The case for murder

[elfie]

Elfie, great analysis of all potential scenarios for dust disturbances of the railing. Well done! Your key point is that a shifting, sliding motion is the only possible method which negates all small dust disturbance dimensions.

Thank you for bringing my thoughts together so succinctly! You rock! :rocker:

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

If you consider her rear, stomach, hips and thighs "every spot on her body" then there are other difficulties we need to address.

The scenarios I outlined are the possibilities for a person of her height, tied in the manner that she was bound. There are no toe or foot prints facing back towards the room, so that eliminates scenario #1.

She could not have gone over the railing backwards on her own. Her right foot toe prints were facing towards the rail on a slight diagonal to the right. There is a 1" disturbance on the rail closest to her toe print.

She could not have hopped to sit on the rail with her right foot toe prints facing the rail.

Also, she could not have gone over backwards with her right foot toe prints facing the rail, and her arms bound behind her back.

All other scenarios require leverage to overcome her center of gravity which would have been below the top of the railing.

There is no clearing on the railing larger than 3 1/2", eliminating the sideways and torso scenarios.

Rebecca could not have gone over the railing of her own free will.

I suppose that I and the SDSO and thousands of others will have to disagree with you on that. Rebecca could have gone over the railing of her own free will and she did. Her death was ruled a suicide.

 

[bourne]

Was there ever an article stating he was removed from the case, and if so was there no explanation for it?

I recall Dr. Godwin himself stating right before the airing of the first Dr. Phil show on the Zahau case that he was asked not to be present at Dr. Phil show. Can't find link for this.


Here are Dr. Godwin's official website link to Rebecca Zahau's case:
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/rebeccazahaucase.html#.UHWqJ65c-So

and a video where Dr. Godwin discusses his analysis of the footprints on balcony:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VhTu5ihbac"]KFMB TV Dr Godwin Zahau Case 9 20 2011 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Inparadise]

What a piece of work Gore is. And CHANNEL 8 is stating he lied quoting their spokesperson. Narcissism seems to be the prevalant mental state of many of the defenders of the suicide fantasy.

Some people even got up and left when Gore started spewing his lies about this case.........

 

[elfie]

I suppose that I and the SDSO and thousands of others will have to disagree with you on that. Rebecca could have gone over the railing of her own free will and she did. Her death was ruled a suicide.

Rebecca's death was erroneously ruled a suicide. No ruling by any man will overcome the laws of physics.

 

[justice be served]

Some people even got up and left when Gore started spewing his lies about this case.........

I can certainly believe that. It will never pass the smell test no matter how many times they say science doesn't lie. Actually that quote now needs to be applied to the REAL science of this case. Think Gore will still stand by his quote then? The man lives in a bubble. Shameful that we all pay his salary.

 

[Inparadise]

I can certainly believe that. It will never pass the smell test no matter how many times they say science doesn't lie. Actually that quote now needs to be applied to the REAL science of this case. Think Gore will still stand by his quote then? The man lives in a bubble. Shameful that we all pay his salary.

While they use the phrase that "science doesn't lie", the fact is that they didn't use any science in this case. It is all based upon hearsay and inuendo.

 

[freespeech]

I can certainly believe that. It will never pass the smell test no matter how many times they say science doesn't lie. Actually that quote now needs to be applied to the REAL science of this case. Think Gore will still stand by his quote then? The man lives in a bubble. Shameful that we all pay his salary.

I believe that Gore's explanations for how he believes Rebecca killed herself were so powerfully unconvincing that I would not believe anything that came out of his mouth even if his tongue had been notarized.

 

[Sharyne]

Right handed or left handed does not mean one is right hipped or left-hipped.

But you said her left hip. How did you know that? Do you have a source?

 

[Sharyne]

I recall Dr. Godwin himself stating right before the airing of the first Dr. Phil show on the Zahau case that he was asked not to be present at Dr. Phil show. Can't find link for this.


Here are Dr. Godwin's official website link to Rebecca Zahau's case:
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/rebeccazahaucase.html#.UHWqJ65c-So

and a video where Dr. Godwin discusses his analysis of the footprints on balcony:
KFMB TV Dr Godwin Zahau Case 9 20 2011 - YouTube

Thank you for the links, it's been quite a while since I read them.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

But you said her left hip. How did you know that? Do you have a source?

I believe I said "IMO". If I were to do a hop and sit on a railing, I would favor my LEFT hip, so that is what I am basing it on - and I do a hop and sit on things quite often. For what its worth, I'm right handed, 5'7" and have no problem "jumping" to sit on things that are much taller than 36" high".

But this thread is for "Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopend", so I think all of this probably belongs on another thread. TIA.

 

[bourne]

I don't believe that the gag was tied loosely, she could not have spit it out.
Her arms were bound behind her back so she could not have put it back in, anyway.

She could not have balanced on her right foot toes, spit out the gag, undo her arms and then put the gag back in and redo the binding on her arms.

According to Rebecca's autopsy report, a t-shirt was wrapped around her neck three times and I think double-knotted, and a sleeve was stuck in her mouth.

