The case for murder

[Inparadise]

So, she somehow was given rights to live in the house as part of the divorce?

That is correct. Gloria Allred "negotiated" a much better settlement, and as a result, she had access to 1124 G until Max turned 18. The last time she was seen there was Labor Day weekend 2011, as she and a girl friend were loading boxes and suitcases into an SUV and driving off. When she was in Coronado for the City Council meeting this past September, she stayed at a high-end boutique hotel in the Gas Lamp District of San Diego. Jonah has used 1124 G several times in the past 18 months.

 

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That is correct. Gloria Allred "negotiated" a much better settlement, and as a result, she had access to 1124 G until Max turned 18. The last time she was seen there was Labor Day weekend 2011, as she and a girl friend were loading boxes and suitcases into an SUV and driving off. When she was in Coronado for the City Council meeting this past September, she stayed at a high-end boutique hotel in the Gas Lamp District of San Diego. Jonah has used 1124 G several times in the past 18 months.

Interesting that in a divorce you get two houses to live in. But you said access... so maybe others had access to 1124 G? Or did Dina get sole access or Summer priority? Wonder what the terms were on all that when it's more like free rent and not ownership.

Also, was her claim of nonpayment of the 32k because she said Jonah was supposed to pay it or because he wasn't giving her the money he was supposed to at the time. I can't imagine renting a place that costs 32k per month if you don't have the money. If I were in her position and not divorced yet, I think I'd have him sign the rental contract or co-sign IF he was supposed to be paying for a second house per some separation legal agreement.

Just for informational purposes.... so after Max's death, Dina moved completely out of 1124 G probably because the settlement was null. Did she also move out of whatever house she had in Phoenix?

 

[Inparadise]

Interesting that in a divorce you get two houses to live in. But you said access... so maybe others had access to 1124 G? Or did Dina get sole access or Summer priority? Wonder what the terms were on all that when it's more like free rent and not ownership.

Also, was her claim of nonpayment of the 32k because she said Jonah was supposed to pay it or because he wasn't giving her the money he was supposed to at the time. I can't imagine renting a place that costs 32k per month if you don't have the money. If I were in her position and not divorced yet, I think I'd have him sign the rental contract or co-sign IF he was supposed to be paying for a second house per some separation legal agreement.

Just for informational purposes.... so after Max's death, Dina moved completely out of 1124 G probably because the settlement was null. Did she also move out of whatever house she had in Phoenix?

Dina still resides in the house on E Caballo Drive (where she and Jonah lived prior to his dumping her on Christmas Eve way back when).....it is owned by the Jonah Shacknai Revocable Trust, and Jonah pays the property taxes (they are mailed to Medicis Headquarters). I don't know why Dina didn't pay the rent on the place in La Jolla.........Jonah didn't want her on the island that summer, so that is why he wouldn't allow her access to 1124 G. I think that she had the attitude "you can't tell me what to do, I'll show you".......

 

[Carioca]

Maybe someone knows - did Dina go by "Dina Romano" after the divorce and then go back to using "Dina Shacknai"? I'm asking because in a lot of early articles she was referred to as "Dina Romano".

Although this doesn't answer your question, in several very early articles she was referred to as Romano, then shortly after the joint Jonah/Dina statement when little Max died, she seemed to be consistently referred to as Shacknai. Seems she used Shacknai for her dissertation paper.
Of course, she also went as Dina Flores at some point:

In addition to Shacknai, police will probably want to talk to Shacknai's ex-wife, Dina Flores, who also lives in Coronado, and the second family that rents the guest house attached to the house.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...is-ceos-home-will-change-his-company-forever/

Geesh, 3 different names. And she was suspicious of Rebecca for reverting back to her maiden name rather stating her ex-husband's name... Talk about calling the kettle black (or whatever that expression is...)

