The case for murder

[Inparadise]

I don't think it's accurate to even suggest there was no usable DNA given LE's admission that they did not test all DNA found at the scene. For instance, they didn't feel it was necessary to test the blood in the hallway in front of the guestroom door because they assumed it was Rebecca's and they assumed she was menstruating. This was based on their belief that nobody else was in the home at the time of Rebecca's death, so the blood must have been Rebecca's. Therefore, no need to test it, even to confirm whether it was menstrual blood. And then there's the underwear in the guesthouse wastebasket and the clump of hair in the shower. If those items weren't tested, imagine what other potential evidence may have been ignored.

All of the above is just my opinion.

The hair not being tested has always bothered me.....had they tested it, they could have proven that 1) it was indeed Rebecca's, or 2) it belonged to someone else, at which point they should have requested DNA samples from several people.......and it is possible that it was a hair extension also.......And what about the red dog bone? Did they ever test it for prints, or if there was DNA from Rebecca?

 

[Ausgirl]

How anybody could see Rebecca's death as suicide is beyond me.

The binding, her being nude, the message, the presence of a very good motive....etc, ad infinitum - hello? Murder?

What's more curious to me is why this case was so neatly stitched up as a suicide, in the face of a vast preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

It just does my head in.

 

[K_Z]

This further reinforces the murder theory because the alleged erroneous suicide determination failed because sdso has no supporting evidence to prove their theory. WOW. I think they are in deep *** because of that, especially if people keep screaming for proof. Sdso can't even pull a rabbit out of their hat on this one. There is absolutely no proof or evidence of a suicide here

They could not prove Rebecca was depressed so they made up not existent journals and conversations

Rebecca could tie the knots and do what they say she did was not proven

No suicide note so they tried to use the message on the door but knew it would not convince anyone so they painted over it

Tried to say Rebecca's injuries came from banging against the plants but couldn't prove that so the removed the plants

Tried to say Jonah left a voice mail that was the trigger for her suicide but failed because the voice mail doesn't exist

Tried to say Rebecca killed her self because Jonah was going to dump her but failed because Rebecca shared that she was thinking of leaving after the summer if Jonah did not start sticking up for her

Tried to to say Rebecca killed herself because she hurt Max and was afraid the police were coming for her failed because there is no evidence that she hurt Max or that the police were after her

This case keeps veering off course and the newest and latest tactics appear to try and sell the sdso suicide theory. This was murder and someone is working overtime to try and convince people that Rebecca killed herself, imo

There probably a lot more examples. Thoughts anyone?

BBM.

I agree that it sure seems that someone-- actually, MORE than one person, is working overtime to try and convince people that Rebecca killed herself. She's been dead more than a year, and the case is officially closed, but there is a concerted, daily effort here and elsewhere.

Why would anyone try SOO hard, on a daily basis, to "convince people that Rebecca killed herself" under these circumstances? What does anyone except a murderer (or someone delusional and in the throes of mental illness) have to gain, with the case closed? It's mindboggling, and more firmly demonstrates to me that she was murdered in cold blood.

Otherwise, why would the "suicide proponents" care so much? Why not just shrug their shoulders at the "murder posse" ideas, and walk away?? Makes no sense to me.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

KZ, are you suggesting that those of us that believe Rebecca killed herself are either a.) not entitled to our opinions, or b.) we are delusional and in the throes of mental illness?

In my case, I find the case interesting and I see so little FACTS being discussed.

 

[Inparadise]

BBM.

I agree that it sure seems that someone-- actually, MORE than one person, is working overtime to try and convince people that Rebecca killed herself. She's been dead more than a year, and the case is officially closed, but there is a concerted, daily effort here and elsewhere.

Why would anyone try SOO hard, on a daily basis, to "convince people that Rebecca killed herself" under these circumstances? What does anyone except a murderer (or someone delusional and in the throes of mental illness) have to gain, with the case closed? It's mindboggling, and more firmly demonstrates to me that she was murdered in cold blood.

Otherwise, why would the "suicide proponents" care so much? Why not just shrug their shoulders at the "murder posse" ideas, and walk away?? Makes no sense to me.

