The case for murder

[Gilgamesh]

I kept waiting for someone to bring this up but nobody did so I will. Mary Zahau was quoted at one point talking about 3 sisters. She meant herself, RZ, and Snowem. Ever since I read that I have believed that XZ was RZ's daughter.
I am wondering if this is part of the informationthat the "Zahau family does not want revealed." (and why DS did not want RZ to be alone with Max and any of her family members). It has been mentioned already that DS may claim that XZ was jealous since she didn't live with her mother. OK. So that all dovetails nicely and makes DS' statement make sense. If it IS true, I am wondering if there is more to the story of why XZ did not live with RZ. Hmmmm.....
I also noticed something else that I never heard anyone address. DS mentioned on Dr. Phil that JS had let her and her investigators into Spreckels to make measurements to determine what happened to Max. BUT....JS lied about having sold the house and the Zahau family was not allowed in to take their own measurements. Now everything has been remodeled and there is nothing left of the crime scene. OK. JS and DS have a contentious relationship to say the least. They are at odds with eachother. Why would JS let Dina in to take those measurements but not let the Zahaus in? Max's accident seems to be ok to investigate but RZ's was not. Why is that?
This is, as always, MOO

 

[Inparadise]

I kept waiting for someone to bring this up but nobody did so I will. Mary Zahau was quoted at one point talking about 3 sisters. She meant herself, RZ, and Snowem. Ever since I read that I have believed that XZ was RZ's daughter.
I am wondering if this is part of the informationthat the "Zahau family does not want revealed." (and why DS did not want RZ to be alone with Max and any of her family members). It has been mentioned already that DS may claim that XZ was jealous since she didn't live with her mother. OK. So that all dovetails nicely and makes DS' statement make sense. If it IS true, I am wondering if there is more to the story of why XZ did not live with RZ. Hmmmm.....
I also noticed something else that I never heard anyone address. DS mentioned on Dr. Phil that JS had let her and her investigators into Spreckels to make measurements to determine what happened to Max. BUT....JS lied about having sold the house and the Zahau family was not allowed in to take their own measurements. Now everything has been remodeled and there is nothing left of the crime scene. OK. JS and DS have a contentious relationship to say the least. They are at odds with eachother. Why would JS let Dina in to take those measurements but not let the Zahaus in? Max's accident seems to be ok to investigate but RZ's was not. Why is that?
This is, as always, MOO

You are incorrect in thinking that XZ is Rebecca's daughter. There is also a brother that is a year older than XZ. When Mary made reference to her 3 sisters, it was to Rebecca, Snowem and XZ.

 

[screecher]

I kept waiting for someone to bring this up but nobody did so I will. Mary Zahau was quoted at one point talking about 3 sisters. She meant herself, RZ, and Snowem. Ever since I read that I have believed that XZ was RZ's daughter.
I am wondering if this is part of the informationthat the "Zahau family does not want revealed." (and why DS did not want RZ to be alone with Max and any of her family members). It has been mentioned already that DS may claim that XZ was jealous since she didn't live with her mother. OK. So that all dovetails nicely and makes DS' statement make sense. If it IS true, I am wondering if there is more to the story of why XZ did not live with RZ. Hmmmm.....
I also noticed something else that I never heard anyone address. DS mentioned on Dr. Phil that JS had let her and her investigators into Spreckels to make measurements to determine what happened to Max. BUT....JS lied about having sold the house and the Zahau family was not allowed in to take their own measurements. Now everything has been remodeled and there is nothing left of the crime scene. OK. JS and DS have a contentious relationship to say the least. They are at odds with eachother. Why would JS let Dina in to take those measurements but not let the Zahaus in? Max's accident seems to be ok to investigate but RZ's was not. Why is that?
This is, as always, MOO

BBM

Just because Dina Romano says it, does not make it true.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Jonah gave the Zahaus and Bremner permission to go into the mansion with the stipulation that LE accompany them and their hired investigators, so they had every opportunity to enter the mansion for measurements, etc. I don't know why Bremner did not follow through with that.

That is an interesting observation about XZ. IMO, it is very likely that she is RZ's daughter, but that is not the information that the Zahaus are trying to hide. It is not longer taboo for RZ to have had a child out of wedlock. I understand that the Zahaus are from a different culture and may be more embarrassed about that, but I do not think that is all they are hiding about Rebecca. I find it very odd that there is nothing about Rebecca or Neil before the 2010 shoplifting incident, other than the information that they skipped out on a few landlords. I just wonder what is there that needs to be hidden so badly?

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Jonah gave the Zahaus and Bremner permission to go into the mansion with the stipulation that LE accompany them and their hired investigators, so they had every opportunity to enter the mansion for measurements, etc. I don't know why Bremner did not follow through with that.