 

[bourne]

Dina still resides in the house on E Caballo Drive (where she and Jonah lived prior to his dumping her on Christmas Eve way back when).....it is owned by the Jonah Shacknai Revocable Trust, and Jonah pays the property taxes (they are mailed to Medicis Headquarters). I don't know why Dina didn't pay the rent on the place in La Jolla.........Jonah didn't want her on the island that summer, so that is why he wouldn't allow her access to 1124 G. I think that she had the attitude "you can't tell me what to do, I'll show you".......

Dina must have been P.O. to be kicked out of her home on xmas eve! Ouch! That's painful. I can only imagine how much resentment, jealousy and bitterness she harbored for both Jonah and his new gal -- Becky. Poor Becky, got involved with a man with a vengeful ex whose hatred likely only grew in intensity particularly when her one and only child was critically injured. Of course, Jonah sounds like a jerk too.

BBM Yep, Dina sounds like the angry, vindictive, manipulative type.

 

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Although this doesn't answer your question, in several very early articles she was referred to as Romano, then shortly after the joint Jonah/Dina statement when little Max died, she seemed to be consistently referred to as Shacknai. Seems she used Shacknai for her dissertation paper.
Of course, she also went as Dina Flores at some point:


Geesh, 3 different names. And she was suspicious of Rebecca for reverting back to her maiden name rather stating her ex-husband's name... Talk about calling the kettle black (or whatever that expression is...)

Yeah... that was part of why I'm asking. As we know, and some here outlined, there are these weird parallels.

I thought the Flores was a fluke because there is someone by that last name at Medicis or something like that. Was Dina married before Jonah? I thought she was only engaged (and was when she started going out with Jonah?)

Oh, it was a 'dissertation' either but probably a research, clinically based project!

 

[K_Z]

Although this doesn't answer your question, in several very early articles she was referred to as Romano, then shortly after the joint Jonah/Dina statement when little Max died, she seemed to be consistently referred to as Shacknai. Seems she used Shacknai for her dissertation paper.
Of course, she also went as Dina Flores at some point:


Geesh, 3 different names. And she was suspicious of Rebecca for reverting back to her maiden name rather stating her ex-husband's name... Talk about calling the kettle black (or whatever that expression is...)

BBM. You hit the nail on the head with that one, Carioca! Talk about hypocritical-- sheesh! :floorlaugh:

But I'm sure Dina Romano Flores Shacknai has a perfectly reasonable explanation for why she used which name, and when. And I'm sure she would have shared that with Rebecca when they met for coffee. :floorlaugh:

$hacknai $ure $eem$ to fit her need$ at pre$ent. Be$t to keep her reputation and her wagon$ hitched to that name a$ long a$ $he can.

 

[time]

Dina still resides in the house on E Caballo Drive (where she and Jonah lived prior to his dumping her on Christmas Eve way back when).....it is owned by the Jonah Shacknai Revocable Trust, and Jonah pays the property taxes (they are mailed to Medicis Headquarters). I don't know why Dina didn't pay the rent on the place in La Jolla.........Jonah didn't want her on the island that summer, so that is why he wouldn't allow her access to 1124 G. I think that she had the attitude "you can't tell me what to do, I'll show you".......

Any idea why he didn't want her on the island... the timeframe suggest that could have been when Jonah started seeing Rebecca. Most reports say they had been seeing each other for two years so that would have been about two years before the July, 2011 deaths. I wonder when Dina started going after Rebecca.

I take it that living in the E Caballo Drive house was not connected to staying there until Max was 18 or some age? I just can't fathom why Dina didn't negotiate a house of her own in all this except that, 1). it kept Jonah connected to her or 2). it meant she could live a more luxurious lifestyle or 3). both. I guess another reaosn is proximity - she would have been able to afford a home in the same area/neighborhoods.

 

[time]

BBM. You hit the nail on the head with that one, Carioca! Talk about hypocritical-- sheesh! :floorlaugh:

But I'm sure Dina Romano Flores Shacknai has a perfectly reasonable explanation for why she used which name, and when. And I'm sure she would have shared that with Rebecca when they met for coffee. :floorlaugh:

$hacknai $ure $eem$ to fit her need$ at pre$ent. Be$t to keep her reputation and her wagon$ hitched to that name a$ long a$ $he can.

