The Crime Scene and Investigation

[Scout]

My purpose in posting was not to instigate sleuthing of Mark Sievers's mom which is why I took care not to post her name or address. The purpose of my post was to show that it would have been more natural and reasonable for him to ask her to check on Teresa than to enlist the help of a doctor friend since she had access to the home and the ability to arm/disarm the security system. The fact that he got this doctor friend to do it suggests the possibility that he had his own reasons for not sending his mother there that morning -- namely that he didn't want her to be the one to make the discovery.

This is only a theory at this point, but it is supported by what has been reported, and particularly by statements from Sheriff Scott when interviewed by Tricia. When the 911 call is released, perhaps we'll learn more that will further support this theory.

 

[beach]

My purpose in posting was not to instigate sleuthing of Mark Sievers's mom which is why I took care not to post her name or address. The purpose of my post was to show that it would have been more natural and reasonable for him to ask her to check on Teresa than to enlist the help of a doctor friend since she had access to the home and the ability to arm/disarm the security system. The fact that he got this doctor friend to do it suggests the possibility that he had his own reasons for not sending his mother there that morning -- namely that he didn't want her to be the one to make the discovery.

This is only a theory at this point, but it is supported by what has been reported, and particularly by statements from Sheriff Scott when interviewed by Tricia. When the 911 call is released, perhaps we'll learn more that will further support this theory.

I TOTALLY get what you're saying, Scout. A very astute, compelling observation that I happen to agree with, fwiw.

Please understand we never once felt you were generating the thread to instigate the sleuthing of MS's mom. The only reason we didn't approve the thread is because this theory belongs in the Theory Thread (MS involved) right now. If we had opened a thread solely for the purpose of discussing this one statement by Kitty Lifka, it would have resulted in sleuthing MS's mother (as proven here). There really is no where else it could go but down that path. As you point out, choosing someone other than his mother who had been regularly checking on the house for the time that had been in CT ...well, at the very least, gives one pause.

btw...I completely agree with you about the 911 call. When some of these things are released we'll open some of these threads that can't be opened right now.

 

[Scout]

I TOTALLY get what you're saying, Scout. A very astute, compelling observation that I happen to agree with, fwiw.

Please understand we never once felt you were generating the thread to instigate the sleuthing of MS's mom. The only reason we didn't approve the thread is because this theory belongs in the Theory Thread (MS involved) right now. If we had opened a thread solely for the purpose of discussing this one statement by Kitty Lifka, it would have resulted in sleuthing MS's mother (as proof here). There really is no where else it could go but down that path. As you point out, choosing someone other than his mother who had been regularly checking on the house for the time that had been in CT ...well, gives one pause.

btw...I completely agree with you about the 911 call. When some of these things are released we'll open some of these threads that can't be opened right now.

Understood. Thank you.

 

[Stopwatch]

So MS came up with a theory that he shared with others about why the alarm might have been disarmed. Interesting that he used that theory and not one which involved TS arriving home and forgetting to re-arm it, or TS taking the dogs out and forgetting to re-arm it, or anything with TS arriving home and being alive for any length of time.

That could be based on info he received from LE...or not.

 

[FelicityLemon]

So MS came up with a theory that he shared with others about why the alarm might have been disarmed. Interesting that he used that theory and not one which involved TS arriving home and forgetting to re-arm it, or TS taking the dogs out and forgetting to re-arm it, or anything with TS arriving home and being alive for any length of time.

That could be based on info he received from LE...or not.

I'm always leery about second or third-hand information. We don't know what he actually said or wrote; this information came from one person, who got it from another person and then the reporter picked and chose which information to print. We also don't know the context of the comments. He may well have said that TS forgot to reset the alarm. LE would know by now who was the last person to disarm the system and when. So much is a guessing game until we get more information via Sheriff Scott. Yeah, I'd buy the book when it comes out

 

[lakshmi]

So MS came up with a theory that he shared with others about why the alarm might have been disarmed. Interesting that he used that theory and not one which involved TS arriving home and forgetting to re-arm it, or TS taking the dogs out and forgetting to re-arm it, or anything with TS arriving home and being alive for any length of time.

That could be based on info he received from LE...or not.

I think he came up with his mom being the one that forgot to reset the alarm because the alarm was off way earlier than TS getting home maybe even a day. The alarm company and LE know it too. So it being off before TS getting home needed an explanation and this is where good ol' mom comes in to save the day.

 

[lakshmi]

My purpose in posting was not to instigate sleuthing of Mark Sievers's mom which is why I took care not to post her name or address. The purpose of my post was to show that it would have been more natural and reasonable for him to ask her to check on Teresa than to enlist the help of a doctor friend since she had access to the home and the ability to arm/disarm the security system. The fact that he got this doctor friend to do it suggests the possibility that he had his own reasons for not sending his mother there that morning -- namely that he didn't want her to be the one to make the discovery.