That is an interesting observation about XZ. IMO, it is very likely that she is RZ's daughter, but that is not the information that the Zahaus are trying to hide. It is not longer taboo for RZ to have had a child out of wedlock. I understand that the Zahaus are from a different culture and may be more embarrassed about that, but I do not think that is all they are hiding about Rebecca. I find it very odd that there is nothing about Rebecca or Neil before the 2010 shoplifting incident, other than the information that they skipped out on a few landlords. I just wonder what is there that needs to be hidden so badly?

JMO

Don't you wonder why Jonah had the "LE must accompany Bremner" restiction, but there was no such restriction for Dina? Gore refused to accompany Bremner........that way, Jonah could technically say that he agreed to let them in, but it was Gore who would not cooperate.

 

[Inparadise]

BBM

Just because Dina Romano says it, does not make it true.

Mittymick, You are so correct!

 

[K_Z]

It is unfortunate that Dr. Lucas, the ME who did Rebecca's autopsy, was what I would characterize as rather on the "minimalist" end of the spectrum in his charting and documentation. It would have been a very simple thing to document Rebecca's parity in his notes, and I've always been somewhat surprised that he omitted this very routine piece of information that would be documented in any complete physical exam. He did a speculum exam during the autopsy, but again, failed to document anything about her cervix other than the scant bit of blood in the vicinity, and the IUD. He did not document any abdominal surgical scar, nor any pfannenstiel type cesarean scar.

So, if Rebecca had given birth to any children, it would have been a vaginal birth. Lucas did not note the parity of her cervix-- typically documented as "parous" for women who have given birth, and "nulliparous" for women who have not given birth vaginally. The cervix demonstrates permanent changes following a vagina birth-- a nulliparous cervix is shaped rather like a round donut, and a parous cervix is more like a slit in shape. (Assuming the woman hasn't had a LEEP or other cervical surgeries that can distort the shape of the cervix.)

Anyway, my point is that Lucas omitted this information in his autopsy, which is the only medical record we have access to. I'm confident that Rebecca's parity is documented in her medical records from when she was living. Until or unless the family releases anything about whether or not Rebecca had ever given birth, all we have is idle speculation about that.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorgia
"Jonah gave the Zahaus and Bremner permission to go into the mansion with the stipulation that LE accompany them and their hired investigators, so they had every opportunity to enter the mansion for measurements, etc. I don't know why Bremner did not follow through with that."

Oh Puh-leeeeze. JS has that sherriff in his pocket, IMO. How convenient for him to give 'permission'. Makes him look good and like he is cooperating but it was never going to happen. Spin, spin, smoke and mirrors and more spin.
As far as XZ being RZ's daughter, I wish I could find that quote from Mary. Perhaps I am incorrect. It just seemed like it was worded in such a way that it stated that there were 3 Zahau daughters. Can anyone find it? someone posted it on WS but I don't save these things.

 

[K_Z]

I find it very odd that there is nothing about Rebecca or Neil before the 2010 shoplifting incident, other than the information that they skipped out on a few landlords.
JMO

BBM, and snipped

Do you have a source to verify that accusation about the landlords?

 

[inthedark14]

Jonah gave the Zahaus and Bremner permission to go into the mansion with the stipulation that LE accompany them and their hired investigators, so they had every opportunity to enter the mansion for measurements, etc. I don't know why Bremner did not follow through with that.

That is an interesting observation about XZ. IMO, it is very likely that she is RZ's daughter, but that is not the information that the Zahaus are trying to hide. It is not longer taboo for RZ to have had a child out of wedlock. I understand that the Zahaus are from a different culture and may be more embarrassed about that, but I do not think that is all they are hiding about Rebecca. I find it very odd that there is nothing about Rebecca or Neil before the 2010 shoplifting incident, other than the information that they skipped out on a few landlords. I just wonder what is there that needs to be hidden so badly?

JMO

Does anyone know where it is referenced in MSM or official statements about the skipping on landlords or how long they'd been in this country?

TIA

:waitasec:

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I don't agree about Jonah and the permission to go into the mansion. How can it be Jonah's fault when he gave Bremner permission? I think the Zahaus love it that their supporters blame everything they do on Jonah. IMO.

 

[elfie]

I don't agree about Jonah and the permission to go into the mansion. How can it be Jonah's fault when he gave Bremner permission? I think the Zahaus love it that their supporters blame everything they do on Jonah. IMO.

With all due respect, that permission came with a caveat that was certain to be denied, effectively resulting in no permission.

He could have just as well stipulated that he would hire private security of his choice and that she would be liable for the bill. THAT would have been permission.

 

[Betty P]

I don't agree about Jonah and the permission to go into the mansion. How can it be Jonah's fault when he gave Bremner permission? I think the Zahaus love it that their supporters blame everything they do on Jonah. IMO.

Jonah didn't give permission to Bremner to go into the mansion. He gave permission to SDSO to consider giving permission, provided the "new" owners of the mansion agreed. The time frame was very limited in order to give SDSO cover to delay and obfuscate any request.