Well, yeah, and if there was another impending Mrs. Shacknai, she could share that prize with Rebecca instead of letting Rebecca have it.

 

[Inparadise]

Any idea why he didn't want her on the island... the timeframe suggest that could have been when Jonah started seeing Rebecca. Most reports say they had been seeing each other for two years so that would have been about two years before the July, 2011 deaths. I wonder when Dina started going after Rebecca.

I take it that living in the E Caballo Drive house was not connected to staying there until Max was 18 or some age? I just can't fathom why Dina didn't negotiate a house of her own in all this except that, 1). it kept Jonah connected to her or 2). it meant she could live a more luxurious lifestyle or 3). both. I guess another reaosn is proximity - she would have been able to afford a home in the same area/neighborhoods.

I don't think that Jonah wanted to "give" Dina a home........it is one thing to provide a place for his son (and his mother) to live in, but quite different to "quit claim" it over......big tax implications to him, and maybe even more importantly, CONTROL. I think that in the summer of 2009, things were really heated up between Jonah and Dina, and he simply wanted to spend a nice, peaceful summer without having to deal with her...........And besides, he would still have Max every other week (or what ever their summer arrangements were) throughout that period. Coronado is a small place, and you run into people all the time all over the island. But, if Dina was there, and going to the Hotel Del to swim/sun and work out, she would be walking by Spreckels, and perhaps running into Jonah and/or Rebecca...........Jonah wanted to avoid that at all costs I am sure.

 

[K_Z]

Any idea why he didn't want her on the island... the timeframe suggest that could have been when Jonah started seeing Rebecca. Most reports say they had been seeing each other for two years so that would have been about two years before the July, 2011 deaths. I wonder when Dina started going after Rebecca.

I take it that living in the E Caballo Drive house was not connected to staying there until Max was 18 or some age? I just can't fathom why Dina didn't negotiate a house of her own in all this except that, 1). it kept Jonah connected to her or 2). it meant she could live a more luxurious lifestyle or 3). both. I guess another reaosn is proximity - she would have been able to afford a home in the same area/neighborhoods.

Someone mentioned a while back that Dina likely has a "life tenant" trust interest in the AZ property that was negotiated as "alimony" as well as "child support" for Max's interests, school, etc. She can probably stay in the home as long as she wants to, even with Max deceased. Life tenancy status has different rules in different states, about being able to rent (sublet) the property, or sell it. Most of the time, IIRC, the property reverts back to the primary owner upon the death of the life tenant, so the property can't be willed to survivors.

Others might know more about life tenancy issues in AZ.

The vacation home in Coronado was almost certainly in a different status than the primary residence. I think it's likely she had access as part of Max's support only, which would have ended when he reached majority, or they renegotiated the agreement. It seems that she no longer has access to this property, which makes sense to me.

Here is one discussion of life tenancy issues.

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/life-tenant-rights-8078.html

 

[bourne]

I don't think that Jonah wanted to "give" Dina a home........it is one thing to provide a place for his son (and his mother) to live in, but quite different to "quit claim" it over......big tax implications to him, and maybe even more importantly, CONTROL. I think that in the summer of 2009, things were really heated up between Jonah and Dina, and he simply wanted to spend a nice, peaceful summer without having to deal with her...........And besides, he would still have Max every other week (or what ever their summer arrangements were) throughout that period. Coronado is a small place, and you run into people all the time all over the island. But, if Dina was there, and going to the Hotel Del to swim/sun and work out, she would be walking by Spreckels, and perhaps running into Jonah and/or Rebecca...........Jonah wanted to avoid that at all costs I am sure.

