The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[JMO8778]

Shame the Lounge Lizard into putting his hands into his pockets on JonBenet's behalf, or set up a charity page on the web requesting donations for said purpose?



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that's what I was trying to do with the reward thread I started.(nice to see you back,btw!).Ok,Lacy wants to say the Rams are cleared,so put up or shut up?
..charity,well,we all know what they do w the donations..but let the supporters find out as well.

 

[JMO8778]

THANK YOU!! My memory failed me on who it was that saw it through the door, on the floor.

Right, she said that she handed it to John when he was running down the stairs. Yeah, and pigs fly. LOL If they handled that note as much as they said they did, then their prints would have been ALL OVER IT!

No,it was John Fernie,wasn't it? The Stines weren't called over that morning,which is odd,seeing as they were the last to see the R's the night before,and could vouch for them.I don't think it's just irony that they were also the only set of friends they didn't turn on.

 

[DeeDee249]

No,it was John Fernie,wasn't it? The Stines weren't called over that morning,which is odd,seeing as they were the last to see the R's the night before,and could vouch for them.I don't think it's just irony that they were also the only set of friends they didn't turn on.

I agree. I've always thought about that. They weren't called that morning and they were the only ones not to be either thrown under the bus or turned away from the Rs.

 

[robotdog]

leaving the PHONY RAMSEY...errr ahhh i mean RAMSOM NOTE

and then leaving the body in the basement fully RE-DRESSED


people were in a panic and time was against them.. they tried covering lots of bases, but because of the panic they could not possibly think of everything they needed to think about



there had to be lights on in that house, or a flashlight was used all over the place... shocking a FLASHLIGHT was found but ohhhhhhh goodness gracious
holy moses it might not have been the Ramseys - it looked different

and LO and BEHOLD night vision binoculars - another stroke of luck for the intruder

where is the ROPE and stuff that had to be left over from when the ramseys tied her up- i think john went for a little walk somewhere and buried them or threw them in a sewer

too bad his lies stink worse than a sewer

 

[robotdog]

i still say ramsey prints should be on the damn note, for crying out loud they picked it up --ALL 3 pages

something stinks - its rotten

 

[BBB167893]

This WHOLE thing stinks to high heaven, robotdog.

Like you say: nobody thinks of everything. You're going to screw it up. That's why we have lawyers!

 

[DeeDee249]

i still say ramsey prints should be on the damn note, for crying out loud they picked it up --ALL 3 pages

something stinks - its rotten

To me, the things that the Rs prints are NOT on is more suspicious than anything their prints might be on. Even if an intruder had used the R flashlight and wiped it down, why wipe the batteries? An intruder wouldn't care if the police found the homeowners prints on those. Nor should the Rs, if they were innocent. There are reasons why the Rs wiped off those batteries. They wanted to be able to say it wasn't theirs (though they admitted they had one "just like it".

 

[Grainne Dhu]

Also.... they had some group (that helps families deal with bad situations) come into the house & they scrubbed the kitchen & who knows what else.

I don't remember exactly when they arrived.

LE's best bet is to test the items from the basement & work out from there.

Also of interest might be that paper bag with rope found on John Andrew's bed.... Patsy claims THAT didn't belong to them either.

I agree. Keep working outwards from the most incriminating sites to the least likely sites. DNA found in the kitchen, dining room or living room would be very interesting if it matched DNA found in more incriminating sites but DNA found in those sites alone means very little. It sounds like half of Boulder trooped through that house, so if specific DNA is found only in those rooms the owner of that DNA could reasonably say they'd been in the house legitimately.

The paper bag with rope would be very interesting, especially the rope. Also I wonder about the sheets on JonBenet's bed, since it seems likely that that is where the crime started.

 

[TinaD]

Wasn't it also Susan Stine who answered the door to the police after the aborted 911 call, a couple of days earlier?

 

[Ames]

i still say ramsey prints should be on the damn note, for crying out loud they picked it up --ALL 3 pages

something stinks - its rotten

They SAID that they picked it up and read it. That doesn't mean that they did...really the only time anybody actually saw either one of the Ramsey's handle the note, was when Patsy handed it to investigators when they arrived. I don't believe that John ever touched or read it, he didn't have to...and neither did Patsy, because they knew what it said. I also do not believe that Patsy ever put it on the staircase. I believe that it was placed on the floor, and was never picked up again, until Patsy picked it up to hand it over to investigators. So less chance of fingerprints.

