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Prince William and Prince Harry's relationship has been 'forever changed' | Daily Mail Online


Meghan Markle's wardrobe was 'revenge dressing masterclass' | Daily Mail Online

“Vanity Fair told how these carefully constructed outfits were designed to show the Royal Family 'what they'll be missing' once Meghan and Harry, 35, give up their royal titles and step back from their duties at the end of the month.

The article reads: 'Over the past few days, Meghan’s spate of bright, body-hugging, almost-achingly glamorous looks during her and Harry’s proverbial “farewell tour” are a master class in revenge dressing—except instead of an ex-boyfriend, the entity that should be sad to lose her is the British monarchy.'

Except most of the British aren’t sad to lose her.
 
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Oregonmama said:
Agree to disagree BUT the RF bent over backwards for M. IMO, M got everything a girl can dream of ( a man she loves, a elegant wedding, her FIL walking her down the aisle, funds from the RF, great clothing allowance, a nice new home) M's problem is she doesn't fully understand the old traditions and when someone enters that life with a narrow and modern mind then there will be trouble. Yes, the media played their part but not the whole part. Comparing royals against each other doesn't help either but things are finally catching up to M in re to her behavior and she needs to take responsibility as well for the current mess. She had options but she thought love would conquer it all, but it doesn't in reality. MOO
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The way I see it is this. It doesn't matter if your new "Family" is supportive of the life altering processes you have to go through. What matters is the constant barrage of criticism from complete strangers bolstered by the innate racism of a press that still can't manage to wrap it's head around the RF being 'invaded'. I liken Meghan to school kids who for no reason in particular are targeted by faceless, nameless bullies: at school, online, everywhere. It's got to take a toll on your mental health. There's two ways to leave that type of cruelty and she took the saner way out.
 
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Luna20 said:
Meghan Markle, Prince Harry 'crushed' after 'unnecessarily cruel' Megxit, expert says

Cruel??! They are so out of touch with reality. The Queen has extended a sincere and supportive welcome back to them despite all they have done, and cruel is what they have to say in response to??!

Wearing hosiery, surviving & not thriving, media mania, no hugs and now add cruel to the harsh list of conditions they have had to endure.

The Queen isn’t throwing a public tantrum about not seeing Archie.

ETA: their allowance suffered no cutbacks. And that is cruel?
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Everyone's definition of cruelty is different. MM and H? Not receiving everything they want. Now.
 
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branmuffin said:
The way I see it is this. It doesn't matter if your new "Family" is supportive of the life altering processes you have to go through. What matters is the constant barrage of criticism from complete strangers bolstered by the innate racism of a press that still can't manage to wrap it's head around the RF being 'invaded'. I liken Meghan to school kids who for no reason in particular are targeted by faceless, nameless bullies: at school, online, everywhere. It's got to take a toll on your mental health. There's two ways to leave that type of cruelty and she took the saner way out.
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Any human will get trolls critiquing their life. The LA world suffers from ppls opinions all the time and M was an actress for a low rated show. M knew what she was coming into but she wants to change the world, which comes to the point I said earlier, no one can change the Monarchy and M wanted the spotlight to it. Her goals were obvious and she failed. But they really need to stop blaming the RF for their departure. They chose to be defiant and whine. its easier to blame others and not yourself. MOO
 
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astheworldfallsdown said:
Oh dear, I hope her and her family will be alright.
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I think all of the royals are going to come down with it. I've been cringing for over a week at all of the handshaking and kissing going on.
 
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Oregonmama said:
What BS, JMO

He said the duke and duchess believed their exit from royal life 'wasn't necessary', but felt forced into it - especially after they were left to 'fend for themselves' during Meghan's pregnancy.
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Gotta say I lol'd at that part.
 
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branmuffin said:
I doubt members of the royal family have ever been called mongrels like Meghan has. I've read that descriptor of Meghan on many comment sections of American newspapers and The Daily Mail.

There's always a learning curve when members of the royal family hit a rough patch. The RF have had so many centuries of protocol it's leached into their DNA. From the time they wear their short pants and Fair Isle sweaters they know they are different. Even now, Andrew seems to think he's above the fray, when it comes to his dalliances with young women and his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

But God forbid, when Meghan who is bi-racial has messy hair (translation: frizzy) she is excoriated by the public. And if she wears a dress that accentuates her figure, she's lambasted as "Kardashian-esque (translation: trashy).

