The Blood Droplets

[beesy]

Look I'm keeping score here, don't kid yourselves, so far goody and beesy have the most convincing arguments. They have scored more points in the way of blood evidence. Remember my posts about velocity. I know you know what it means. My pics of the crime scene are in MTJD. Could you draw a map like they showed on the site showing this cast off pattern. I read the site very thoughly.
I also saw where cast off is often obscured by additional bleeding by victims just what happened in this case. What are the size of these drops cause the site gave real specific measurements and I use a mm ruler everyday. The tiny spot on the back of Darlie's shirt looks like it could have been aspiration too. Was her back to him ? I am looking really hard at all the blood but really don't know how to make it tell it's story.

What do you mean, your pics? You took those photos? I can't draw a map. Why should I draw a map? Isn't that the joke when somebody is acting thick headed? Should I draw you a picture?
From MTJD, I see one was 1/16 of an inch and one was 3/8 of inch. I would have to check the trial transcripts to confirm that. This is the cast-off in Damon's blood I'm talking about. Why does it matter if you use a mm ruler everyday? You didn't measure this blood. That one teeny dot of Devon's is not an issue. Chris actually accuses LE of planting it! It wasn't even a focus at the trial so why would they plant it? I think they'd plant a bigger spot if they were going to plant anything. Of course spatter can be obscured. These weren't though. So why does that matter?
You are doing a great disservice to yourself if you are only looking at MTJD and the evidence listed on Darlie's site. Have you read any of the transcripts? Have you listened to the 911 tape? I haven't listened to it in awhile because I actually started feeling sick when I did :sick: I used to be able to quote it though. What about the autopsy reports? What you should do is check behind anything from MTJD or the evidence on the site. You will then understand what we mean when we say they use smoke and mirrors. They simply state something without qualifying it. They say "these fingerprints are unidentified" They do not say why they are though. They are smudged and cannot even be run through the data base. They leave that part out.

 

[deanws]

Hey beesy! Did you happen to catch the show Dr. Lee did on blood splatter evidence? It was really good. I just wish he would talk clearer!

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

I'm assuming the pics aren't to scale in the book. I said My pics came from MTJD.
I have a MM ruler in my hand my optical quality, stainless steel, certified to be accurate by the ABO. I'll translate - 1/16=1 1/2 mm.
3/8 = 9mm. The site uses mm to measure blood drops.

I don't have any transcripts and can only find some of them at the darlie web site.

Why do you think I keep asking questions about the stuff I don't have.

The aspiration could have also come from the lungs which wouldn't have salvia on it. I don't think the police planted anything. Contaminated -maybe. On purpose -no no no.

 

[Goody]

I'm assuming the pics aren't to scale in the book. I said My pics came from MTJD.
I have a MM ruler in my hand my optical quality, stainless steel, certified to be accurate by the ABO. I'll translate - 1/16=1 1/2 mm.

I don't have any transcripts and can only find some of them at the darlie web site.

Why do you think I keep asking questions about the stuff I don't have.

The aspiration could have also come from the lungs which wouldn't have salvia on it. I don't think the police planted anything. Contaminated -maybe. On purpose -no no no.

The pics in the book are not to scale. They are police photos taken with a small camera like any one of us might have. Nothing special about it. The only way to make a scale judgment would be if a ruler is included in the pics but I as I recall, it was not in this case. You might try emailing Bevel and asking him if he can tell you what the actual size of the drops were. However, it probably is in the transcript in his testimony.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

An aspiration has a hollow center...a spot where there is no blood. I think it is caused by air bubbles. Also, saliva would likely be mixed in it.

Were there cast off drops on the ceiling 90 degrees from the point where they surmised Darlie was when she stabbed Damon. THE SITE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE.
Is this in the trial testimony--- please send me a link .

 

[Goody]

The aspiration could have also come from the lungs which wouldn't have salvia on it. I don't think the police planted anything. Contaminated -maybe. On purpose -no no no.

What about air? It would take a gust of air to send the blood from the lungs into the air, wouldn't it? Air bubbles cause the actual donut hole in the blood droplet, as I recall.