Most of what is being discussed is not based upon actual facts, but on people's opinions. Until the case files are released in total, the "facts" will not be known to the public.

 

[K_Z]

It just occurred to me, duh, that the push to blame Rebecca for assaulting Max though there is absolutely no supporting evidence was done in an attempt to provide an impetus for why Rebecca may have killed herself.

This further reinforces the murder theory because the alleged erroneous suicide determination failed because sdso has no supporting evidence to prove their theory. WOW. I think they are in deep *** because of that, especially if people keep screaming for proof. Sdso can't even pull a rabbit out of their hat on this one. There is absolutely no proof or evidence of a suicide here

They could not prove Rebecca was depressed so they made up not existent journals and conversations

Rebecca could tie the knots and do what they say she did was not proven

No suicide note so they tried to use the message on the door but knew it would not convince anyone so they painted over it

Tried to say Rebecca's injuries came from banging against the plants but couldn't prove that so the removed the plants

Tried to say Jonah left a voice mail that was the trigger for her suicide but failed because the voice mail doesn't exist

Tried to say Rebecca killed her self because Jonah was going to dump her but failed because Rebecca shared that she was thinking of leaving after the summer if Jonah did not start sticking up for her

Tried to to say Rebecca killed herself because she hurt Max and was afraid the police were coming for her failed because there is no evidence that she hurt Max or that the police were after her

This case keeps veering off course and the newest and latest tactics appear to try and sell the sdso suicide theory. This was murder and someone is working overtime to try and convince people that Rebecca killed herself, imo

There probably a lot more examples. Thoughts anyone?

Don't forget the "RZ knew jujitsu" meme. That was a really ridiculous attempt, IMO, at fabricating a motive to accuse RZ of murdering Max. But that one didn't play well.

And the "RZ cooked healthy meals and limited junk food" accusation that was supposed to convince people that she was an abusive monster that starved poor Max and his siblings. But that didn't play well either.

So now we see a new direction and veiled threats targeting XZ as the scapegoat who will be "forced to testify under oath" just as soon as Dina files a civil lawsuit.

It makes me worried for the young teen's safety. Because I believe a killer, or killers, are still free, and still just as filled with rage as they were when RZ was murdered.

 

[Inparadise]

Don't forget the "RZ knew jujitsu" meme. That was a really ridiculous attempt, IMO, at fabricating a motive to accuse RZ of murdering Max. But that one didn't play well.

And the "RZ cooked healthy meals and limited junk food" accusation that was supposed to convince people that she was an abusive monster that starved poor Max and his siblings. But that didn't play well either.

So now we see a new direction and veiled threats targeting XZ as the scapegoat who will be "forced to testify under oath" just as soon as Dina files a civil lawsuit.

It makes me worried for the young teen's safety. Because I believe a killer, or killers, are still free, and still just as filled with rage as they were when RZ was murdered.

If Dina is looking to find the truth about what happened to Max by having XZ deposed, she should also have GS & ES and Jonah deposed as well, and maybe even the other kids (town kids and friends from PV who were vacationing in Coronado) who were there that morning.

 

[*Lash*]

We can also include in the list of accusations -

• Allegedly XZ harmed Max because she is really Rebecca's daughter and was jealous of Max. XZ allegedly was jealous of the new family Rebecca would gain if she married Jonah.

• Allegedly, Rebecca harmed Max because she wanted to get Dina out of the picture.

 

[Ausgirl]

^ Both of those are perfectly reasonable theories, I think.

Not saying both must therefore be truths, but they -are- worth revisiting with one's common-sense goggles on, seeing as Max's mother and her twin can't get their stories straight, and neither could Rebecca and her 'sister' (or whatever).

Something is definitely NOT right about Rebecca's version of what happened to Max. Several things, really.

Ditto, for Dina and Nina's stories regarding their movements prior to the murders. Oh yeah, and the monumental motive...