Here's examples of the hypocrisy of the press comparing identical situations regarding Kate and Meghan.
15 Headlines Show How Differently The British Press Treat Meghan Markle Vs Kate Middleton
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Ex No. 1: Kate cradles her, very large, "bump" on one occasion. MM on 5. (I've seen many additional examples of it.) Note, Kate has had THREE children. MM one. So, yes, I have the same question. The disproportionate "cradling" of the bump. Why?

Ex No. 2: MM strikes a casual pose with hands in pockets "during a royal engagement". HM, as a nonegenarian, poses for a fun photos, something she has wanted to do for....... a long time. So, just once, after decades of following strict royal protocol, the Queen does a fun photoshoot. Yes, these are entirely the same thing. Okay. (And, wasn't this headline about how the press treated MM and KATE differently 15 times??? Seems like they didn't quite make it to 15, so threw something totally unrelated in there.)

Ex. No. 3: Prince William is given an avocado "wrapped in a bow by a little boy who's mother is suffering during her pregnancy, too" and he accepted the gift and made a nice comment to them. Yes, this sort of seems like the thing gracious people do, which is very different than MM making endless comments and harangues and talks about how we, the great unwashed, are harming the planet, whilst instagramming herself dining on some of the very things causing such.

Ex. No. 4: MM's flowers may have put Princess Charlotte's life at risk. Uh, there are Lilies of the Valley on the little girl's HEAD. Kate had them in her bouquet at her wedding, and her flower girls' headpieces didn't contain them.

Ex. No. 5: Sort of obvious here that Kate was asking for these things to be available to guests, whereas MM wanted staff to "go aroundn with atomizers and spray the chapel with scent because it was musty. Staff was very polite. I must say, that there are many, many sources and stories that portray MM as more "demanding" things. Maybe it's all false, and Kate is the one who "demands" things. Doesn't seem like it, though.

Ex. no. 6: Self explanatory. Pretty much all royal women pay attention to their physical presentation, from makeup to figure to sartorial choices, and it's certainly all of them who receive press about it, both positive and negative. The article in question; however, was more about MM's editing of Vogue, which the author was pointing out, exemplifies the transience of cultural trends.

It's a ridiculous comparison of headlines, though, as Kate has received negatives ones herself about her appearance. There are many taking her to task for being too thin, for starving herself, etc. So, yes, I suppose you could take one article from over a decade of being in the public eye, and compare it to a cherry-picked article about MM. However, MM has received many adoring headlines about her style and fashion sense over the years. And: Sarah Vine, the author of BOTH of these headlines, has certainly also authored some unflattering ones about Kate.

Ex. No. 7: Most royals do this, so that others don't take control of their images, etc. Prince Harry did it, too, years ago. No one said anything. Then along came MM and H, who trademarked over 100 items, six months before splitting with the monarchy. It seems to be part of their plans to become "financially independent". These are different things, and the comparison of the headlines, without putting them into context, is misleading. (Which is, obviously, the intent.)

Ex. No. 8: So William and Kate will spend their "second" Christmas with the Middletons in..... how many years? The first time was in 2011, so it would seem they usually spend it at Sandringham. In addition, they always join the BRF during the Christmas season. MM and H decided to spend this last Christmas away from the BRF, after many reports of feuds and complaining in a documentary about how awful things are for them (incidentally, filmed during a trip to an area with some of the most under-privileged people in the world, and also during Kate and William's own tour.)

Of course, nowhere in the comparison of these two headlines is the context, including the fact that while Kate wasn't invited to Sandringham during her engagement, MM WAS. Yes, protocol was broken for MM, but that gets in the way of the narrative, doesn't it?

Ex. No. 9: I think the key here is the very true phrase, which sets the context: "MM and PH have bucked royal tradition once again...". Yes, the article isn't really about the "stiff upper lip", but about MM and PH continuously bucking royal tradition. Something they've sort of let us all know that they're proud of -they're "modernizing the monarchy", after all.

The first article is about PW's support for his brother, taking the form of him supporting Harry's discussing his mental health. PW is a classy guy. He graciously receives gifts, and supports his brother, even if it means bucking protocol. As much as I don't like the royals, I have to grudgingly admit that PW is a classy person.

Ex. No. 10: How are these two articles related? The first deals with the difficulty in dressing in the presence of the Queen. Kate seems to think that you do so by not trying to upstage her. She coordinates a bit, but lets the Queen shine.

The second article is about how MM missed a cue (she was actually told something about what to wear!) meant to help her know how to dress. Although she missed the cue, the Queen seems to be particularly kind and friendly to her -they are shown laughing together, very at ease.

