The British Royal Family

[Amonet]

Really? Sounds good on paper, but how do they make tht work when everyone has a phone with camera nowadays...

I think you're right, it does sound good on paper. I think anyone should have a right to walk around without paps following them to the point of harassment.

An individual with a phone camera first has to recognise the famous person, and then unless they're very close they won't get a great or detailed shot. If they're closer, then they can ask if it's okay. I think there's a big difference between that and a bunch of guys with 700mm primes.

I also think if someone lives in a gilded cage, it's still a cage. Imagine staying inside and worrying about telephoto lenses looking through the windows...or going out into the garden with the kid and a paddling pool in summer and he pulls his swimshorts down and pees into a pool and there's a photographer up a tree taking a shot over a 6' wall? And having people saying, "well don't go outside, cos the paps have every right to be there". I think all that sounds like a nightmare...and it's one of the reasons why I don't find being "Royal" to be a pure blessing or, for me, even a particularly desirable position.

 

[firebird]

FYI, privacy laws in British Columbia are much stricter. Harry & Meghan can absolutely argue the even on a public walk, their privacy was being invaded. Not necessarily saying it's right, but it's not a ridiculous notion under B.C. law.

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The test - whether the subject had a reasonable expectation of privacy -- is exactly the same in the US and BC.

From the link:


"The Supreme Court framed the concept of privacy as follows:

…“privacy,” as ordinarily understood, is not an all-or-nothing concept…being in a public or semi-public space does not automatically negate all expectations of privacy with respect to observation or recording.

Factors to consider in determining expectations of privacy include:

• a person’s location
• the form of the alleged invasion of privacy (whether it involves observation or recording)
• the nature of the observation or recording
• the activity in which a person is engaged when observed or recorded
• the part of a person’s body that is the focus of the recording

The Court described the reasonableness of the expectation of privacy as being a “normative” standard; meaning reasonableness is to be answered in light of the norms of conduct in our society. This is not a necessarily a reference to what technology is commonly implemented or available on the market. Rather, it refers to case law, ordinary perceptions and context informed by fundamental shared ideals about privacy."

Privacy in Public: Supreme Court Says Individuals May Have a Reasonable Expectation of Privacy in Public Spaces

 

[Mominmi]

JMO, it might be manipulation via tabloid media to pressure Harry's family for some reason. It's one thing to have a "good relationship", quite another to pay PR people to compose a press release or script for a "friend" to send to the tabloids. MOO.


Why else would Harry or MM reveal such personal information to the tabloids? I thought they wanted privacy?

I think Harry wants privacy at least.

 

[firebird]

I think you're right, it does sound good on paper. I think anyone should have a right to walk around without paps following them to the point of harassment.

An individual with a phone camera first has to recognise the famous person, and then unless they're very close they won't get a great or detailed shot. If they're closer, then they can ask if it's okay. I think there's a big difference between that and a bunch of guys with 700mm primes.

Harassment is always actionable in the US, as well, if it satisfies the legal standard for harassment. The only difference is that Canada may have a lower threshold for what constitutes harassment than the US. Of course, you can't be voluntarily harassed. So I think it's a moot point in Markle's case. lmo

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

The difference is (as far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong) you have to prove losses to sue in U.S. and U.K. In B.C. (not sure about the rest of Canada), you don't.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

<....>
I don't really want to have to go into a thread titled The Narcissist Duchess and Her Doormat Prince <....>

Well, I went to look that thread up and it brought me straight back here!!

I think it would be a really good idea, when the time comes, for the Meghan vs. Daily Mail court case to have it's own thread.

EDIT Sorry, I meant Mail on Sunday. Same same.

 

[firebird]

The difference is (as far as I know, please correct me if I'm wrong) you have to prove losses to sue in U.S. and U.K. In B.C. (not sure about the rest of Canada), you don't.

You don't have to prove losses for invasion of privacy in the US, either.

Eta: to be clear, there are various types of invasion of privacy in the US, and some may require actual losses. But not this type.


"In this respect, the action for invasion of privacy closely resembles that for defamation. Unlike defamation, where compensation is confined to actual injury, for invasion of privacy, damages are extended to presumed or punitive damages, at least when liability is not based on a showing of knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth. Invasion of privacy is a willful tort which constitutes a legal injury, and damages for mental suffering are recoverable without the necessity of showing actual physical injury in a case of a willful invasion of the right of privacy[iii]."

Damages – Privacy

 

[human]

I was remembering the other day how Fergie wrote kids books about a helicopter (I think). Kind of random but hey

did you ever see it? It never appealed to me so I have never seen it

 

[HongKongPhooey]

did you ever see it? It never appealed to me so I have never seen it

No I didnt, but what brought it to mind was some old photos. When my kid was young, a local store had a Budgie the Helicopter ride. You put a coin in and it went up and down saying "suffering swordfishes!!" I just remembered that Fergie who wrote the books

 

[Sherwood Park]

I saw this earlier. Diana loved her one shoulder dresses but I cannot imagine her wearing that particular print!!

Apparently the one on the right is the dress she wore??
Princess Diana arrives at the Savoy in May 1989.
JOHN SHELLEY COLLECTION/AVALON-GETTY IMAGES

Image: Tim Graham/Corbis, 1981

Tim Graham/CORBIS, 1981

Princess Diana's Style Evolution In 65 Photos

Princess Diana is eerily accurate as The Crown recreates her royal tour to Australia with Prince Charles

I forgot that she wore a lot of "80s" prints.

