The case for murder

[elfie]

BBM

The article questions by pointing to "It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case."

Who decides what is inaccurate and why? Jonah paid for damage control. That means he paid to spin it to his advantage.

Who released this statement, "Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died." We need the source in order to examine the conclusion made. Tia.

At any rate, whether there was an official source or not, the fact remains that mixed DNA was found on the knife and the rope. There definitely WAS physical evidence for a third party being present, but it was ignored and not analyzed for a match. The EVA flip flop dust impressions from the balcony were also physical evidence that a third party was present at the time.

 

[elfie]

Does anyone know what happened to all the great posters that initiated all these threads? I rarely see any of them posting except a handful and then only very occasionally. We seem to be in a second group that pushed off the first groups work. Anyone know what happened to them?

Arielilane? Bonepile? Greenpalm? Deanna82437?

Arielilane still posts here and has recently.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

At any rate, whether there was an official source or not, the fact remains that mixed DNA was found on the knife and the rope. There definitely WAS physical evidence for a third party being present, but it was ignored and not analyzed for a match. The EVA flip flop dust impressions from the balcony were also physical evidence that a third party was present at the time.

The "mixed" DNA was tested, and was "trace" DNA, which means it was probably old and not of a high enough level to measure any results.

There was NO flip flop dust impressions on the balcony, just Rebecca's and a print left from LE.

 

[Carioca]

There was NO flip flop dust impressions on the balcony, just Rebecca's and a print left from LE.

Are you suggesting that Dr. Maurice Godwin is fabricating evidence? Highly unlikely he would place his impeccable reputation in jeopardy by doing so. For sequence sake, the following clipped (once again) from Dr. Godwin's report:

"On close inspection the shoe print ridges on the right side are ON TOP of Rebecca’s right footprint, which suggests that the shoe prints were made after her footprint and not weeks or months earlier as some have suggested.

The investigative value that the shoe ridges and footprint evidence has in this case, is compelling. The findings indicate that Rebecca was not alone on the balcony the night she died. For example, no left footprints from Ms. Zahau were found on the balcony – not one. It is highly unlikely that Ms. Zahau maneuvered from the balcony door to the balcony railing on one foot. The absence of left footprints suggests that Ms. Zahau was likely lifted from behind and carried onto the balcony. This finding is supported by the partial unknown shoe ridges found on top and behind Rebecca's footprints."
http://www.investigativepsych.com/shoeprintanalysis.html

 

[MyBelle]

Examples of scrubbing -

Scrubbing by RZ's family attorney is more likely, imo. It is extreme negligence if RZ was aware the young child was attempting to plank on a second-story railing and did absolutely nothing to ensure his safety.

It is likely a wrongful death lawsuit is ahead.

JMO

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Scrubbing by RZ's family attorney is more likely, imo. It is extreme negligence if RZ was aware the young child was attempting to plank on a second-story railing and did absolutely nothing to ensure his safety.

It is likely a wrongful death lawsuit is ahead.

JMO

Yes I agree DS is gearing up to sue JS. Why do you think JS paid big money to hide the planking story? Or his other children were involved in MS death. We still don't know who exactly was there that morning... the caretaker family with small children, the other teenage children of JS, .... isn't it odd.... the little PR story about "the only time he happened to have his cell phone with him at the gymn".... really? why make sure you told us that....

We don't have any facts about who was really there at the Mansion. The story about JS at the gymn... etc... just another smoke screen like the fake sale of the mansion, the fake sale of Medicis, the fake letter to the AG... the fake permission to allow AB's team into the mansion..... all FAKE...all manipulations of the truth..

You can't believe a word JR has his PR company tell you. That has been proven time and time again.

Why so much effort..... only the guilty do that.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Are you suggesting that Dr. Maurice Godwin is fabricating evidence? Highly unlikely he would place his impeccable reputation in jeopardy by doing so. For sequence sake, the following clipped (once again) from Dr. Godwin's report:

"On close inspection the shoe print ridges on the right side are ON TOP of Rebecca’s right footprint, which suggests that the shoe prints were made after her footprint and not weeks or months earlier as some have suggested.