This is only a theory at this point, but it is supported by what has been reported, and particularly by statements from Sheriff Scott when interviewed by Tricia. When the 911 call is released, perhaps we'll learn more that will further support this theory.

Yes and some of us have even sleuthed the possible Dr. friend. But of course we won't go there till it proper to do so.

I believe the reasons MS called the person he did to find his wife is very important especially if MS had an idea of the horrific means his BFF and the sidekick JR used to murder his dear wife. It would have been more logical and less suspect in my mind if he just waited about 10 more minutes and the office staff could have been at the house.

Did he think it would be too much for their office staff to handle but ok for a Dr.? Or was the Dr. friend used to send a message directly to the Dr. as a form of revenge?

 

[makayla]

Yes and some of us have even sleuthed the possible Dr. friend. But of course we won't go there till it proper to do so.

I believe the reasons MS called the person he did to find his wife is very important especially if MS had an idea of the horrific means his BFF and the sidekick JR used to murder his dear wife. It would have been more logical and less suspect in my mind if he just waited about 10 more minutes and the office staff could have been at the house.

Did he think it would be too much for their office staff to handle but ok for a Dr.? Or was the Dr. friend used to send a message directly to the Dr. as a form of revenge?

Whoever it was would need a key or other access to the home. Could the doctor friend have been someone the Sievers trusted with a key in case of an emergency? The person who went to the home and the 911 call are questions we all want answered, and may very well be key components (no pun intended) to this case. It's definitely very interesting why MS selected this person.

 

[Dmacky]

Good angle on a double-cross!
About this comment: and of course we have the words of MS "Be sure to check under her fingernails because I am sure she fought...."
I wonder if those are the 'words of MS'.
Just to clarify, Skinner posted what MS apparently told him: "He told them to be certain to look under fingernails for evidence. "

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rs-46-***READ-ONLY***&p=12030137#post12030137 8-30-2015, 01:03 PM

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Skinner
He told me, in tears, that he told the police to do a much more thorough autopsy and forensics work on her body than would normally be done, because TS was a fighter and she would have put up a fight. He told them to be certain to look under fingernails for evidence.

I am just now seeing this post and I agree. The first time I read it I thought it was almost laughable! Like, it's a good thing MS told them to check under her fingernails, because SURELY they would have NEVER KNOWN, or EVER even thought to do that! Give me a break :giggle:

 

[Dmacky]

Judging from this photo at the crime scene, it appears to me that there was a struggle in the garage. Why else would/could the motorcycle be leaning on the van? I hardly think the CS detectives would move it on the van, since they took so much time analyzing it (van) and taking it with them?
Anyone?
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29912180/spiska-silent-but-sievers-children-are-safe#.VfWnknnH9Y_

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Judging from this photo at the crime scene, it appears to me that there was a struggle in the garage. Why else would/could the motorcycle be leaning on the van? I hardly think the CS detectives would move it on the van, since they took so much time analyzing it (van) and taking it with them?
Anyone?
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29912180/spiska-silent-but-sievers-children-are-safe#.VfWnknnH9Y_



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I think you're right. IMO it makes sense that she may have been accosted in the garage as she was getting out of the van. There must have been some forensic evidence on the van. LE most likely wants to analyze and preserve it for trial and in case defense attorneys conjure up some designer defense strategy. JMO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

So who all had access to the house and alarm codes? The dog walker, the mother/mother-in-law, maybe the mysterious doctor friend??? Assuming per the sister of TS that the alarm was left disabled on Saturday (I think I'm remembering this right) who may have entered the home on Saturday?

If someone was collecting the family's mail, Saturday would have been the last day before Teresa's return that mail would have been delivered.

 

[Stopwatch]

So who all had access to the house and alarm codes? The dog walker, the mother/mother-in-law, maybe the mysterious doctor friend??? Assuming per the sister of TS that the alarm was left disabled on Saturday (I think I'm remembering this right) who may have entered the home on Saturday?

If someone was collecting the family's mail, Saturday would have been the last day before Teresa's return that mail would have been delivered.

Also, I don't believe we know if the alarm could have been disabled remotely, either by MS, or by someone who possibly had access to the family's computers, emails and cell phone backups (i.e., CWW)?

 

[Russian Blue]

According to Skinner, CWW is considered highly skilled in the field of IT. Taking this at face value, from my experience working at large corporation with an IT support department that included security professionals, your standard IT employee was there to offer support with run of the mill computer issues (e.g. password reset, server issues, computer problems, installing new equipment) while security professionals had extensive experience with encryption, and securing data. From what we know so far, I would guess CWW is your standard IT guy who knew a lot about PCs, installing computer equipment and maintaining websites.