So, yeah, you could say it wasn't really permission at all.

On edit: I still find it very, very interesting that Dina's team was allowed unimpeded access to the mansion for their investigation, but the same conditions were not allowed for Bremner's team. It makes me wonder whether JS and DS are really working at cross purposes here.

 

[inthedark14]

With all due respect, that permission came with a caveat that was certain to be denied, effectively resulting in no permission.

He could have just as well stipulated that he would hire private security of his choice and that she would be liable for the bill. THAT would have been permission.

I also wonder why DS' investigators were allowed on the property without SDSO personnel being on hand.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I also wonder why DS' investigators were allowed on the property without SDSO personnel being on hand.

How do you know they weren't?

 

[Betty P]

How do you know they weren't?

Because they were able to actually able to go to the mansion and conduct their inspection. The obstacles thrown up by Jonah and SDSO were unsurmountable.

 

[bourne]

Jonah didn't give permission to Bremner to go into the mansion. He gave permission to SDSO to consider giving permission, provided the "new" owners of the mansion agreed. The time frame was very limited in order to give SDSO cover to delay and obfuscate any request.

So, yeah, you could say it wasn't really permission at all.

On edit: I still find it very, very interesting that Dina's team was allowed unimpeded access to the mansion for their investigation, but the same conditions were not allowed for Bremner's team. It makes me wonder whether JS and DS are really working at cross purposes here.

Jonah allowing Dina and her team physical access to his Spreckels home to presumably investigate Max's death while refusing the same access to the Zahaus and Anne Bremner to investigate Rebecca's death leads me to believe that Jonah and Dina are in cahoots together -- despite Dina's best efforts at suggesting that she and Jonah haven't been in touch and that he had not donated to her nonprofit organization and also did not inform her of his opening a separate soccer foundation in Max's name.

IMO both Jonah and Dina know exactly what happened to Rebecca the night she was so heinously and vengefully killed, and Jonah is pushing Dina to the forefront of the media to obfuscate the truth and divert attention away from reopening Rebecca's case.

 

[*Lash*]

Jonah gave the Zahaus and Bremner permission to go into the mansion with the stipulation that LE accompany them and their hired investigators, so they had every opportunity to enter the mansion for measurements, etc. I don't know why Bremner did not follow through with that.

That is an interesting observation about XZ. IMO, it is very likely that she is RZ's daughter, but that is not the information that the Zahaus are trying to hide. It is not longer taboo for RZ to have had a child out of wedlock. I understand that the Zahaus are from a different culture and may be more embarrassed about that, but I do not think that is all they are hiding about Rebecca. I find it very odd that there is nothing about Rebecca or Neil before the 2010 shoplifting incident, other than the information that they skipped out on a few landlords. I just wonder what is there that needs to be hidden so badly?

JMO

BBM - How do you know there is something wanted hidden so badly? I don't find it odd at all. There is not much information available on Dina before she married Jonah, besides Dina Flores. Is there something there to hide? In my opinion, not necessarily. There simply may be nothing salacious on either Rebecca or Dina!

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Because they were able to actually able to go to the mansion and conduct their inspection. The obstacles thrown up by Jonah and SDSO were unsurmountable.

But HOW do you know that Dina did not have any LE with her?

 

[freespeech]

How do you know they weren't?

Why would Jonah stipulate that SDSO be at the mansion for Dina's investigation?

SDSO did not investigate Max's death. CPD did. Gore stated that there was no foul play involved in Max's death. He stated that max's death was the result of a tragic accident.

Here's the kicker, though, if you can handle it. The fact that Jonah to allowed Dina access to the mansion shows a huge amount of cohesiveness between the two.

I say this because if Dina had any intention of using her claims against Jonah in an eventual wrongful death lawsuit then how would it benefit Jonah to allow it unless he was mandated by the police?

If anything I believe Dina is stirring up dust to deflect from the witness report that she was at the mansion the night Rebecca died. Jonah would probably help her in that to deflect negative publicity since apparently he still wants to hang onto Medicis by pulling the same sham he did with the mansion ownership. This is all about PR. That should be exceedingly clear.

I believe Jonah would like to rewrite history on this. However, i see at least a couple of books slipping through with a more accurate version of events. Though apparently it appears to some that there are only a handful of people interested that is not true. This case will be like the JonBenet case in that many consider it unsolved because they do not buy SDSO's ruling. Apparently from what I read SDSO and Bill Gore have horrible reputations for corruption and incompetence.

I see that Jonah will have to pay huge $$$s for an extremely long time PR campaign to damage control this. Actually, Jonah is probably responsible for a PR job/career boom as PR appears to be raking in the $$$s. It seems to be a lucrative field for those with no conscience or morals. It should have great potential as our society continues devolve. Jmoo.