The Box From Hell (BFH) - #1

[Annasmom]

An excellent find! Considering that most of his driving was within SF city limits (home to work and back), these numbers do jump out as a major red flag. Also, considering that this traveling occurs when the "plan" was in its early formation, it is even more significant. Brody was not sick at this time (that we are aware of), so it couldn't be shuttling him to and from the Gearson Institute in San Diego. Very interesting!

We have questioned why, with several jobs and low-rent rooms, GW seemed to be in constant need of more money. He began trying to borrow large amounts from family and friends even before he left home. Could he have had a gambling problem nobody ever suspected? Trips to Reno and Las Vegas could put that kind of mileage on a car pretty quickly. However, you know what they say about Reno...I wish we knew a profiler.

 

[itsreenw]

We have questioned why, with several jobs and low-rent rooms, GW seemed to be in constant need of more money. He began trying to borrow large amounts from family and friends even before he left home. Could he have had a gambling problem nobody ever suspected? Trips to Reno and Las Vegas could put that kind of mileage on a car pretty quickly. However, you know what they say about Reno...I wish we knew a profiler.

Annasmom, did he gamble when you were together? I don't think he needed the money, I bet GB was hounding him to get money from every resource possible. I think stealing and adopting out Anna was just another of GB's greed inspired plans.

I think the mileage records may indicate miles traveled to meet prospective "parents" in the beginning stages of arranging Anna's preplanned abduction/adoption. GB may have demanded reimbursement for gas. (I think I recall seeing "Chevron" miles next to one of the entries).

I still think Annasbro recalling that license plate could mean there is some connection to WA. It's approx 800 miles from SF to Seattle WA. (I mapquested SF to Seattle just to get a general idea of mileage).

Were those miles on the car noted before or after GW lost his job?
He worked so much when did he have time to drive??

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Is there an online copy of GW's notebook? I can't seem to find the info, and if there is somewhere that any paperwork is published for us to peruse, may I see it?

 

[Annasmom]

Is there an online copy of GW's notebook? I can't seem to find the info, and if there is somewhere that any paperwork is published for us to peruse, may I see it?

SherlockJr posted all the pages from the notebook as "Squibb", several days at a time. I think they appear earlier in this thread, as do scans of other paperwork. (The notebook was in a free drug company calendar.)

 

[Annasmom]

Annasmom, did he gamble when you were together? I don't think he needed the money, I bet GB was hounding him to get money from every resource possible. I think stealing and adopting out Anna was just another of GB's greed inspired plans.

I think the mileage records may indicate miles traveled to meet prospective "parents" in the beginning stages of arranging Anna's preplanned abduction/adoption. GB may have demanded reimbursement for gas. (I think I recall seeing "Chevron" miles next to one of the entries).

I still think Annasbro recalling that license plate could mean there is some connection to WA. It's approx 800 miles from SF to Seattle WA. (I mapquested SF to Seattle just to get a general idea of mileage).

Were those miles on the car noted before or after GW lost his job?
He worked so much when did he have time to drive??

The mileage records were kept while he was still working. No, I never knew him to gamble, but he was a different person after he came under Brody's influence.

 

[Annasmom]

Is there an online copy of GW's notebook? I can't seem to find the info, and if there is somewhere that any paperwork is published for us to peruse, may I see it?

Here are the post numbers for the notebook. They are all in this thread.
Nos. 88, 94, 107, 109, 117, 122, 136, 137, 140, 142, and 143.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Thank you Annasmom! The post list is 'above and beyond'! I really appreciate that, since I am playing catch-up, and reading ALOT of posts, lol...I will do my homework now...thank you

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Now that I 'think' I have caught up here, A big question for Annasmom, after reviewing this info...Did you ever simply run a credit check on GW's SS#, and wait for the written report to be mailed to you? If you haven't yet done so, you need to start there. Use the 3 major credit listers, and run him through them all. He is deceased, and was your husband, it is legal, and you have a right to know. This can list possible debtors, and possible insurance companies, even car loans, etc, that you may not know about...and it just might have a company name or info that relates to Brody.

I have a few more red flags to peruse, then I will post whatever I think may be pertinent.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

ps..if his(GW) SS# is at somepoint available to us to use, for research purposes only of course, please let me know, I will research many many records for you.

 

[Annasmom]

ps..if his(GW) SS# is at somepoint available to us to use, for research purposes only of course, please let me know, I will research many many records for you.

I was just about to write you to ask how I would go about getting a credit report, since I've never done this. I see many "free" offers on line, but I don't really think this is the way to go. I'll PM the SS number to you.

 

[smile22]

I was just about to write you to ask how I would go about getting a credit report, since I've never done this. I see many "free" offers on line, but I don't really think this is the way to go. I'll PM the SS number to you.

i went to get my credit report for the first time a few years ago when i found out someone was using my ss number to gain credit. it listed the credit report in my name for two agenceys the third one came back in her name. which i had to dispute along with the credit card she had. the report will list how long you have been on their files. any other names u have gone by last possible job you had reported to them. currant or former addresses, phone numbers and partial ss numbers. any any kind of loans or credit cards you may have had

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Today I emailed someone that has alot of information and 'power' as it were in records dating back forever in Mass. I have pushed the envelope so to speak to verify Brody, and he is not in existence, by name or date or place. Thus I asked for some help from the powers that be, hoping possibly this person may be able to find our man, and his true identity. Will keep you all posted, but I may send Brody's pic and handwriting to this person, if I am allowed to by Annasmom. ANY THING that relates to Brody will be helpful at this point.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

After reviewing the squibb pics of the notebook, I found that these two were most definitely up to something as early as 1970. On squibb 31-E, it says 'notify G w/ Yawn

and it notes that the car was idling 3-4 hours on 9/20/70(thus he used 19.4 miles of gas)
What were they doing? A practice run on something sinister?