 

[angelwngs]

They SAID that they picked it up and read it. That doesn't mean that they did...really the only time anybody actually saw either one of the Ramsey's handle the note, was when Patsy handed it to investigators when they arrived. I don't believe that John ever touched or read it, he didn't have to...and neither did Patsy, because they knew what it said. I also do not believe that Patsy ever put it on the staircase. I believe that it was placed on the floor, and was never picked up again, until Patsy picked it up to hand it over to investigators. So less chance of fingerprints.

If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, quacks like a duck...then it is probably a duck...

I have no, zero, nada sympathy for the R's-never have, never will. They did this to themselves. No one put them into the position to appear to be as guilty as He!! except themselves. Even on the minute off-chance that someday someone else might be found guilty of this crime, the R's still caused themselves every ounce of 'pain and suffering' which has been placed upon them by lies, omissions, and cover-ups.

Were they innocent of everything connected to the JBR case there would have been absolutely no need to cover-up anything or to have gone into such an immediate defensive mode of operation.

Everything they 'endured' they brought on themselves.

 

[robotdog]

the ramseys had to make this whole thing appear to be even more crazy
then you can imagine.

without all the craziness involved - they would be the prime suspects

what they didnt realize is all the things they did to make it look crazy
with all the things they couldnt remember

made them the prime suspects


they are crazy prime suspects :crazy:

 

[LI_Mom]

I don't remember if this link was posted before & the thread is way too long to reread.

This is such an interesting analysis of the whole RN. Here's just one small part:

http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

Statement Analysis: JonBenet Ramsey Ransom Note


In examining the pronouns, we find this crime was not committed by a group. If you are writing for a group, then your language will reflect there are several people involved. Throughout the ransom note, the writer uses the plural pronouns "we," "us" and "our" because the writer wants to give the impression that a group is responsible for the kidnapping. In lines #2 - #5 we find the statements, "We are a group of individuals." "We respect your business." "We have your daughter." In line #6 the writer states, "You must follow our instructions." In line #28, "Follow our instructions." However, in line #17 we have, "Any deviation of my instructions." If this was a group effort, the writer would have a group mentality and would consistently use the plural pronouns. Look at line #11 and line #14, "I will call you" vs "We might call you." People's words will betray them. The truth will slip out and in this case we can easily see it in the pronouns. We see deception in this ransom note with the changing pronouns. This kidnapping was not the work of a terrorist group. One person, probably a woman, wrote this ransom note. One person and perhaps an accomplice committed this crime.

 

[robotdog]

bullcrap


when PR saw the ramson letter on the floor

she would not know what it was, and since she would not know what it was
she would not have been real careful about picking it up. she would have to pick up 3 pages,

3 freakin pages of paper - she didnt just pick up ONE piece


and yet not a single print.......

patys "the glove" ramsey

is she related to michael the rapist jackson ??

such a load of bull crap :furious:

 

[robotdog]

"all the world is a stage"



especially when it benefits you

 

[BBB167893]

Well put.

 

[robotdog]

Well put.

i think patsy liked "the stage"


matter of fact she like "staging" things too :crazy:

 

[BBB167893]

i think patsy liked "the stage"


matter of fact she like "staging" things too :crazy:

Michael Kane said the same thing! Isn't that odd?

 

[robotdog]

Michael Kane said the same thing! Isn't that odd?

hi superdave,

who i michael Kane ?

 

[BBB167893]

He's a former prosecutor from Pennsylvania who Alex Hunter brought in to run the Grand Jury because neither he nor any of his regular staff had any real experience with them. Unlike them, he has a reputation for taking cases to trial and winning. He's tough and smart, and, DESPITE the juvenile ravings of some, he cannot, by ANY stretch of reasonable imagination be considered "overzealous." (Lin Wood has called him that, but quite frankly, that's the kind of garbage I expect from him and his supporters. The day someone like Michael Kane can be considered "overzealous," then may the gods help us ALL! Tricia, feel free to weigh in on this!) He knows the case probably better than anyone, and that's not just my opinion.

That help?