The Crime Scene and Investigation

[LvsAMystry]

Do you guys really think LE would leave the girls with MS if they thought he was the mastermind of their mother's murder? After the news articles released today my feet (or at least one) is hanging on the MS is innocent side of the fence.

It wouldn't really be their ability to determine that, they could have appropriate agencies involved but at the very least they appear to be monitoring and would they really need to do that if they were completely unconcerned with his potential involvement

 

[hockeymom4]

So Mom was 'taking care of the house' but not the dogs? I thought a teenager was taking care of the dogs, so why exactly did MS's mom need access to the house?

Where did you read/hear it was a teenager?

 

[creepingskills]

Where did you read/hear it was a teenager?

IIRC, MSM reported this from the beginning. Looking for the source now

ETA: Unverified information. No confirmation from MSM about teenager.

 

[FelicityLemon]

So Mom was 'taking care of the house' but not the dogs? I thought a teenager was taking care of the dogs, so why exactly did MS's mom need access to the house?

No offense to teenagers in general, but while the teenager who walks the dogs may be reliable and responsible, a friend might not be. (Don't ask me how I know) I'd have a relative or other responsible adult check in on the house, too. Maybe water the plants and check up on the pups. More company for the dogs, and also more activity so that it doesn't look like the house is empty.

 

[SeesSeas]

Sheriff Scott has good reason to send crime lab samples to private labs. FDLE is slow.

News article one week after murder - JULY 7, 2015
http://www.winknews.com/2015/07/07/lee-county-sheriff-scott-breaks-silence-on-sievers-murder-case/
[Sheriff Scott] also said they are using a laboratory outside Lee County to get quicker answers.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/fundin...-crime-labs-aging-patrol-vehicles-and/2245192
Funding shortage leads to backlogged crime labs . . . - September 11, 2015
St. Johns County Sheriff David Shoar said in his 34 years in law enforcement he never thought he'd be recruiting microbiologists. But to deal with the state's crime lab issues, he's hiring his own analysts to process evidence and shipping other samples to private labs.

The biggest problem for local law enforcement is the state's slowing turnaround on crime lab samples needed to help solve cases. In 2012, FDLE told Gov. Rick Scott and the Florida Cabinet that labs were taking on average 22 days to process chemistry evidence requests, 43 days to clear requests for latent finger prints, and 48 days to complete computer evidence submissions. All three areas now take at least twice as long to process.

Other needs, like processing DNA has jumped from a 74-day wait to 85 days and finishing a request on trace evidence from a crime scene has gone from taking 131 days on average to 176 days.

 

[Rsteele1]

Or could it be he was just talking honestly to a very close friend not realizing it would end up in the news? I'm still not sure what side of the fence I'm on....

Could be, or this could be how he is relaying his version of the story/details he wants known through other people like Skinner, Lifka, etc. JMO

 

[creepingskills]

Could be, or this could be how he is relaying his version of the story/details he wants known through other people like Skinner, Lifka, etc. JMO

I wonder if MS is aware of a grand jury proceeding. For example, if the GJ subpoenaed someone close to him (his mother?) who would surely let him know, he might react as we have seen; going for walk with the girls, Lifka, etc.

just had a lightbulb moment - what if the goal is to present CWW and/or JR to the grand jury deciding whether or not to indict MS? Obviously CWW/JR would have to be present in FL for this to happen. Maybe that's another reason CWW fought extradition; he doesn't want to be compelled to testify in front of the grand jury.

 

[NSS]

Whoa - backing up a bit.

If MS Mom was checking the house/dogs, and had access to the home and security system.....wouldn't SHE be the first choice when you needed to send someone to check on TS? Instead a mutual doctor friend is sent.

Didn't want Mom to see what was there?

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Whoa - backing up a bit.

If MS Mom was checking the house/dogs, and had access to the home and security system.....wouldn't SHE be the first choice when you needed to send someone to check on TS? Instead a mutual doctor friend is sent.

Didn't want Mom to see what was there?

Good point!

 

[Mountaingazer]

Whoa - backing up a bit.

If MS Mom was checking the house/dogs, and had access to the home and security system.....wouldn't SHE be the first choice when you needed to send someone to check on TS? Instead a mutual doctor friend is sent.

Didn't want Mom to see what was there?

[emoji50] oh wow! Did not even think of that! Very good point

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[No it's not]

MS's family friend talks in both articles. Thought it would be good to keep them together.

August 27th:

http://www.naplesnews.com/web/npdn/news/crime/two-charged-in-slaying-of-estero-doctor_00012835

September 11th:

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123...w-light-on-homes-security-system#.VfTVopcl9QL

 

[Scout]

(I tried to start a new thread for this topic, but apparently it hasn't been mod-approved.)

Since we now know from Kitty Lifka that Mark Sievers's mother was the person caring for the dogs while the family was in CT on vacation, it seems relevant to discuss the matter of how Teresa's murder was discovered. More specifically, the issue of whom Mark called upon to go to the Jarvis Rd home to check on Teresa when she was 15 minutes late to work is pertinent. If Mark's mom already had access to the house and security code and had been there daily, why not call on her to check on Teresa? Wouldn't most people call on a family member rather than a friend for such a task?


Link to Kitty Lifka's statements:
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123/sievers-family-friend-sheds-new-light-on-homes-security-system

 

[No it's not]

Sheriff Mike Scott repeatedly emphasized during his last interview with Tricia, that the 911 call as well as the discovery of the body is "germane" to the investigation.