 

[human]

No I didnt, but what brought it to mind was some old photos. When my kid was young, a local store had a Budgie the Helicopter ride. You put a coin in and it went up and down saying "suffering swordfishes!!" I just remembered that Fergie who wrote the books

Now I am curious!

 

[human]

Apparently the one on the right is the dress she wore??
Princess Diana arrives at the Savoy in May 1989.
JOHN SHELLEY COLLECTION/AVALON-GETTY IMAGES

Image: Tim Graham/Corbis, 1981

Tim Graham/CORBIS, 1981

Princess Diana's Style Evolution In 65 Photos

Princess Diana is eerily accurate as The Crown recreates her royal tour to Australia with Prince Charles

I forgot that she wore a lot of "80s" prints.

oMG! That outfit with PC. When I was growing up we had a doll called Poor Pitiful Pearl. That is what she looks like.

She got more attractive as she aged

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I was remembering the other day how Fergie wrote kids books about a helicopter (I think). Kind of random but hey

Yes, Fergie wrote Budgie the Helicopter, and Charles wrote The Old Man of Lochnagar. Queen Victoria wrote The Adventures of Alice Laselles when she was just 10 years old and apparently produced a total of 141 volumes of journals from the age of 13.

*Laselles, actually Lascelles, is one of the royal cousin surnames. They live in Harewood House in Leeds near me. The state rooms are as flowery and ornate as you'd expect, but the old kitchen "below stairs" is my favourite room - huge fireplaces/stoves, a solid oak table, hanging copper pans etc, plain and spacious and just wow!

(pics from google images)

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It is 4km from house to park, I think that would be about 2.5 miles. And just saying there are waaayyy more people "walking their dogs" and "hiking" than there used to be in the area (very local poster here!).

Welcome to the thread @kmclaren! How are the 'very locals' taking the new neighbours?

 

[firebird]

Yes, Fergie wrote Budgie the Helicopter, and Charles wrote The Old Man of Lochnagar. Queen Victoria wrote The Adventures of Alice Laselles when she was just 10 years old and apparently produced a total of 141 volumes of journals from the age of 13.

*Laselles, actually Lascelles, is one of the royal cousin surnames. They live in Harewood House in Leeds near me. The state rooms are as flowery and ornate as you'd expect, but the old kitchen "below stairs" is my favourite room - huge fireplaces/stoves, a solid oak table, hanging copper pans etc, plain and spacious and just wow!

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Now this is right up my alley. Love that kitchen!

 

[firebird]

It is 4km from house to park, I think that would be about 2.5 miles. And just saying there are waaayyy more people "walking their dogs" and "hiking" than there used to be in the area (very local poster here!).

Ha! I know what you mean! I live across the street from a place where high ranking college football teams practice for the bowl games. For those couple of weeks, every dude in my neighborhood suddenly needs to walk their dog every day lol

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Yes, Fergie wrote Budgie the Helicopter, and Charles wrote The Old Man of Lochnagar. Queen Victoria wrote The Adventures of Alice Laselles when she was just 10 years old and apparently produced a total of 141 volumes of journals from the age of 13.

*Laselles, actually Lascelles, is one of the royal cousin surnames. They live in Harewood House in Leeds near me. The state rooms are as flowery and ornate as you'd expect, but the old kitchen "below stairs" is my favourite room - huge fireplaces/stoves, a solid oak table, hanging copper pans etc, plain and spacious and just wow!

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Fab photos! I remember going to the stately home at Erddig and the kitchen had me fascinated. They even had "faux" peacocks ready to serve up

 

[gregjrichards]

Turning back time! Kate Middleton dons 70s inspired outfit in jazzy £295 blouse and flared trousers as she launches the next stage of her early years work in Birmingham

Kate Middleton cuts a stylish figure in jazzy electric blue blouse and wide-leg trousers | Daily Mail Online

 

[human]

About 15 ? years ago a friend and I took a trip to England. It was hardly enough time. Three weeks.

Since there is no way we could drive on the absolutely wrong side of the road in a car with the steering wheel mounted incorrectly on the wrong side of the car , we took a tour through Devon, Cornwall, Bath, Lands’ End and other points. It was great except I hated the part where we had 1/2 hour to do this and 1 hour to do that.

But the narration of the tour guide is so worth it.

One of the things that freaked me out was learning about Bloody Mary. How the burning of the bodies sent their smell throughout the area.

https://www.history.com/news/queen-mary-i-bloody-mary-reformation

 

[HongKongPhooey]

About 15 ? years ago a friend and I took a trip to England. It was hardly enough time. Three weeks.

Since there is no way we could drive on the absolutely wrong side of the road in a car with the steering wheel mounted incorrectly on the wrong side of the car , we took a tour through Devon, Cornwall, Bath, Lands’ End and other points. It was great except I hated the part where we had 1/2 hour to do this and 1 hour to do that.

But the narration of the tour guide is so worth it.

One of the things that freaked me out was learning about Bloody Mary. How the burning of the bodies sent their smell throughout the area.

https://www.history.com/news/queen-mary-i-bloody-mary-reformation

Thanks for that, really interesting article.

So glad you got to Cornwall. It's my favourite place in the UK and we go every year. Hope you saw Tintagel castle with the King Arthur legend.