Her murderers wanted to make sure Rebecca would get strangled and suffocated by both the t-shirt and the noose, as well as make it impossible for Rebecca to breathe. Without oxygen or respiration, Rebecca was suffocated -- to simulate what her murderers thought Max had gone through, as alleged in Max's medical reports by Dr. Peterson.

No way no how Rebecca could have made it across the bedroom with her wrists and ankles bound and the t-shirt wound 3x tight around her neck and throat, a sleeve stuffed in her mouth, and a hanging noose around her neck, to leap off a three feet high balcony without making significant dust patterns with her feet and body on the balcony. A physical impossibility.

 

[elfie]

According to Rebecca's autopsy report, a t-shirt was wrapped around her neck three times and I think double-knotted, and a sleeve was stuck in her mouth.

Her murderers wanted to make sure Rebecca would get strangled and suffocated by both the t-shirt and the noose, as well as make it impossible for Rebecca to breathe. Without oxygen or respiration, Rebecca was suffocated -- to simulate what her murderers thought Max had gone through, as alleged in Max's medical reports by Dr. Peterson.

No way no how Rebecca could have made it across the bedroom with her wrists and ankles bound and the t-shirt wound 3x tight around her neck and throat, a sleeve stuffed in her mouth, and a hanging noose around her neck, to leap off a three feet high balcony without making significant dust patterns with her feet and body on the balcony. A physical impossibility.

ITA, that it would have been physically impossible. Thank you for outlining these very important points.

 

[TorisMom003]

I believe I said "IMO". If I were to do a hop and sit on a railing, I would favor my LEFT hip, so that is what I am basing it on - and I do a hop and sit on things quite often. For what its worth, I'm right handed, 5'7" and have no problem "jumping" to sit on things that are much taller than 36" high".

But this thread is for "Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopend", so I think all of this probably belongs on another thread. TIA.

Unless this post was moved then it is not in the "Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopened". It is in the "Case for murder" thread.

 

[elfie]

Unless this post was moved then it is not in the "Dina Shacknai wants Max's case reopened". It is in the "Case for murder" thread.

Thanks for pointing this out, I didn't notice it before. It appears that Salem moved the entire off-topic discussion from that thread to this thread. Must have taken awhile.

Thanks Salem! :rocker:

 

[freespeech]

If she went over the balcony, it would have happened in a split second. I believe the investigative results or suicide are believed by most people.

A year later there aren't more than a dozen or so people here discussing it. I would not call that massive, IMO.

Actually, what you say is not true. There are hundreds and more interested in this case. However, people get tired of reading the same old tired rhetoric over and over again. Many people do not post but they are waiting and watching for updates. There are no updates as yet regarding Rebecca.

Dina stirred things up a little until everyone read Dr. Melinek's ridiculous report. Now things are starting to die down again until we hear from the AG. This shouldn't matter to anyone but the people who are interested.

The Jon Benet case is still discussed. The difference here is that that there are very aggressive PR people in this case who try to disrupt online discussion and try to get people to stop posting. However, eventually Jonah will have to stop paying those people and just ignore the talk.

The Ramseys went on with their lives and he should go on with his. It human nature to remember and talk about unsolved murders. I know PR wants to convince people that Rebecca killed herself but that's not possible since LE didn't secure the evidence to prove their suicide determination. I can't wait until they stop paying these PR people so that one can complete an intelligent conversation without all the nonsense.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

freespeech, I have not seen any evidence of "PR people trying to get people to stop posting" anywhere. It sounds like another of the endless, ridiculous rumors that have been running rampid in this case.

Do you have any real evidence of this, or a msm link that shows this is actually happening?

 

[freespeech]

Another reason I don't believe what Gore says.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/08/26/39306.htm

 

[freespeech]

freespeech, I have not seen any evidence of "PR people trying to get people to stop posting" anywhere. It sounds like another of the endless, ridiculous rumors that have been running rampid in this case.

Do you have any real evidence of this, or a msm link that shows this is actually happening?

CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...on-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/?tag=bnetdomain

Sitrick and Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitrick_and_Company

Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/02/business/la-fi-0602-hiltzik2-20100602

 

[freespeech]

Jonah Shacknai doubted Rebecca Zahau committed suicide

Jonah Shacknai, founder and CEO of Medicis Pharmaceuticals Corporation, allegedly told a friend at the funeral of his deceased girlfriend, that he doubted she would have committed suicide...

...If these remarks, relayed by Jennifer Jasionowski, the 30-something-year-old friend of Ms. Zahau, are indeed true, then Mr. Shacknai may be saying, by default, that this woman was murdered by either a current or former member of his household.

Ms. Jasionowski quoted Mr. Shacknai as asking her, "Do you know anyone that would want to hurt her?"


Ms. Zahau's friend also recalled this exchange, "He told me that the last time he saw Rebecca was when they had dinner with some friends earlier in the evening (on Tuesday, July 12), but he didn't say who they were with. He didn't mention leaving her a voicemail at all, (telling her that his 6-year-old son Maxfield had taken a turn for the worse, and was unlikely to recover)."

http://www.examiner.com/article/jonah-shacknai-doubted-rebecca-zahau-committed-suicide