Everyone surrounding Rebecca at the time of her death was related to the boy who was fatally injured while in Rebecca's care. Rebecca's death (and I do not care what the 'finding' was) was NOT suicide. It just wasn't. IMO, you have to stretch the facts pretty far and real thin to make it one.

Basically, as I see it, suicide here basically = no fingerprints or fibres (that LE could find, anyway). Never mind all the other evidence pointing to murder. Never mind that some criminals are smart enough to wear gloves. And maybe the perp's fibres were all over the house to begin with...

It's so ridiculous. Of course Rebecca did not bind and gag and hang herself, after leaving a damning message in 3rd person on a wall (hastily painted over..).

And funny how both Max and Rebecca's deaths were seen as 'suspicious', and then that finding was quickly and utterly overturned. Despite Jonah having a known history as an abusive husband. Despite Nina marching over that night to demand the 'facts' about Max's death from Rebecca. So, so many things that added together are just a big red signpost, "murder".

I think something smells about the whole case.

 

[Inparadise]

^ Both of those are perfectly reasonable theories, I think.

Not saying both must therefore be truths, but they -are- worth revisiting with one's common-sense goggles on, seeing as Max's mother and her twin can't get their stories straight, and neither could Rebecca and her 'sister' (or whatever).

Something is definitely NOT right about Rebecca's version of what happened to Max. Several things, really.

Ditto, for Dina and Nina's stories regarding their movements prior to the murders. Oh yeah, and the monumental motive...

Everyone surrounding Rebecca at the time of her death was related to the boy who was fatally injured while in Rebecca's care. Rebecca's death (and I do not care what the 'finding' was) was NOT suicide. It just wasn't. IMO, you have to stretch the facts pretty far and real thin to make it one.

Basically, as I see it, suicide here basically = no fingerprints or fibres (that LE could find, anyway). Never mind all the other evidence pointing to murder. Never mind that some criminals are smart enough to wear gloves. And maybe the perp's fibres were all over the house to begin with...

It's so ridiculous. Of course Rebecca did not bind and gag and hang herself, after leaving a damning message in 3rd person on a wall (hastily painted over..).

And funny how both Max and Rebecca's deaths were seen as 'suspicious', and then that finding was quickly and utterly overturned. Despite Jonah having a known history as an abusive husband. Despite Nina marching over that night to demand the 'facts' about Max's death from Rebecca. So, so many things that added together are just a big red signpost, "murder".

I think something smells about the whole case.

Thanks for your post.......I now have a vision in my head of Nina "marching" from 1124 G Ave to Spreckels.......in 5 minutes no less.

 

[K_Z]

Thanks for your post.......I now have a vision in my head of Nina "marching" from 1124 G Ave to Spreckels.......in 5 minutes no less.

Well, we know Nina was thinking clearly enough to remember to take her pink Coach wristlet with her, with her cell phone and lipstick. And she wasn't just wearing yoga pants-- but "NEW" yoga pants, as she has said.

That always struck me as "too much information", and odd. I'd never mention the purse I was carrying unless asked directly-- and though I have a nice collection of handbags, I'd be pretty unlikely to offer the brand name in such a conversation as to my whereabouts on the night of a hanging. Perhaps if asked I'd describe my purse as the "blue patent leather tote" or some such-- but I'd be unlikely to name drop the brand unless pressed directly. It smacks of bragging where unnecessary.

Adding in frivolous and nonessential details to bolster the veracity. That is a technique often used by those embellishing a story that is untrue, or partially untrue. Like Casey Anthony and her voluminous lies-- always a kernal of truth embedded.

I've always thought Nina volunteering that she was at the mansion that night was a distraction story of some sort. Her version isn't believable enough to be truth, imo. But I think she was there, nonetheless. I just don't believe her version of events.

 

[Inparadise]

Well, we know Nina was thinking clearly enough to remember to take her pink Coach wristlet with her, with her cell phone and lipstick. And she wasn't just wearing yoga pants-- but "NEW" yoga pants, as she has said.