It is really unfortunate that Jonah gave in and conceded to allowing Dina to stay in the Coronado home right around the bend from his Spreckels mansion. I'm going to throw this out there that if Dina did not have her vacation home there, Becky might still be alive. As it were, Dina's hatred and jealousy of Becky likely grew to a volatile degree. I can only imagine how it felt to Dina to be so closely watching as Jonah and Becky were happily and peacefully having fun together -- and as Ann Rule wrote, seeing a gorgeous Becky in her bikini riding a bike down the streets of Coronado -- and even playing with her one and only son Max. Likely anything would have set Dina off on Becky. And one can only presume that losing not only Jonah to Becky, but Max and $money as well, must have been overwhelmingly painful to Dina who felt unjustly discarded. Dina likely felt she was replaced by someone who was beneath her in status, rank, education, etc. And then when Max was injured, that must have been the last straw for Dina.

 

[Carioca]

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Also, was her claim of nonpayment of the 32k because she said Jonah was supposed to pay it or because he wasn't giving her the money he was supposed to at the time. I can't imagine renting a place that costs 32k per month if you don't have the money. If I were in her position and not divorced yet, I think I'd have him sign the rental contract or co-sign IF he was supposed to be paying for a second house per some separation legal agreement.

Although Jonah's statement regarding the delinquent La Jolla rental is perhaps misleading (is he referring to the rental or some other fantasy?), as it was reported he appeared to have taken responsibility for the non payment:

The 10News I-Team obtained court records that detailed a delinquent payment on a La Jolla rental house involving Dina Shacknai. She rented the property for a month in 2009 for $32,500.

It remains unclear why Dina Shacknai rented it when she and her then-husband owned their Coronado mansion.

"I think every entrepreneur has a fantasy of how big a company will become and I think what has happened to me is not inconsistent with my fantasies," Jonah Shacknai said in a corporate video.
http://www.10news.com/news/evidence-sealed-in-coronado-mansion-death-investigation

 

[bourne]

Although Jonah's statement regarding the delinquent La Jolla rental is perhaps misleading (is he referring to the rental or some other fantasy?), as it was reported he appeared to have taken responsibility for the non payment:

I think the news story took Jonah's video statement out of context. He was likely referring to his large pharmaceutical business and not the La Jolla rental or the nonpayment of rent by Dina.

It does appear though that Dina rented the apartment out of spite towards Jonah when they were having marital problems. She was aiming to hit his pockets hard at that time for $32K a month.

Where does it say he was supposed to pay for Dina's rental?

 

[time]

Someone mentioned a while back that Dina likely has a "life tenant" trust interest in the AZ property that was negotiated as "alimony" as well as "child support" for Max's interests, school, etc. She can probably stay in the home as long as she wants to, even with Max deceased. Life tenancy status has different rules in different states, about being able to rent (sublet) the property, or sell it. Most of the time, IIRC, the property reverts back to the primary owner upon the death of the life tenant, so the property can't be willed to survivors.

Others might know more about life tenancy issues in AZ.

The vacation home in Coronado was almost certainly in a different status than the primary residence. I think it's likely she had access as part of Max's support only, which would have ended when he reached majority, or they renegotiated the agreement. It seems that she no longer has access to this property, which makes sense to me.

Here is one discussion of life tenancy issues.

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/life-tenant-rights-8078.html

Our next door neighbor had something like that with a different situation. His girlfriend stipulated that after she died he could live in the house the rest of his life. When he died a couple of years ago, the family sold it as part of her estate.

I guess I was wondering why there wasn't a settlement for x amount of dollars that Dina could buy a house with, but maybe Jonah would have lost out if she wanted to live in the style they were accustomed to. Still, having someone live in property you actually own for perhaps 40 or 50 years is quite daunting, I would think. Oh, well, I've never had that kind of money so it's difficult to wrap my head around these divorce settlements. Divorce to me means independence from that person to the highest extent! :moo:

 

[Inparadise]

Our next door neighbor had something like that with a different situation. His girlfriend stipulated that after she died he could live in the house the rest of his life. When he died a couple of years ago, the family sold it as part of her estate.

I guess I was wondering why there wasn't a settlement for x amount of dollars that Dina could buy a house with, but maybe Jonah would have lost out if she wanted to live in the style they were accustomed to. Still, having someone live in property you actually own for perhaps 40 or 50 years is quite daunting, I would think. Oh, well, I've never had that kind of money so it's difficult to wrap my head around these divorce settlements. Divorce to me means independence from that person to the highest extent! :moo:

Jonah buys real estate like he is plalying MONOPOLY.......IMO.

