The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #10

[Simply Southern]

I agree with you I don’t think of the Duchess of Sussex as an ambassador for the United States and don’t understand why anyone would think that she is.

I apologize, I certainly do not think she is an ambassador for the United States. I wanted to convey her views and actions are certainly do not represent the views of many American women.

It was so embarrassing and offensive her choice of words .... stiff upper lip.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Don't anyone apologise for anything! Although Meghan may not be an ambassador for America, if she'd played her cards right she could have been both nations sweetheart.

Personally, I'm ashamed of how the British press have treated her - hardly a warm welcome to our country.

 

[enelram]

Could MM's influence be the reason PH is falling apart?

And could MM's influence have anything to do with his rift with his brother William> Was she
behind the scenes directing this fracture?
MM does not have a good track record with family relationships.
Her entry into the royal family has been similar
to her personal rocky road within her birth family. She has no relationship with her father's side and hardly anything on her mother's side. See the wedding guest list.
Why would people think she'd suddenly have
warm fuzzies for cultivating strong family relationships? Her family history is wrought
with fractured relationships.
Perhaps H and M are facing the reality that
marriage doesn't "fix" personal problems.
Two people coming into a marriage must be
whole individuals willing to blend and with strength form a stronger bond than individually. Both M and H seemed to come together hoping the other would complete them without the work of resolving personal
issues. Instead you've got 2 people who are now grappling with separate issues that will
eventually tear them apart. It just won't work.
Reality has set in and day to day life is a struggle. And the emotional repairs need to be
undertaken with professionals out of the media
scrutiny or this marriage will self-destruct in
full view of the media. This could be the beginning of the end for them otherwise.

 

[Mrs Marple]

I'm not sure that Harry saying he and William are on different paths is confirmation of a rift. They ARE on different paths.

I wonder if MM has pulled H away from them though with her neediness.

I can't see this marriage lasting, imo.

 

[maggieg]

I'm not sure that Harry saying he and William are on different paths is confirmation of a rift. They ARE on different paths.

Its the other stuff he said as part of the different paths part that confirm the rift

‘Part of this role, part of this job and this family being under the pressure it is under, inevitably stuff happens. But look, we are brothers, we will always be brothers. We are certainly on different paths at the moment but I will always be there for him and, as I know, he will always be there for me. We don’t see as much as we used to because we are so busy but I love him dearly and the majority of stuff is created out of nothing. As brothers, you have good days, you have bad days.’

 

[Gardenista]

And could MM's influence have anything to do with his rift with his brother William> Was she
behind the scenes directing this fracture?
MM does not have a good track record with family relationships.
Her entry into the royal family has been similar
to her personal rocky road within her birth family. She has no relationship with her father's side and hardly anything on her mother's side. See the wedding guest list.
Why would people think she'd suddenly have
warm fuzzies for cultivating strong family relationships? Her family history is wrought
with fractured relationships.
Perhaps H and M are facing the reality that
marriage doesn't "fix" personal problems.
Two people coming into a marriage must be
whole individuals willing to blend and with strength form a stronger bond than individually. Both M and H seemed to come together hoping the other would complete them without the work of resolving personal
issues. Instead you've got 2 people who are now grappling with separate issues that will
eventually tear them apart. It just won't work.
Reality has set in and day to day life is a struggle. And the emotional repairs need to be
undertaken with professionals out of the media
scrutiny or this marriage will self-destruct in
full view of the media. This could be the beginning of the end for them otherwise.

This is brilliant. I think you nailed it.

 

[enelram]

I'm not sure that Harry saying he and William are on different paths is confirmation of a rift. They ARE on different paths.

I wonder if MM has pulled H away from them though with her neediness.

I can't see this marriage lasting, imo.

me either.
Some people can NOT handle intimacy. They
are uncomfortable being in a tight close relationship whether it be a partner or family
relationships. Their comfort level is to create distance. Not close and intimate. I suspect this is MM. Has she ever maintained a close
intimate partnership for any length of time?
Her previous marriage was short-lived.
Because of Harry's abrupt loss of his mother,
he may have unresolved issues with women and
fears of abandonment. I suspect he is emotionally needy and may want more intimacy and closeness than M is comfortable
with.
Regardless, this couple should not blame the
media on their personal problems. It's convenient though. But all the media does is
put them under a microscope and magnify their personal issues. But their issues were
always there. For MM to complain that her
unhappiness with the Royal Family is really
just shining a light on her problems with close
family, in general. She's an outlier and wants
to remain an outlier. She's just pretended that
she was joining the RF, and now that she's
married to a Royal and has the anchor baby,
she got her social/financial security. I don't predict any more babies for her and H.
At first I didn't understand the nickname for
her, MEghan, but now I do. It's all about HER.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I apologize, I certainly do not think she is an ambassador for the United States. I wanted to convey her views and actions are certainly do not represent the views of many American women.

