and of itself makes you want to laugh at those who suggest an intruder committed this crime!

Yes, the ransom letter is by far the most damning evidence against the Ramseys. And I didn't even touch on the fact that the handwriting was disguised and even with that they could not rule out Patsy Ramsey as the author... and some handwriting experts said that she is indeed the author.

Yep. Closest thing to a smoking gun is that ransom letter.

All is my humble opinion of course. Informed humble opinion that is.:innocent:
~Angel~

Excellent observations, Angel. :clap::clap::clap:

 

[angelwngs]

OOOH OHHHHH spagettios
after fishing around i found what i was looking for

the BLACK SMUDGES........
i think they came from the person who wrote the note with the sharpie pen
marks on the spiral staircase post...
thats what happens when you write a ramsom note with a BLACK MAGIC MARKER in the DARK using only a flashlight...

got ya PATSY :crazy:


1 TOM HANEY: Did the kids take any?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Oh, I don't

3 know. That just seems really weird, unless

4 somebody was trying to get rid of film and just

5 (indicating) clicked anything. I can't imagine

6 why you just take a pictures of a messy hallway.

7 TOM HANEY: Okay.

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Did you want to see me?

9 TRIP DeMUTH: That's a good point.

10 PATSY RAMSEY: What is it? There's

11 smudges.

12 MR. ARMISTEAD: See what I'm saying?

13 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).

14 What could that be?

15 TOM HANEY: Just for the record, Ellis has

16 pointed out some black smudges on the center

17 post of the spiral staircase.

18 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh, uh-huh (yes). That

19 looks strange, though.

Humm.... I never put 2 and 2 together on this one! Good catch!

 

[Anniegirl]

Good job.

I just keep getting stuck on the notion that a kidnapping gone wrong would sum how turn into an elaborat scheme to "frame" the Ramseys. A kidnapper would have taken the body dead or alive.

Angelwngs - great work --and pointing out some things I hadnt thought about before!

Rino---my thoughts ,exactly--a kidnapper would've taken her dead or alive and discarded of her body-

 

[JMO8778]

yep, she wore the gloves and was figurrrring a place to put the note and
in the darkness hard to see smudges with a flashlight which is doing nothing but making shadows and making it even more difficult to spot something out of whack :crazy:

yes,good reason to clean the flashlight too,huh? since it was found wiped down.

 

[robotdog]

yes,good reason to clean the flashlight too,huh? since it was found wiped down.

a flashlight that has no prints on it, is one of the craziest things i have ever heard of,

1. first you need to buy it and prints will be on it from taking it out of the package

2. most of the time you need to put batteries in it although some come with batteries pre- installed - but not that many

3. then you need to use it - and more than likely kids use them and forget to turn the thing off which means you need to open it and replace the batteries
a few dozen times

that pesky obsessive intruder again cleaning up everything after he uses it


hmmmmm.. maybe some black sharpie marker prints on it from when patsy wrote the darn EPISODE in the DARK
:furious:

 

[Solace]

A thought just occurred to me....I may be way off base here. But, I have always thought that John was dictating that ransom note to Patsy, because I don't believe that she would have been in the right frame of mind to write all of that by herself. When the note says..."Listen carefully"...could that possibly have been John talking to Patsy....before the start of the RN, and she thought that it was part of the note? IOW...before he started dictating...he could have told her how to address it...MR. RAMSEY...and then said..."Listen carefully"....talking to Patsy, so that she wouldn't screw the note up? She thought that was the start of the note...and began to write? Just a thought...

I really think John helped her also. I think she handed him the the supplies and he did it - he broke the paint brush and made the garrote. They are so phucking nuts. I think he may very well have dictated parts of the note.

 

[LI_Mom]

robot,there were no prints on the note,so it seems Patsy wore gloves to write it,which is where the ink would be,not on her.

Actually, the RN did turn up prints of Patsy & John.

 

[Darlene733510]

I wonder if they checked the practice notes that were in the waste basket for prints. There should have been prints on them, probably at the bottom of the page, where they lifted the sheet and tore it off.

 

[BBB167893]

Humm.... I never put 2 and 2 together on this one! Good catch!

Yeah, I never noticed it.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

The biggest piece of evidence or lack of in this case regarding the ransom note is the LACK of either John or Patsy's fingerprints. They can get "Touch DNA" off the long johns, but there are NO prints anywhere on that note? er...um.. letter?

Patsy also stated she didn't read the whole letter? Come on.... If your child was missing, wouldn't you want to find out why and who took her and isn't the only thing at that point to help the Ransom note? Never bought this from either parent ever. This was my #1 clue that John was involved. That along with the release of the 911 tape.

Someone was molesting this child, and they both covered it up.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Actually, the RN did turn up prints of Patsy & John.

LI Mom, care to share where you got that information??

 

[LinasK]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Yes- like her mother.

:clap:

Now I almost lost my lunch I laughed so hard at that!

 

[azwriter]

A thought just occurred to me....I may be way off base here. But, I have always thought that John was dictating that ransom note to Patsy, because I don't believe that she would have been in the right frame of mind to write all of that by herself. When the note says..."Listen carefully"...could that possibly have been John talking to Patsy....before the start of the RN, and she thought that it was part of the note? IOW...before he started dictating...he could have told her how to address it...MR. RAMSEY...and then said..."Listen carefully"....talking to Patsy, so that she wouldn't screw the note up? She thought that was the start of the note...and began to write? Just a thought...

Good thought, Ames. This has always been how I've seen the "Listen carefully" line. He said it, she wrote it.
I do believe the ransom letter was done to try and explain to LE why there was a dead child in the basement of that home. (which the parents were betting on the cops finding later).
It was not enough for the parents to call 911 and say "our daughter has been kidnapped." They needed something material as proof.
I of course, as everyone knows, believes this letter was written by Patsy because of her journalism background.

 

[angelwngs]

http://www.acandyrose.com/04112000thomas-pg73-74.htm

The practice note has always been interesting to me.

The link above shows photocopies of the pad, page by page, to include the ransom letter, the practice note and the blank pages as they were found in the R's home.

It's worth a relook, IMO.