The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[johnjay]

I don't understand why the White's didn't want to go on the CBS show and tell their side of events. Does anyone have insight on this? Where is the best place to go to understand the White's perspective on what happened?

It was odd how the CBS show brought them into the picture and then we got nothing else about what they said.

 

[SecretaryGal]

I have a question I wanted to ask during the DR Phil shows but I wasn't online much the past couple weeks.Someone may have brought this up in one of the other threads. Anyone can chime in but hopefully people like UK, otg, dave, Deedee, boldbear, and others who have read all the various transcripts can help me out as I might be remembering some of the statements wrong and don't have the time to dig through all the transcripts for just a couple statements.

In the transcripts when they are being asked about Christmas morning and presents, Patsy mentions that Jonbenet got a bike for Christmas and Patsy got one from "Santa Claus"(obviously John). Of course John also mentions the bikes(Jonbenet and Patsy's) and how he regretted not allowing JOnbenet to ride it more that day.

Anyways, thanks to Burke's interview.....this story has changed. I forgot which Dr Phil segment it was but when he was asked about what presents the kids got, Burke mentions that he got a bike. THis is the first I had heard of Burke getting a bike on Christmas. THis begs the question......where is it? In the famous pic posted above by DFF, there are two bikes and they are Jonbenet's and Patsy's. I realize that photo does not show the entire room but you'd assume all bikes would be next to each other for a picture.

If anyone remembers which segment this was on, could you post it? I think he also mentioned her falling off her bike.


One other thing.....

In the list of items seized from the home, only one bike was seized. I assume this was Jonbenet's.



What happened to Patsy and Burke's bikes?

Burke said he saw a bike as he was coming downstairs

 

[Brendon]

Not if the killer was too young to be charged for wrongful killing.

It seems rather obvious to me what the endangerment charges were all about. My interpretation is: the parents had good reason to know, based on previous happenings, that Burke was a danger to his sister; and they didn't adequately protect JonBenet. The CBS show did a good job of making this clear.

As for the other charge: my interpretations is: the parents covered up for Burke.

If BR is too young to be charged with wrongful killing, then that contradicts any motive the parents would have for covering for him. And there is no evidence that would stand up in court of any prior abuse from BR to JB. There's a bit said here to back up that idea, but on closer inspection it is mainly speculation.

 

[Heymom]

I don't understand why the White's didn't want to go on the CBS show and tell their side of events. Does anyone have insight on this? Where is the best place to go to understand the White's perspective on what happened?

It was odd how the CBS show brought them into the picture and then we got nothing else about what they said.

They testified before the GJ. And they are probably hoping for a court case where they can testify out in the open. Maybe they are afraid to be sued by JR. Remember Fleet White is the only person who has ever done jail time in this case.

 

[Heymom]

If BR is too young to be charged with wrongful killing, then that contradicts any motive the parents would have for covering for him. And there is no evidence that would stand up in court of any prior abuse from BR to JB. There's a bit said here to back up that idea, but on closer inspection it is mainly speculation.

They didn't know he couldn't be charged, and even if he weren't charged with a crime, he'd definitely have been removed from their home and probably put in state care for years, if not permanently. Then there is the scandal from such publicity. They had ample reason not to tell the truth that morning.

 

[johnjay]

If BR is too young to be charged with wrongful killing, then that contradicts any motive the parents would have for covering for him. And there is no evidence that would stand up in court of any prior abuse from BR to JB. There's a bit said here to back up that idea, but on closer inspection it is mainly speculation.

Even if Burke couldn't be charged, he would have had a very different life if he went through it identified as the person who, as the GJ indictment suggested, committed the First Degree Murder of his sister, JonBenet.

And even if the parents knew that he was a tad too young to be charged with a criminal offense, that doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been drastic consequences for the family. The parents could still have been charged with the endangerment charge that the GJ voted for. Would they be allowed to keep Burke in that situation? What would have happened to Burke? The GJ found cause for endangerment and a cover-up. And we would have had all the evidence they had if only the indictments were signed. hmmmmm - I'm thinking that's the real reason they weren't signed and the real reason it took so long for it to get out that the GJ wanted an indictment.

 

[ThinkHard]

I'll have to check the autopsy report again. Logic would assume she ate three meals that day. Who knows what her usual evacuation time was. Mine is usually after breakfast. My father's is after supper. Just not ruling out that it could have been JBR's.

You'd think they would have tests the fecal matter for DNA, unless they only had one child in that house who had a history of doing that and they would easily know who's it was anyway.

 

[johnjay]

They testified before the GJ. And they are probably hoping for a court case where they can testify out in the open. Maybe they are afraid to be sued by JR. Remember Fleet White is the only person who has ever done jail time in this case.

So it looks to me like that Grand Jury served an important purpose, it provided a mechanism to keep a lot of evidence out of public view. And it would explain why the office that called the Grand Jury refused to sign what it asked for in the first place. Is that what the Grand Jury was for all along? Oh my ...

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Last week, JonBenet's Wikipedia page was the #1 Most Visited for the entire site with 1.15 million views. Angelina Jolie was #2, Marion Cotillard was #4, Brad Pitt was #5, and Jen Aniston was #10, so Wikipedia views do reflect what the media/public are talking about. John Ramsey was #11, Patsy was #25.

 

[Magdalyn]

They didn't know he couldn't be charged, and even if he weren't charged with a crime, he'd definitely have been removed from their home and probably put in state care for years, if not permanently. Then there is the scandal from such publicity. They had ample reason not to tell the truth that morning.