It was so embarrassing and offensive her choice of words .... stiff upper lip.

I agree with you, Simply Southern. Many American women, traditional women, many feminists from the second wave (ERA) movement are actually quite old fashioned at heart. What does that mean? At the very least a modicum of respect for one’s elders, for tradition, history, and in this case another nation who welcomed Meghan with open arms.

While Meghan is not a representative like a chosen ambassador is, her marriage to Harry is unique in that it brought a certain excitement to two nations. And the affection for the U.K. runs deep in the USA.

The cringe factor for me is in the ignorance with a statement like ‘stiff upper lip is probably internally destructive...’ What?

And more precisely what was she thinking?

So many American women would never ever say such a thing. It goes to the basics, and so, yes, I totally agree, she does not represent the views of so many women.

It’s disconcerting and disappointing. And, while that’s true I know I feel like she does not deserve the avalanche of press heaped upon her because it’s not really fair to mythologize, elevate, or demonize one gal this way.

She does not have that much power.

And, that comes through in her words in the documentary.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

I agree with you, Simply Southern. Many American women, traditional women, many feminists from the second wave (ERA) movement are actually quite old fashioned at heart. What does that mean? At the very least a modicum of respect for one’s elders, for tradition, history, and in this case another nation who welcomed Meghan with open arms.

While Meghan is not a representative like a chosen ambassador is, her marriage to Harry is unique in that it brought a certain excitement to two nations. And the affection for the U.K. runs deep in the USA.

The cringe factor for me is in the ignorance with a statement like ‘stiff upper lip is probably internally destructive...’ What?

And more precisely what was she thinking?

So many American women would never ever say such a thing. It goes to the basics, and so, yes, I totally agree, she does not represent the views of so many women.

It’s disconcerting and disappointing. And, while that’s true I know I feel like she does not deserve the avalanche of press heaped upon her because it’s not really fair to mythologize, elevate, or demonize one gal this way.

She does not have that much power.

And, that comes through in her words in the documentary.

Excellent post, I completely agree with what you say. American women sound very similar to the vast majority of British women I know. Traditional women with values who just want to get on with doing our jobs and taking care of our families or whatever else it is that we do. The liberal, radical feminists seem (IMO) to only exist on social media. If it helps, Brits also have a deep affection for Americans. Our relationship, like the Royal Family, is much bigger than the Sussexes and it will far outlive them.

I agree that the press have behaved less than admirably at times but (and I know I keep repeating this but it is important!) this is not unique to Meghan. It was only a few weeks ago that Gareth Thomas (our only openly gay professional rugby player, and I believe friend of Harry and William) was forced to publicly reveal his HIV status because a certain newspaper that won't be named, snooped his medical records and bribed him with telling his parents. He dealt with it like an absolute superhero. I can't believe for a second that the Royals do not have some strategy in place to train new recruits in handling the media. I think H and M have been given all of the advice but they have ploughed on doing things "their way" and they are now faced with the stark reality that their way has backfired spectacularly. Things are done a certain way and the reason for that is because it works. Mike Tindall has had his fair share with the press also.

Unfortunately, I feel like this interview may be their Panorama moment. I have felt sympathy towards Meghan and I connect with her in some ways as a struggling new mum, but sadly I feel a bit less sympathy for her today than I did yesterday. IMO this documentary is ill-advised and I think they will come to regret it.

 

[enelram]

^^^rosemadderlake, you bring up some good points especially the "respect one's elders".
Imagine marrying into a family and then proceed to criticize you husband's grandmother
and father and his whole family's style of dealing with things. That's essentially what MM
is doing publicly.
Even if you're accustomed to handling things differently you zip your lips out of respect and
go hmmmm, ok. You don't out them publicly.
She's burning the bridges behind them.
Maybe she doesn't care at this point. Maybe
she wants her marriage to be cut out of the
RF. If so she is being successful. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the RF.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

It makes me so sad to see what has happened to William and Harry. Whether Harry has confirmed it or not, there is clearly a rift between them. I have two sons and I try to teach them how special their bond is. Sibling bonds are irreplaceable and should be protected for life. If a partner comes between that, I think it is probably the first clue that said partner may not be the one for you. I know it would break my heart for my boys to end up at odds.