That notify with a yawn really speaks volumnes, that they were subverted in their actions, even if it was something other than to do with Anna. This means to me, that in fact, G.W. was doing the bidding of GB, willing or not, or sane or not, he was still agreeable to some sort of secretive behavior.

 

[Annasmom]

Today I emailed someone that has alot of information and 'power' as it were in records dating back forever in Mass. I have pushed the envelope so to speak to verify Brody, and he is not in existence, by name or date or place. Thus I asked for some help from the powers that be, hoping possibly this person may be able to find our man, and his true identity. Will keep you all posted, but I may send Brody's pic and handwriting to this person, if I am allowed to by Annasmom. ANY THING that relates to Brody will be helpful at this point.

Please feel free to send anything you think might be helpful. I was even thinking of posting GB's picture and an "in memorium" in the newspaper, but somehow it just seems too underhanded.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Along the lines of "in memorium", I was brainstorming, and that led me to the idea of placing his photo in the "lost' section of the San Francisco chronicle. With a post under it, that this man's true identity was lost in his untimely death, and if anyone knows who he was, to contact you. It would be interesting, since the older SF community tends to read the hardcopy paper cover to cover. maybe there is a better section to post it in, but I don't have any idea where...maybe someone else has an idea?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

....
and it notes that the car was idling 3-4 hours on 9/20/70(thus he used 19.4 miles of gas)
What were they doing? A practice run on something sinister? ....

On that page, he was figuring out how many miles per gallon he was getting for mileage, with notations of where he got the gas. I think he put he idled 3-4 hours to reference why he used more gas for less miles...but I too find it strange that he would idle that long....(unless he was watching someone?) NOW, If it was January in Nebraska, I would say he was just warming up the car !

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Along the lines of "in memorium", I was brainstorming, and that led me to the idea of placing his photo in the "lost' section of the San Francisco chronicle. With a post under it, that this man's true identity was lost in his untimely death, and if anyone knows who he was, to contact you. It would be interesting, since the older SF community tends to read the hardcopy paper cover to cover. maybe there is a better section to post it in, but I don't have any idea where...maybe someone else has an idea?

Annasmom
I think the money, (in the safe deposit box) should some how be casually mentioned...(but not the name George Brody). Even if all that was written is what InH said in bold, and that he has left a substantial amount of money for his next of kin. This might entice a relative who would have otherwise wished to remain anonymous come forward. We all know the love of money is the root of all evil...that would certainly bring out a few relatives?

Now wether any one who came forward could collect the money would be up to the state of California. I know that is underhanded and tricky...but darn it, this man stole your husband and probably your daughter, the guilt needs to fade QUICKLY.

ETA: Also, if you place a contact number in the newspaper for this idea, maybe it should be that of a big strong detective or LE officer...just in case. I wouldn't give out your name or personal number. (I'm sure you wouldn't) but just saying the obvious... Safety First!

 

[smile22]

Along the lines of "in memorium", I was brainstorming, and that led me to the idea of placing his photo in the "lost' section of the San Francisco chronicle. With a post under it, that this man's true identity was lost in his untimely death, and if anyone knows who he was, to contact you. It would be interesting, since the older SF community tends to read the hardcopy paper cover to cover. maybe there is a better section to post it in, but I don't have any idea where...maybe someone else has an idea?

maybe set up a phone number like a pre paid cell phone with a voice mail? like you have reached this number if u are calling about the ad in the paper please leave a message with name and number i can get back to you on i was thinking maybe set up an email addy, but if it is someone much older they might not have access to a computer or email. i know i have a post on a genological website but only got one posting from an alyssa brody who said she had a grandpa with that name but further reading the posting plus looking at the pictures she determined that was not her grandpa

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

X X X X X T H I S H O U S E H O L D

Capen, Ronald L He WAS BORN IN 1942 OR 1943
Stull, Sigrid She WAS BORN IN 1947 OR 1948

MARRIED ON 12/17/1967, AND IN 1967 RESIDED NEAR:

San Francisco, San Francisco County, CA, USA, 94101

itsreen, did you ever check out the Sigrid's you found? This one is interesting. I'll try to keep their privacy somewhat since it appears they are both living. I can say they did have a son born in 1970 in SF, (so they would not be a childless couple). At the time the note was written by GW in regards to Sigrid, (July 1971) they where in the process of moving to CO. Prior to that he was working for his PHD (molecular Biology) at Berkeley...he apparently is brilliant, and has received MANY awards for science. They divorced SOON after their move to CO. He remarried quickly and had a daughter in 73. She never remarried, (it appears) and they all live very close to each other. If anyone is interested in more info PM me.

 

[Annasmom]

Annasmom
I think the money, (in the safe deposit box) should some how be casually mentioned...(but not the name George Brody). Even if all that was written is what InH said in bold, and that he has left a substantial amount of money for his next of kin. This might entice a relative who would have otherwise wished to remain anonymous come forward. We all know the love of money is the root of all evil...that would certainly bring out a few relatives?

ETA: Also, if you place a contact number in the newspaper for this idea, maybe it should be that of a big strong detective or LE officer...just in case. I wouldn't give out your name or personal number. (I'm sure you wouldn't) but just saying the obvious... Safety First!

I was thinking that a notice in the obituary section would be less expensive than trying to run an ad in the paper, but it turns out to cost a heck of a lot just to run an "In Memoriam" with a picture (I just checked). I think this should be high on the list of things to do with proceeds from the book. You all have overcome my scruples about doing this, so I'll plan to do it. Thank you for being concerned about my safety!