Ex. No. 11: Well, the article about MM is actually flattering -it says that it's not technically "against the rules" to wear the wedges, but that she looked great in them. If we really want to play this game, though, let's do it. There are articles that mention Kate "breaking protocol" while wearing wedges (one in at msn.com in Nov. of 2019), but again -why report things which don't support your narrative?

Ex. No. 12: Let's see: The Queens MISSES prince Louis' christening because of health and the MailOnline says this, while also saying that Kate "gazes lovingly at sleeping PL". So what? The MailOnline also mentions that the Queen won't attend Archie's christening, and mentions the reason in the headline. Well, again, the "bucking tradition" thing again. They made plans without first establishing the diary of other BRF members. Actually, the article is positive about this, but there is a HUGE difference between Kate and William and MM and H. Kate and William are generally protocol followers; MM and H "breakers". So yes, headlines will reflect. You all like that, right???

Ex. No. 13: Okay, here we have the avocado story again. I guess it's really hard to come up with the total unfair, awful, treatment of MM and H at the hands of the press, so let's just repeat things one doesn't like. Even if they don't make sense. (See. Example No. 3.)

Ex. No. 14: Ditto Ex. No. 13. And. Ex. No. 1. Kate's been pregnant three times, folks. MM one. Kate's been seen cradling her "bump" a handful of times, whilst MM seems to, yes, constantly do it, and very obviously. I think it's safe to say, many mothers-to-be, cradle their baby bumps, but for MM it seemed to start just after Eugenie's wedding, where she wore the top two buttons of her coat closed, but the rest (over her abdomen!) open, and continued and continued, and continued. Pretty much, I'm sure, until she gave birth. At least when there was a camera in the vicinity!

Ex. No. 15: See Ex. No. 4.
 
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branmuffin said:
The way I see it is this. It doesn't matter if your new "Family" is supportive of the life altering processes you have to go through. What matters is the constant barrage of criticism from complete strangers bolstered by the innate racism of a press that still can't manage to wrap it's head around the RF being 'invaded'. I liken Meghan to school kids who for no reason in particular are targeted by faceless, nameless bullies: at school, online, everywhere. It's got to take a toll on your mental health. There's two ways to leave that type of cruelty and she took the saner way out.
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Her mental health issues have nothing to do with the reason you addressed, IMO. Quite frankly, there have been many articles that the British ppl are getting tired of being called out for the sole blame.

M's downfall is expecting 100% positive opinions re her. Life does not work that way. We all have flaws. She also shouldn't have asked her "friends" to call in favors to change an opinion about herself in articles.
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branmuffin said:
The way I see it is this. It doesn't matter if your new "Family" is supportive of the life altering processes you have to go through. What matters is the constant barrage of criticism from complete strangers bolstered by the innate racism of a press that still can't manage to wrap it's head around the RF being 'invaded'. I liken Meghan to school kids who for no reason in particular are targeted by faceless, nameless bullies: at school, online, everywhere. It's got to take a toll on your mental health. There's two ways to leave that type of cruelty and she took the saner way out.
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We've already had many discussions on these British Royal Family threads comparing how MM has been treated verses other women who have married into the Royal Family. MM has not been treated worse than any of the others. The British press (not to be confused with the British public) is cruel and loves to tell sensational stories. MM was aware of that before she got married, but somehow she thought they would give her special treatment.
She didn't just marry into a new family, she married into a new social class and a new culture. She was overwhelmed and didn't want to make the effort. 1 year isn't enough.
 
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Sherwood Park said:
We've already had many discussions on these British Royal Family threads comparing how MM has been treated verses other women who have married into the Royal Family. MM has not been treated worse than any of the others. The British press (not to be confused with the British public) is cruel and loves to tell sensational stories. MM was aware of that before she got married, but somehow she thought they would give her special treatment.
She didn't just marry into a new family, she married into a new social class and a new culture. She was overwhelmed and didn't want to make the effort. 1 year isn't enough.
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As you know SP, we cordially agree to disagree in the opinion stakes!

But thanks for differentiating between British public and press. I actually find it offensive to be associated with most, other than the Beeb.
 
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Oregonmama said:
What BS, JMO

He said the duke and duchess believed their exit from royal life 'wasn't necessary', but felt forced into it - especially after they were left to 'fend for themselves' during Meghan's pregnancy.
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I am at a loss to know what that means.
What help does someone need during a healthy pregnancy other than information from one's mother and friends who have had children? She has every other resource available over and above what the average mother has. That puzzled me, what did they feel the lack of?
 
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