 

[justice2]

Were there cast off drops on the ceiling 90 degrees from the point where they surmised Darlie was when she stabbed Damon. THE SITE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE.
Is this in the trial testimony--- please send me a link .

Shouldn't we take the ceiling height into question here. I'm assuming all the carpeted area had high ceiling (10' to 12'? or more) and the kitchen had regular ceiling (8'). Would have been able to tell from the pictures from when the house was up for sale but I'm not seeing them anymore.

Anybody know for sure.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

An aspiration has a hollow center...a spot where there is no blood. I think it is caused by air bubbles. Also, saliva would likely be mixed in it.

Where did you get the information that aspirations would leave a donut hole in the middle. I read every page of the site posted and they said about aspirations is under High velocity blood spots and they said they were tiny in nature. No mention of a hole in the center. Where can I find this additional infomation?

 

[Goody]

Where did you get the information that aspirations would leave a donut hole in the middle. I read every page of the site posted and they said about aspirations is under High velocity blood spots and they said they were tiny in nature. No mention of a hole in the center. Where can I find this additional infomation?

I think I picked it up in a Dr Lee case. I am a huge fan of his. Or it could have been something Ann Rule wrote about. (Been reading a couple of her books lately) She is very meticulous about her facts. No one is perfect but she does an excellent job of explaining evidence and what is going on with experts, etc. If you don't agree that air bubbles could cause a donut hole pattern in a droplet, I guess that is your perrogative, but it makes sense to me.

 

[Goody]

Were there cast off drops on the ceiling 90 degrees from the point where they surmised Darlie was when she stabbed Damon. THE SITE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE.
Is this in the trial testimony--- please send me a link .

I have wondered about that sometimes, too, but there is no mention of the ceilings anywhere that I can recall. One thing we should remember is that we are talking about cast off from a knife with the victims and assailant on the floor as opposed to being on a piece of furniture. It won't compare with cast off from say a baseball bat where the assailant is standing and striking a victim. At least not regarding the ceiling because the distances are so different. I wonder who cleaned that house for the lender that defaulted the loan and put it back on the market. That would be someone to ask outside of the bias of either side.

 

[beesy]

I'm assuming the pics aren't to scale in the book. I said My pics came from MTJD

You said " my pics are IN MTJD", not from.

I don't have any transcripts and can only find some of them at the darlie web site
Why do you think I keep asking questions about the stuff I don't have

I don't think any of us has hard copies of the transcripts. There is a complete copy of them as well as the 911 tape, other hearings, etc. here:
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/evidence.php TV shows, videos and other media can be found here:
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/media.php
So that is why we keep telling you to look them up. Why we keep suggesting to not just rely on Chris.

The aspiration could have also come from the lungs which wouldn't have salvia on it. I don't think the police planted anything. Contaminated -maybe. On purpose -no no no.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/novelist/092903_ctv.html
Must I do everything for you? All I did was a run search. Dr. Lee even calls them pinhead-sized dots. No, this does not prove Darlie is innocent. She could have very easily stood by Darin at some point when he was working on Devon. The one pinhead-sized dot on the back of her shirt is Devon's. This does not mean she was helping. Making sure he was dead, that's all. Since it is so small and is just one it could have gotten there when she leaned down to stab Damon. The cast-off is Damon's

 

[beesy]

Were there cast off drops on the ceiling 90 degrees from the point where they surmised Darlie was when she stabbed Damon. THE SITE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE.
Is this in the trial testimony--- please send me a link .

Do they tell you why there SHOULD be? High velocity is from a gun, not from swinging a knife. Go to the link on this thread.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Shouldn't we take the ceiling height into question here. I'm assuming all the carpeted area had high ceiling (10' to 12'? or more) and the kitchen had regular ceiling (8'). Would have been able to tell from the pictures from when the house was up for sale but I'm not seeing them anymore.

Anybody know for sure.