I used to love seeing the dynamic between Harry and Catherine. They obviously have deep affection for each other. In many ways she was probably like the big sister he never had and many times, long before Meghan, I did find myself wondering if he might not be a little bit taken with her (I'm not trying to start a rumour, this is of course light hearted speculation on my part!) They were wonderful together and they always looked so happy. What a sad situation for everyone involved.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

Look at them together, such a deep and loving friendship. Whatever is going on, I do hope that Harry and Catherine are still on good terms because above all, what he most likely needs more than anything right now is a really good friend.

22 Times Kate Middleton and Prince Harry Got a Kick Out of Each Other

 

[Amonet]

It might be a Panorama moment, but can it really be as bad as It's A Royal Knockout?

 

[AllyBeeUK]

It might be a Panorama moment, but can it really be as bad as It's A Royal Knockout?

Oh I don't know, at least that moment they would rather forget raised some money for charity

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It might be a Panorama moment, but can it really be as bad as It's A Royal Knockout?

Showing your age, dear!!
(and mine)

This was the 1990's attempt at modernising the monarchy

Was this the day when royalty lost the plot?

 

[rosemadderlake]

Oh, I think the BRF must be appropriately horrified.

I do think the direction H&M are taking will not bode well with the public either.

The BRF are not celebrities. Only Diana set the world on fire in a crossover way and interestingly enough People Magazine formed in 1980.

Celebrity is both famous and infamous. It’s a double edged sword.

Prince Charles and Camilla have been raked over the coals for decades. They are not popular with a lot of people, and then again they have managed to weather the storm and have been very impressive to a lot of people as well.

As others have observed Kate got raked over the coals. But she handled it in a very centered and grounded way. Now, everyone loves her.

Perhaps some of the differences that Meghan should consider is the BRF doesn’t need to track the tabloids in the way a celibrity might. This documentary debacle is going to bring Meghan’s unsavory relatives out of the woodwork... imo.

I hope Harry can center himself. It would be a big mistake to leave his family right now, imo. But, they need to make a choice, if they are totally into the drama maybe leave and create their own world, if not dial it down, way down, and ride out the storm, regroup, raise a family, and be a royal in the U.K.

All jmo.

 

[enelram]

AllyBeeUK, I agree that much of their behavior
is ill-advised.
So surely H and M have declined to take the
advice of others more experienced in royal matters.
As you've pointed out besides PR people the royals have years and years of dealing with their
public.
PH is like the guy in the middle of a family dispute- on one side is his birth relatives and the other side is his new wife pulling him in a totally different direction. If he has half a brain
he must be seeing some of this or maybe he's
too close to the situation to realize what's going
on. I do believe he's being manipulated and it's not in a good way. Such a shame.

 

[Oregonmama]

Oprah….smh. Don't mean to offend anyone here but she is not a good choice to team up with. Mental health platform is a much needed awareness globally but this will end in disaster when both parties team up. I really hope their would be more of dating relationship for H and M but they chose their path . They both have so many issues that need to be worked on before they formed an union.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Prince William is concerned for his brother Harry and his wife Meghan after the couple said they were struggling, a Palace source has told the BBC.

The Palace source added that there was a view the couple were "in a fragile place".

William 'worried' about Harry after interview

 

[AllyBeeUK]

AllyBeeUK, I agree that much of their behavior
is ill-advised.
So surely H and M have declined to take the
advice of others more experienced in royal matters.
As you've pointed out besides PR people the royals have years and years of dealing with their
public.
PH is like the guy in the middle of a family dispute- on one side is his birth relatives and the other side is his new wife pulling him in a totally different direction. If he has half a brain
he must be seeing some of this or maybe he's
too close to the situation to realize what's going
on. I do believe he's being manipulated and it's not in a good way. Such a shame.

BBM: I feel as though this is exactly what it is. I have experienced this with two of my siblings and I can see the parallels. All you can really do in this situation is let it play out and be prepared to pick up the pieces when it goes wrong, resisting the urge to tell them I told you so!

It's odd because now I have watched this I feel so differently. I've never disliked Meghan and I've always defended her. It's been Harry that I am not keen on but I've completely changed my mind. Harry is obviously struggling, I feel like he really needs help and I hope he gets it. It might just be me but I'm really not sure this relationship is helping. I feel awful for saying that because I have no wish to see them unhappy or divorced.