 

[minazoe]

ok so this is out there, unless someone already mentioned it.

is there anyway to know if she was forced to watch that movie that night? had anyone done a full examination of those sights to see if Rebecca was actually in any of those videos or ads?

All reports describe Rebecca as AMAZING...but we also know Dina has spent a lot of time besmirching her character without fully elaborating on what might or might not be a clue to who Rebecca really was and what she was hiding. I saw her on Dr Drew ...anyone else?

I would like to see a search warrant for all computers of Dina, her sister, Jonah's brother, and all of Dina's banking transactions.

 

[minazoe]

ok so things that really bug me

the ....both the on the computer and the admitted phone ...the on the computer is very strange and I wish we had more details.

the comment... Adam made about his bedside manner not being that bad insinuating that somehow he was at her bedside or with her somehow prior ...I thought that was a strikingly odd comment....even if he had meant that he didn't think he was that bad of company or something like that...after all he is not a doctor. so it's a nervous comment that includes "bedside"...Rebecca was found nude so any comments around bedsides should be taken very seriously.

the knots...I say Rebecca doesn't have the presence of mind to accomplish this absolute fantasia of knotting perfection, even at the bed post.

the t shirt, again...presence of mind...would you think forward enough to stuff your own throat when you were about to crush it? it had to be done to silence her screaming


Dina running around there. ( I can imagine losing it and killing someone or attacking someone I though had a hand in my child's death).

 

[bourne]

ok so things that really bug me

the ....both the on the computer and the admitted phone ...the on the computer is very strange and I wish we had more details.

the comment... Adam made about his bedside manner not being that bad insinuating that somehow he was at her bedside or with her somehow prior ...I thought that was a strikingly odd comment....even if he had meant that he didn't think he was that bad of company or something like that...after all he is not a doctor. so it's a nervous comment that includes "bedside"...Rebecca was found nude so any comments around bedsides should be taken very seriously.

the knots...I say Rebecca doesn't have the presence of mind to accomplish this absolute fantasia of knotting perfection, even at the bed post.

the t shirt, again...presence of mind...would you think forward enough to stuff your own throat when you were about to crush it? it had to be done to silence her screaming


Dina running around there. ( I can imagine losing it and killing someone or attacking someone I though had a hand in my child's death).

Does this mean you're leaning towards either Dina or Adam separately or together having been involved in Becky's murder? Or are you still on the fence about whether Becky's death was murder or suicide?

 

[bourne]

Our next door neighbor had something like that with a different situation. His girlfriend stipulated that after she died he could live in the house the rest of his life. When he died a couple of years ago, the family sold it as part of her estate.

I guess I was wondering why there wasn't a settlement for x amount of dollars that Dina could buy a house with, but maybe Jonah would have lost out if she wanted to live in the style they were accustomed to. Still, having someone live in property you actually own for perhaps 40 or 50 years is quite daunting, I would think. Oh, well, I've never had that kind of money so it's difficult to wrap my head around these divorce settlements. Divorce to me means independence from that person to the highest extent! :moo:

Agree. Not sure why Jonah agreed to this type of arrangement with Dina instead of just giving her the money and letting her have total control over her own home, and giving the stipulation that she purchase a home far away from his.

If it were me, and my hubby/I wanted a divorce and we shared a child together, I'd want my own life and a home independent of his, and I'd want to reside as far away as possible so that we don't frequently cross paths and create uncomfortable, awkward situations for our shared child when my ex-hubby and I decide to date other people. My utmost concern would be the comfort and well-being of my child. I would not be holding on to my hubby, living in a home close to his, and getting him to set me up in a vacation home in the same neighborhood as his vacation home. That's too much psychological enmeshment and has the potential to cause all kinds of conflicts and misunderstandings and ill-will. But hey, I'm glad I'm not Dina or Jonah.