The Cadaver/Blood Dogs: Eddie and Keela

[Salem]

OK,its at about 2 minutes in.

I found it! I think I see what you are saying. One of the dogs knocks the cuddlecat (or other toy) out into the floor and then the other dog hits on cuddlecat in the cupboard.

They may have moved cuddlecat and put it in the cupboard to double check that the toy is what the dog was hitting on? While I'm not sure what is happening with the toy, that's what I think. It does appear to be the same toy by its color and size. I think Keela did not hit on the toy because there was no blood but that Eddie did because of the smell. I can't hear everything they are saying, so maybe someone with better ears could watch? When the handler takes the toy out of the closet so show that is what the dog hit on, he says something, in English, but I can't figure it out.

Salem

 

[badhorsie]

I am sure that there are two Cuddlecats. I have seen a photo, taken in PT, where both Kate and Amelie are holding a Cuddlecat toy...Will try to find:crazy:

 

[songline]

Based on this thread I think some of you think her parents did this?
I have not followed this story closely but I am confused.
Do you think the parents driver was the culprit?

I remember one parent coming back to check on the kids.
The cops were all over the place and there was no sign of Maddi then.
When were the cadaver dogs there?

 

[daffodil]

Driver? Who would that be?

 

[badhorsie]

We have now entered Twilight Zone territory :waitasec::crazy::crazy::crazy:
de de de de.....

 

[Jennerbear]

these cadavar dogs are probably right. I'm kind of sickened because all this time I thought the mommy was innocent. Now I don't think so. Sad sad sad.

 

[colomom]

Funny thing is that since the Caylee case people are taking a second, and suspicious, look at the McCanns. The similarities between the two cases is amazing!

 

[Salem]

I sincerely hope some of the folks taking a second look include the McCanns themselves.

Salem

 

[PolyGraph]

Eddie's response, along with the numbered "flecks" under the window is so damnning. It just isn't right:furious:

And the little red Tshirt scene was heartbreaking, even Eddie seemed angry, if dogs can:beagle:

I have a question, I saw the video too, just more confirming my original belief that the mccann's had something to do with the dissapearance.. My question is this, where was that little red tshirt before they laid it in the street and the dog sniffed it out? where did they find that shirt? was it in the back of the hire car???

My theory is that the parents drugged maddie after the neighbor was complaining of her crying for over an hour, (I would be crying too if my mom left me alone for hours every night while they dinned out that week)they prob felt they would just knock her out so that she could not cry or cause any problems for them and then the drugs accidently killed her, My oppinion only of course. Im sickened by the way they keep trying tomake money off of her though, its awful. The last thing in the world I would care about if my child were missing, is trying to get a big bright pay pal button on her website, that is just wrong.

 

[scandi]

I have a question, I saw the video too, just more confirming my original belief that the mccann's had something to do with the dissapearance.. My question is this, where was that little red tshirt before they laid it in the street and the dog sniffed it out? where did they find that shirt? was it in the back of the hire car???

My theory is that the parents drugged maddie after the neighbor was complaining of her crying for over an hour, (I would be crying too if my mom left me alone for hours every night while they dinned out that week)they prob felt they would just knock her out so that she could not cry or cause any problems for them and then the drugs accidently killed her, My oppinion only of course. Im sickened by the way they keep trying tomake money off of her though, its awful. The last thing in the world I would care about if my child were missing, is trying to get a big bright pay pal button on her website, that is just wrong.

Hi PolyGraph, I believe the red Tshirt was hit on at the villa. I can't remember if they moved there June 2nd or July 2nd - June I think.

It was a coup by the PJ/English Dog team IMO. The Mc's might have got wind the English dogs were being sent to PDL. But I think their showing up at the villa unannounced was a small wonder in the case for Justice.

My dates are a bit off maybe, but I think It was August 2nd they brought Eddie into the villa and then the next day the dogs were brought to search 5A. I would love to have seen the look on Gerry's face as he drove slowly past that apt while the dogs were there, as the PJ said SS he looked disgruntled.

Any corrections appreciated ;} And KRAMS to ALL :blowkiss:

 

[brit1981]

the 15 components do not mean anything as those same markers are found in a lot of people's DNA. It is only the sequence that can mean anything as it is the sequence and not the components that are unique. this is especially true if there is a chnce a close relative has been in the location the material was found as they will have many of the same components too.

As for cuddle cat. the dogs ignored it at first and just chucked it about. After this happened a few times the toy was put in a cupboard and then the dog went and barked at the cupboard where the toy he had been playing with was. The dogs also made false alerts in jersey care home and caused a huge panic there had been a murder there, but it turned out the material the dogs alerted to was actually coconut shell.