That always struck me as "too much information", and odd. I'd never mention the purse I was carrying unless asked directly-- and though I have a nice collection of handbags, I'd be pretty unlikely to offer the brand name in such a conversation as to my whereabouts on the night of a hanging. Perhaps if asked I'd describe my purse as the "blue patent leather tote" or some such-- but I'd be unlikely to name drop the brand unless pressed directly. It smacks of bragging where unnecessary.

Adding in frivolous and nonessential details to bolster the veracity. That is a technique often used by those embellishing a story that is untrue, or partially untrue. Like Casey Anthony and her voluminous lies-- always a kernal of truth embedded.

I've always thought Nina volunteering that she was at the mansion that night was a distraction story of some sort. Her version isn't believable enough to be truth, imo. But I think she was there, nonetheless. I just don't believe her version of events.

Aside from all the "unsolicited" details provided by Nina, I really doubt that she could walk from 1124 G to Spreckels in 5 minutes......

 

[*Lash*]

The scene wasn't contaminated and the officer's footprint was documented. Only that footprint, Rebecca's footprint in a V, and her toe print were there.

Even if you believe the footprints belonged to Rebecca, there has been no proof only words. LE did not take prints and compare them to Rebecca's actual footprints. The big toe would have been a good print. Why not support your case further by analyzing the actual prints? It would have been a simple and inexpensive procedure.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Even if you believe the footprints belonged to Rebecca, there has been no proof only words. LE did not take prints and compare them to Rebecca's actual footprints. The big toe would have been a good print. Why not support your case further by analyzing the actual prints? It would have been a simple and inexpensive procedure.

How do you know they did not take prints and compare them? Since the files have not been released, it is not know if that was done. The probability is just is great that they WERE. IMO.

 

[elfie]

How do you know they did not take prints and compare them? Since the files have not been released, it is not know if that was done. The probability is just is great that they WERE. IMO.

Because the report states the toe prints were consistent with Rebecca's foot size. Had there been a more precise comparison, it would have gone into detail about the manner in which the comparison was achieved.

 

[Inparadise]

Because the report states the toe prints were consistent with Rebecca's foot size. Had there been a more precise comparison, it would have gone into detail about the manner in which the comparison was achieved.

IIRC, that was the room in which XZ was staying, and it is likely that her foot size was very similar to that of Rebecca's.

 

[freespeech]

Rebecca's death seems like a premeditated murder. The question is who did it? There are those with an obvious motive and yet the most obvious potential suspect is the one who has erased much of the past and who is also the most silent, imo.

 

[freespeech]

Erased Evidence

Alleged suicide trigger voice mail

Alleged suicide message on bedroom door

Jonah's car allegedly used by Nina on the night Rebecca was killed

Bushes and trees beside the hanging balcony

The ground upon which the dead Rebecca was laid for 13 hours

The bedroom carpeting

Home furnishings

Panties, clumps of hair, blood and other evidence not tested

Hollywood Fitness Gym

Medicis Pharmaceutical Corp.

Guest house renters

Witness who saw Dina at the house the night Rebecca was killed

Witnesses who heard a woman scream for help shortly after another witness allegedly saw Dina trying to get into the mansion

Witnesses who heard loud music and/or a party the night Rebecca was killed

Adam Shacknai erased the crime scene

A 9 second segment of Adam Shacknai's 911 call was erased or is missing

Max's body was cremated

Rebecca's body was allowed to decompose for 13+ hours before ME examination

Is the above coincidence or was it premeditated murder?

 

[justice be served]

Rebecca's death seems like a premeditated murder. The question is who did it? There are those with an obvious motive and yet the most obvious potential suspect is the one who has erased much of the past and who is also the most silent, imo.

I agree that it appears premeditated. I can only tell you that any average person - when accused of murder by the general public - would be swift in proving they were innocent. Silence - on the other hand - speaks volumes - and in my mind means they cannot prove their innocence. And the continued silence really cements guilt for me. Not saying I'm average - just my take on it.

 

[freespeech]

Aside from all the "unsolicited" details provided by Nina, I really doubt that she could walk from 1124 G to Spreckels in 5 minutes......

Nina's story does not add up. Who ever text Rebecca at 10:41 PM did it from the mansion, imo.