The investigative value that the shoe ridges and footprint evidence has in this case, is compelling. The findings indicate that Rebecca was not alone on the balcony the night she died. For example, no left footprints from Ms. Zahau were found on the balcony – not one. It is highly unlikely that Ms. Zahau maneuvered from the balcony door to the balcony railing on one foot. The absence of left footprints suggests that Ms. Zahau was likely lifted from behind and carried onto the balcony. This finding is supported by the partial unknown shoe ridges found on top and behind Rebecca's footprints."
http://www.investigativepsych.com/shoeprintanalysis.html

I am suggesting Dr. Godwin is dead WRONG. He was looking at a PHOTO of the balcony floor and with all due respect, that is not how you examine a crime scene.

The investigators and detectives found NO SUCH FOOTPRINT.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

It is not true that there were no left footprints of Ms. Zahau. There was the impression of both her feet in a "V" shape. That is documented in the autopsy report.

 

[justice be served]

Someone helped those Editors to change their minds....
No one re-writes their story without a very good reason..... and when they do it without stating exactly why.... that is suspicious.... especially after having met with Jonah's PR people .....

The fact that the articles were CHANGED says it all.

Threats by highly paid lawyers do have the effect on organizations to rewrite history. What these highly paid lawyers and their clients need to recognize and apparently don't is that these rewrites clearly point the finger back at their clients' guilt. To me that is the irony of it all. The same can be said of those with unwarranted energy to defend the suicide finding.

 

[freespeech]

It is not true that there were no left footprints of Ms. Zahau. There was the impression of both her feet in a "V" shape. That is documented in the autopsy report.

Can you post the photo link along with the documentation that it was matched to Rebecca's foot dimension. Tia.

 

[freespeech]

So we would also need the source to examine this conclusion?

Jonah Shacknai paid for a PR firm to handle the media requests. Not "damage control."

JMO

I don't believe that. i believe that most people understand that 'damage control' is a given when a PR company is hired to 'help' in a high profile case. The same is true of the lawyers hired to 'help'.

Example:

"Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst visited the Coronado home Wednesday night. He said that the family had been cooperating fully with investigators and that he was asked to help them in that effort."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/...page=2#article

So what is Paul helping with? Is he helping Adam to manage the situation in the least damaging way? That would be Paul's job, no?

 

[freespeech]

The "mixed" DNA was tested, and was "trace" DNA, which means it was probably old and not of a high enough level to measure any results.

There was NO flip flop dust impressions on the balcony, just Rebecca's and a print left from LE.

What I find interesting about your first statement is that there was foreign DNA in the hanging room that was discounted. On the other hand Adam's DNA was inexplicable not found at all in areas that he stated he touched like Rebecca, the rope and the table.

Also, the flip flop soles can be clearly seen in Dr. Godwin's photo's. Iwt, that if they were fake then Jonah's lawyer would have sent out a letter by now.

Hmmm. Is the DNA and footprint evidence being selectively used by Sdso to quickly and cheaply close the case? I wonder? Jmoo.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

What I find interesting about your first statement is that there was foreign DNA in the hanging room that was discounted. On the other hand Adam's DNA was inexplicable not found at all in areas that he stated he touched like Rebecca, the rope and the table.

Also, the flip flop soles can be clearly seen in Dr. Godwin's photo's. Iwt, that if they were fake then Jonah's lawyer would have sent out a letter by now.

Hmmm. Is the DNA and footprint evidence being selectively used by Sdso to quickly and cheaply close the case? I wonder? Jmoo.

As I stated previously, the DNA was not discounted, but it was did not give a high enough reading to get any profile from. Much different.

Adam never stated he touched the rope, and IMO, would just have touched the roped with the knife blade, not his fingers. His fingers would have been holding the knife.

And you don't know if they tested the table. There was only a tiny amount of information released.