Timing of the call, the person that was called, specific content of what was relayed to the person prior to sending him/her to the S house, the exact event of going into the house etc. is all relevant. If the individual, who found the body, can be cleared of any involvement, he/she would be an important witness in the case.

If the person, who discovered the diseased is indeed a "doctor- friend" according to MS friend "Skinner", then he/she would have been able to declare the person diseased. Good for any family-member/ co worker not having to make such a gruesome discovery!

Just my opinion.

-Nin

 

[SeesSeas]

(I tried to start a new thread for this topic, but apparently it hasn't been mod-approved.)

Since we now know from Kitty Lifka that Mark Sievers's mother was the person caring for the dogs while the family was in CT on vacation, it seems relevant to discuss the matter of how Teresa's murder was discovered. More specifically, the issue of whom Mark called upon to go to the Jarvis Rd home to check on Teresa when she was 15 minutes late to work is pertinent. If Mark's mom already had access to the house and security code and had been there daily, why not call on her to check on Teresa? Wouldn't most people call on a family member rather than a friend for such a task?


Link to Kitty Lifka's statements:
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123/sievers-family-friend-sheds-new-light-on-homes-security-system

I haven’t read specifically “that Mark Sievers' mother was the person caring for the dogs”, but instead that his mother “was checking on the home“.
Logical assumption would be that she was caring for the dogs while “checking on the home”, but do we know that for sure?

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123...w-light-on-homes-security-system#.VfTYmxFViko
Lifka says Mark Sievers expressed concern that his mother, who was checking on the home while the Sievers family vacationed in Connecticut, had somehow disarmed the system.

 

[Scout]

I haven’t read specifically “that Mark Sievers' mother was the person caring for the dogs”, but instead that his mother “was checking on the home“.
Logical assumption would be that she was caring for the dogs while “checking on the home”, but do we know that for sure?

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123...w-light-on-homes-security-system#.VfTYmxFViko
Lifka says Mark Sievers expressed concern that his mother, who was checking on the home while the Sievers family vacationed in Connecticut, had somehow disarmed the system.

Either way, she had access to the home and ability to arm/disarm the security system. So why enlist another person to check on Teresa when she was late to work?

 

[No it's not]

Either way, she had access to the home and ability to arm/disarm the security system. So why enlist another person to check on Teresa when she was late to work?

It could be as simple, as that the mother was not available. Phone records will show.

-Nin

 

[Scout]

Sheriff Mike Scott repeatedly emphasized during his last interview with Tricia, that the 911 call as well as the discovery of the body is "germane" to the investigation.

Timing of the call, the person that was called, specific content of what was relayed to the person prior to sending him/her to the S house, the exact event of going into the house etc. is all relevant. If the individual, who found the body, can be cleared of any involvement, he/she would be an important witness in the case.

If the person, who discovered the diseased is indeed a "doctor- friend" according to MS friend "Skinner", then he/she would have been able to declare the person diseased. Good for any family-member/ co worker not having to make such a gruesome discovery!

Just my opinion.

-Nin

If Mark Sievers didn't already know that his wife was deceased, he wouldn't have known that it would be better to send the doctor friend than his mom to check on her.

 

[SeesSeas]

If Mark Sievers didn't already know that his wife was deceased, he wouldn't have known that it would be better to send the doctor friend than his mom to check on her.

Just thinking outside the box…. Since the mother might work (job, volunteer) or have other commitments, it could be that a neighbor was enlisted for the daily care of the dogs, and that the mother stopped by at her convenience “checking on the home” to give the dogs a bit more attention, do a walk-around checking for water leaks or anything else amiss. Dunno.

It could also be possible that if the mother works a morning job, that MS knew his mother had this commitment, from 8am to noon every weekday for example, and was not readily available to check on Teresa that Monday morning at 9:00 a.m. Dunno.

There are numerous possibilities.

 

[IQuestion]

Either way, she had access to the home and ability to arm/disarm the security system. So why enlist another person to check on Teresa when she was late to work?

bbm
Oh you clever SCOUT....He (MS) DIDN'T CALL HIS MOTHER BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN! After all, what good son would want to traumatize their mother, the grand mother of his children? Yah, a really odd situation...Ok for Mother to go over in the evening and check on your house and "forget to reset the alarm"...But not OK to call Mother to check on house in the light of day?? go figure...

 

[beach]

Admin Note:

Stepping on the brakes, folks. Sorry, but somebody has to do it.

Some good sleuthing and points being made. I hear y'all. I get it. I really do. Know that.


Here's the deal though....

No sleuthing of MS's mother. Nada. Absolutely none. That even includes asking how close she lives to MS & TS's home and giving estimates of mileage and/or travel time.

We may open a thread soon about the alarm system / motion detector lights, etc... but the reason we haven't approved the specific thread Scout submitted is because we knew that the article citing Kitty Lifka confirming that Mark told her son that his mother had been caring for the dogs & expressing concern about her ability to operate the alarm system correctly would be a dead end soon. It is what it is. Period. We knew that digging any deeper would escalate into what is transpiring here right now (or was before the posts were removed ) - sleuthing MS's mother.

Keep in mind she is not just MS's mother but she is also the grandmother of Teresa's daughters too. Just bringing it back home and full circle.

Thanks!