 

[saggymoon]

this is the thorn in the mccans side of story, the cadaver dog hit in manY many places and only in places connected to the mccanns

there are many people including the mother who seek to malighn and discresit the dogs as well as libelling their handler, and lie in print about their abilities, why? no one had a problem with these dogs before this case or the jersey one and none after, i put it these two cases had people with things to hide and connections which made it so, its not rocket science really

cadaver dog reacts to last place a missing person is seen = highly highly suspect, the police in portugal were right as were their uk counterparts who advised them

 

[brit1981]

the dogs had not done that many case before the McCann case (at least not for SY police). The McCanns do not need to discredit the dogs, whichever way one look at it the Jersey case discredited them. That is the problem with relying on them too much, now thanks to the Jersey case it would be easy for a defence barrister to discredit the evidence in court. And it is easy in the Jersey case because they actually alerted to material that could be tested, but in other cases where they have alerted and no body has been found there has been nothing to test, so no way to prove they made a mistake. I also hear eddie was a blood sniffer dog as well, does he make different alerts to different scents do you now?
Also in the Shannon Mathews case the cadaver dogs (not I believe Eddie) alerted in her mother's house after she went missing. But she was found alive and well a month later. It was claimed that the furniture was second hand, and could therefore have been in a house where someone died previously.

 

[saggymoon]

the dogs had not done that many case before the McCann case (at least not for SY police). The McCanns do not need to discredit the dogs, whichever way one look at it the Jersey case discredited them. That is the problem with relying on them too much, now thanks to the Jersey case it would be easy for a defence barrister to discredit the evidence in court. And it is easy in the Jersey case because they actually alerted to material that could be tested, but in other cases where they have alerted and no body has been found there has been nothing to test, so no way to prove they made a mistake. I also hear eddie was a blood sniffer dog as well, does he make different alerts to different scents do you now?
Also in the Shannon Mathews case the cadaver dogs (not I believe Eddie) alerted in her mother's house after she went missing. But she was found alive and well a month later. It was claimed that the furniture was second hand, and could therefore have been in a house where someone died previously.

Martin grimes cv lists several cases the dogs worked on before the mccann case, so where you are getting your *not that many* is beyond me. They have since the mccan case gone on to plenty more, in the uk ireland and the usa. each publicised case leading to a murder conviction. Do keep up.

 

[brit1981]

According to a FOI to SY police, Grime sand eddie only wore don a total of 37 cases, over half of which were with another team. In total five bodies were located, only onw with grimes and eddie on their own.

Since the McCann case Grimes and eddie no longer have a license to practice in the UK, do you have evidence he is practising in the Uk without a license?

The jersey case certainly did not lead to a conviction, it led to making harper a laughing stock.

 

[saggymoon]

The testing regime conducted by mr grime was more stringent than the one used to grant a periodic license before mr grime went freelance in august 2007.
Therefore the ability of the dog was never in question or its legality.
This is one case post 2007 where he was used in scotland, if you browse the site you will find references to other cases.
http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/super-sniffer-led-cops-to-black-bob.html

 

[brit1981]

It is a legal requirement that you need a license to practice.
I have never heard of anyone other than Grimes, when questioned about not having a license, claim his methods were more stringent.

regardless of whether his methods are more stringent, if you practice in the UK you need a license. One cannot just claim, your methods are more stringent so you are exempt.
Do you have evidence that he has practiced in the UK post not having a license?

 

[saggymoon]

It is a legal requirement that you need a license to practice.
I have never heard of anyone other than Grimes, when questioned about not having a license, claim his methods were more stringent.

regardless of whether his methods are more stringent, if you practice in the UK you need a license. One cannot just claim, your methods are more stringent so you are exempt.
Do you have evidence that he has practiced in the UK post not having a license?

i gave it to you above, did you not see it? that was just ONE example. here is another. November 2007 iirc Eddie alerted in Keith Prouts living room to the scent of a dead body. no forensics were found by the blood dog. Prout was convicted, pleaded innocent, later confessed.

rather puts to bed some ridiculous posts all over the net that British police wanted Mr Grime out, his dogs were just security dogs post Mccann case, no polixe force used him post mccann case, and the rest of the misinformed rubbish and libel against him, ie he lied in his cv, he lied about his work in so many cases, just desperation in action to discredit him and the dogs, which you do dont you when you are innocent or having nothing to hide. Thats all before putting false words into his mouth, but thats the cherry on the cake i suppose.