Ok lets say it was a high ceiling, the bloody knife still had to be raised high enough to splatter her back with cast off--- even if it didn't reach the ceiling, for lack of blood on the knife or heigth, how far up the wall did it go. Was it in this arcing pattern as descibed. Where the droplets 1mm -3mm in size. Was there spiny projctions where the blood hit the wall. Look at your photos in MTJD I can't seem to find a pic of it. Maybe Chris left it out on purpose.

 

[Goody]

Ok lets say it was a high ceiling, the bloody knife still had to be raised high enough to splatter her back with cast off--- even if it didn't reach the ceiling, for lack of blood on the knife or heigth, how far up the wall did it go. Was it in this arcing pattern as descibed. Where the droplets 1mm -3mm in size. Was there spiny projctions where the blood hit the wall. Look at your photos in MTJD I can't seem to find a pic of it. Maybe Chris left it out on purpose.

The cast off on the wall was near where Damon's body was. Devon was not near a wall. He was more in the center of the room so I don't think any walls would apply to cast off from him unless it was on the knife when the knife was used on Damon.

 

[justice2]

Ok lets say it was a high ceiling, the bloody knife still had to be raised high enough to splatter her back with cast off--- even if it didn't reach the ceiling, for lack of blood on the knife or heigth, how far up the wall did it go. Was it in this arcing pattern as descibed. Where the droplets 1mm -3mm in size. Was there spiny projctions where the blood hit the wall. Look at your photos in MTJD I can't seem to find a pic of it. Maybe Chris left it out on purpose.

I haven't study the blood evidence in detail yet; I'm still reading the trail transcripts and I haven't gotten MTJD yet, so I'm not qualified to answer all your questions.

Yes, there would have been arcing pattern for the blood spatters to get on her back; this would have come from the pivot point(s) of her elbow and her shoulder. Does this make sense? It's hard to do anything with your arms in a straight line.

I understand the tear drop shape that you get when a blood drop hits with a forward velocity but as far as other details not there yet.

 

[beesy]

Ok lets say it was a high ceiling, the bloody knife still had to be raised high enough to splatter her back with cast off--- even if it didn't reach the ceiling, for lack of blood on the knife or heigth, how far up the wall did it go. Was it in this arcing pattern as descibed. Where the droplets 1mm -3mm in size. Was there spiny projctions where the blood hit the wall. Look at your photos in MTJD I can't seem to find a pic of it. Maybe Chris left it out on purpose.

Maybe he did, I've never any pictures of it. cami knows more about the blood on the wall than I do. She'll be back soon so you can ask her about it then.

 

[Goody]

Maybe he did, I've never any pictures of it. cami knows more about the blood on the wall than I do. She'll be back soon so you can ask her about it then.

We should all pray for Cami's mom. She is very ill in the hospital. Doing better but not out of the woods yet.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Do they tell you why there SHOULD be? High velocity is from a gun, not from swinging a knife. Go to the link on this thread.

No it was the demonstration with the hand drawn map that showed a knife flinging blood up a wall on the ceiling . This is standing up but kneeling down would n't go as high I suppose.

Also found a pic of the living room and the ceiling. It is on justice for darlie site in the gallery4. It looks like a normal not vaulted ceiling.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

The cast off on the wall was near where Damon's body was. Devon was not near a wall. He was more in the center of the room so I don't think any walls would apply to cast off from him unless it was on the knife when the knife was used on Damon.

So there is a arc pattern on a wall. Damon's blood I'm assuming.

Is Devon's blood on Damon, when did Darlie remove all traces of Devon's blood on the knife. This is where I'm losing you


Devon
I imagine it would still occur cast off that is, but the drops would fall by gravity somewhere. It would give away the position of the killer too IMO. By going opposite of the direction they are found in. Knowing of course where the body is, the wounds, and the angles. If there are no cast of from Devon then we got another possible void here.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

We should all pray for Cami's mom. She is very ill in the hospital. Doing better but not out of the woods yet.

May God be with you at this time of need. Let his mercy and grace be upon you and your family. I ask for a healing for Cami's mom in the name of my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen
From the R. family to yours -peace be with you.