I wonder if Patsy followed the murder of James Bulger (2 year old tortured and murdered by two 10 year olds). Not in US, but they were charged and found guilty and sentenced to do time. That happened just 3 years prior to Jonbenet being killed.

I was in my early twenties when that happened, didn't follow crime really, but even I knew about that case. (I wish I didn't.)

 

[SecretaryGal]

If BR is too young to be charged with wrongful killing, then that contradicts any motive the parents would have for covering for him. And there is no evidence that would stand up in court of any prior abuse from BR to JB. There's a bit said here to back up that idea, but on closer inspection it is mainly speculation.

It certainly does not. If whatever BR did was horrible, parents would not want it known. How do you know all evidence GJ heard?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I wonder if Patsy followed the murder of James Bulger (2 year old tortured and murdered by two 10 year olds). Not in US, but they were charged and found guilty and sentenced to do time.

I was in my early twenties when that happened, didn't follow crime really, but even I knew about that case. (I wish I didn't.)

Could an American follow that case back in the mid-90's without the Internet? Maybe she heard about it but was the American media doing regular updates on it? And of course we don't know where Patsy got her news from. Did she watch Today every morning? Did she read a local newspaper?

 

[Brendon]

They didn't know he couldn't be charged, and even if he weren't charged with a crime, he'd definitely have been removed from their home and probably put in state care for years, if not permanently. Then there is the scandal from such publicity. They had ample reason not to tell the truth that morning.

Ramsey called his lawyer early. His lawyer would have told him. No police investigation or DA would have gone after them in that time (a couple of days) if the Ramseys had gone with their lawyer to see the police and make a statement about that. At any rate, adults instinctively know a small child isn't going to be guilty and charged. If it was someone in the house, it would have been one of the parents.

 

[Brendon]

I wonder if Patsy followed the murder of James Bulger (2 year old tortured and murdered by two 10 year olds). Not in US, but they were charged and found guilty and sentenced to do time. That happened just 3 years prior to Jonbenet being killed.

I was in my early twenties when that happened, didn't follow crime really, but even I knew about that case. (I wish I didn't.)

Except the situations are totally different and the boys were unsupervised and a couple of years older and they had a premeditated purpose to kill.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I don't know. I just was not sure if she drank or not and thought Christians did not drink whole lot, or at least not enough to not change into bedtime clothes.

I sometimes wondered if she was a drinker, but have not read that she was.

The Ramseys were Episcopalian. And Patsy did drink although she says she stopped after going on Paxel two months after the murder. From the 1997 police interview:

TT: Okay. Um, I all this, I know with the sinus infection your probably not even thinking about it, um, have you taken any alcohol? How much alcohol . . .
PR: No. I don’t drink alcohol.
TT: Okay. Uh, do you drink alcohol at all?
PR: No. Not since I’ve been on the Paxel at all.
TT: Okay. When did you start the Paxel?
PR: Uh, I don’t know. February maybe.
TT: Okay. Beg…towards the beginning or the end of February?
PR: I can’t remember exactly.

 

[Thisisbull]

BBM.........reminds me of RN "VICTORY!"
and notice PR rattles on about JBR more than anything in this letter

Idk if it's already been mentioned. I've been trying so hard to keep up with this second thread and i just cannot read fast enough. But I found it odd that she even mentioned a quote from the movie "The Shining"

 

[Magdalyn]

Could an American follow that case back in the mid-90's without the Internet? Maybe she heard about it but was the American media doing regular updates on it? And of course we don't know where Patsy got her news from. Did she watch Today every morning? Did she read a local newspaper?

I did! Lived in a suburb in Georgia at the time, worked full time, busy dating my future hubby, and it was all over the news. (By follow, I mean like we did OJ, and Jonbenet, not necessarily on the internet, but what the media fed us.)

 

[Magdalyn]

Except the situations are totally different and the boys were unsupervised and a couple of years older and they had a premeditated purpose to kill.

The boys were 10.

So Jonbenet was supervised when she was having her hymen damaged previously? She was supervised at night, all night, every night, like when she got killed? How do we know what Burke had in his mind? If he had a secret, he wouldn't tell us, because it wouldn't be a secret. (his quote.)

A mother who wakes up to a dead daughter likely killed by her son in the middle of the night would not logic it out like that. If Patsy's logic that night were firing on all cylinders, where she could differentiate between crime cases, she'd know a three page ransom note has never existed in the history of the universe, and that no ransom note has ever been left where the subject was left behind dead.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Except the situations are totally different and the boys were unsupervised and a couple of years older and they had a premeditated purpose to kill.

You are wrong about the ages. Both boys were 10 and only months older than Burke, not years.

If Burke killed his sister, he wasn't likely being supervised at the time either. And we don't know what Burke's intent was.

 

[Heymom]

Ramsey called his lawyer early. His lawyer would have told him. No police investigation or DA would have gone after them in that time (a couple of days) if the Ramseys had gone with their lawyer to see the police and make a statement about that. At any rate, adults instinctively know a small child isn't going to be guilty and charged. If it was someone in the house, it would have been one of the parents.

You are pulling this stuff out of your posterior. WE DON'T KNOW if anyone called a lawyer before the police were called that morning because the records were deleted and never subpoena'd thanks to Alex Hunter. No, adults don't know "instinctively" that a child cannot be charged. People who have had no contact with law enforcement don't "instinctively" know anything, as was evident from the staged crime scene JR & PR created that morning.