You also don't know if Dr. Godwin recieved a letter from Dan Webb. If that happened, I doubt Dr. Godwin would release it. Again, I stand by the assertion that there is NO WAY he could see that in a photo and the detectives DID NOT SEE IT AT THE ACTUAL SCENE.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

From Rebecca Zahau's Autopsy Report, pg. 4, signed by Jonathan R Lucas, M.D. Deputy Medical Examiner


Page 2,

"The floor of the balcony was very dirty, and two bare footprints consistent with the decedent's dirty bare feet were visible in the dirt just outside the doorframe, with the heels together and the toes out in the shape of a "V". Toe prints, apparently from the right foot, were close to the balcony railing and in line with an area of dirt clearing on the top of the balcony railing and with the point at which the rope was hung over the balcony. Other than a clearly visible matched police officer's fresh boot print, no other foot or shoe prints were seen on the balcony, and there were no other footprints (other than the officer's) or evidence of a struggle."

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

As I stated previously, the DNA was not discounted, but it was did not give a high enough reading to get any profile from. Much different.

Adam never stated he touched the rope, and IMO, would just have touched the roped with the knife blade, not his fingers. His fingers would have been holding the knife.

And you don't know if they tested the table. There was only a tiny amount of information released.

You also don't know if Dr. Godwin recieved a letter from Dan Webb. If that happened, I doubt Dr. Godwin would release it. Again, I stand by the assertion that there is NO WAY he could see that in a photo and the detectives DID NOT SEE IT AT THE ACTUAL SCENE.

He didn't bother to remove the noose around her neck or loosen it when he "says" he was giving her CPR?

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

From Rebecca Zahau's Autopsy Report, pg. 4, signed by Jonathan R Lucas, M.D. Deputy Medical Examiner


Page 2,

"The floor of the balcony was very dirty, and two bare footprints consistent with the decedent's dirty bare feet were visible in the dirt just outside the doorframe, with the heels together and the toes out in the shape of a "V". Toe prints, apparently from the right foot, were close to the balcony railing and in line with an area of dirt clearing on the top of the balcony railing and with the point at which the rope was hung over the balcony. Other than a clearly visible matched police officer's fresh boot print, no other foot or shoe prints were seen on the balcony, and there were no other footprints (other than the officer's) or evidence of a struggle."

And yet.... when you look carefully... Mr. Goodwin uses the police photos.. and there they are... all you had to do was look closely.

We are not sure if those prints are from other females on the property that week, XZ, GS and any of her female friends or RZ.... there was no conclusive evidence... just an assumption. That won't stand up in a court of law. Shoddy police work.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

And yet.... when you look carefully... Mr. Goodwin uses the police photos.. and there they are... all you had to do was look closely.

We are not sure if those prints are from other females on the property that week, XZ, GS and any of her female friends or RZ.... there was no conclusive evidence... just an assumption. That won't stand up in a court of law. Shoddy police work.

The SDSO did NOT believe this was a shoe print, and THEY were on the ACTUAL scene.

For MR. Godwin to say that he can see that in a PHOTO is PREPOSTEROUS. He is absolutely WRONG and should have kept out of it.

 

[inthedark14]

He didn't bother to remove the noose around her neck or loosen it when he "says" he was giving her CPR?

Or remove the binds on her hands so that she would be flat on her back. As we know, CPR doesn't work when someone is lying on their bound hands.

I'm not faulting the man, he must have been in shock. But the evidence as presented is scanty and incomplete. There is DNA (whether it's a testable amount or not) in places it shouldn't be, and there ISN'T DNA where it would likely be, given the events as presented by LE. That's before you even get into fingerprints where they should be and are not, footprints where they should be and are not, unidentified footprints where we were told by LE there were not. The list goes on and on...see the link Mrs. Holmes was so kind to supply.

Always, MOO

 

[Inparadise]

The SDSO did NOT believe this was a shoe print, and THEY were on the ACTUAL scene.

For MR. Godwin to say that he can see that in a PHOTO is PREPOSTEROUS. He is absolutely WRONG and should have kept out of it.

And what professional credentials do you have that qualify you to make such a statement about Dr. Godwin?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

And what professional credentials do you have that qualify you to make such a statement about Dr. Godwin?

I don't really think one needs professional credentials to know that looking at a SMALL PHOTO is NOT the SAME as being ON THE BALCONY like the SDSO were, IMO.