My point here is to offer an explanation as to why CWW failed to cover his tracks. IT and security are closely related fields, but require different skills. It is unclear whether CWW had more knowledge than the average joe regarding computer security measures and/or cell phone tracking (i.e. failure to avoid Walmart's extensive security system). Sure, it is possible that CWW had no clue about Walmart's cameras, but for some unsubstantiated reason I think he was aware, to an extent. Walmart's security cameras cover the parking lot area. Perhaps CWW did not know this and remained in the car while JR made the purchase. It would be very interesting to know what vehicle was driven to Walmart, LE surely knows. Maybe it was the van.

That being said, both a hammer and a jumpsuit could be obtained by other means with substantially less risk (e.g. small hardware store, JR's previous employer). So, what did these two need so badly from Walmart? My best guess is burner phone(s), prepaid cell phones that are not easily tracked to the purchaser/user, or money transfer services. I would assume that if either JW or CWW is on camera buying a hammer, jumpsuit, or anything that could be used to assist them in murdering TS, we would have seen 1st degree murder charges against at least one of two.

What if the failure to cover their tracks is of the simple reason that they thought that their plan was airtight and they wouldn't get caught? That whatever plan they had would go smoothly and they would not be identified. Things like Walmart cameras are of no value if you don't know who you are looking for on them.

 

[Wing Ding]

I just made the mistake of posting a question in a thread whose title was clearly marked "No Discussion" so I quickly deleted it. Whoops!

This thread's title states "Minimal Discussion" so I'm going to post my question here in this thread and hope it's ok to do so. (fingers crossed)

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"Two weeks after she was found dead on June 29, two lead detectives learned of a possible connection to Missouri and were sent to do further investigation."

I am just now starting to follow this case. So far I have only read a handful of posts within the many, many pages and threads here at W.S. in the forum dedicated to Dr. Sievers, and I have only seen a few minutes of coverage on just parts of two of Nancy's shows on HLN.

At this point in time, the only question I have for the Sievers Scholars here (who have a two-month head start on me) is... how did detectives working the case in Florida first make a possible connection to anyone who lived 1,200 miles away in Missouri? Or has that info not yet been made public by L.E. working the case?

If that info has been released to the public, was the connection made from evidence left behind at the scene, or did a family member in MO. drop a dime?

Thanks so much in advance.

To the Moderator(s) -- if my question doesn't belong in this thread either, would you please move it to another thread before deleting it here? Thanks.

 

[KateB]

I just made the mistake of posting a question in a thread whose title was clearly marked "No Discussion" so I quickly deleted it. Whoops!

This thread's title states "Minimal Discussion" so I'm going to post my question here in this thread and hope it's ok to do so. (fingers crossed)

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"Two weeks after she was found dead on June 29, two lead detectives learned of a possible connection to Missouri and were sent to do further investigation."

I am just now starting to follow this case. So far I have only read a handful of posts within the many, many pages and threads here at W.S. in the forum dedicated to Dr. Sievers, and I have only seen a few minutes of coverage on just parts of two of Nancy's shows on HLN.

At this point in time, the only question I have for the Sievers Scholars here (who have a two-month head start on me) is... how did detectives working the case in Florida first make a possible connection to anyone who lived 1,200 miles away in Missouri? Or has that info not yet been made public by L.E. working the case?

If that info has been released to the public, was the connection made from evidence left behind at the scene, or did a family member in MO. drop a dime?

Thanks so much in advance.

To the Moderator(s) -- if my question doesn't belong in this thread either, would you please move it to another thread before deleting it here? Thanks.

I don't think anyone knows yet, Wing Ding.
Apparantly, CWW has already been a POI in the Ronnie Bolin missing person case for 19 years. And it was well known he and Dr. Sievers' husband were best friends from childhood. It may have been a lot easier than we realize. With that in mind, I can't believe it took them two weeks. But that does coincide with the July 12 raid. But even that probably took a few days to plan.

I like your question, though and sure many would like to respond to it. So I'll still move it where readers won't feel restrained by the Minimal Discussion tag in this thread. Hold on for the move.

 

[relay]

Judging from this photo at the crime scene, it appears to me that there was a struggle in the garage. Why else would/could the motorcycle be leaning on the van? I hardly think the CS detectives would move it on the van, since they took so much time analyzing it (van) and taking it with them?
Anyone?
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29912180/spiska-silent-but-sievers-children-are-safe#.VfWnknnH9Y_



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Hi dmacky. My first thought is that perhaps TS was ambushed in the garage. I wonder if she typically pulled into the garage and entered her home through the garage. Of course we just know the facts regarding the particulars of the attack, but it would seem odd if LE or criminalists would lay the bike on the van like you stated.

 

[Wing Ding]

I don't think anyone knows yet, Wing Ding.

Well huh! I guess I'm surprised that info hasn't been made public yet, but I'm sure it will some day. Anyways... thanks for your reply. I do appreciate it.

But if I was going to hazard a Wild [Sleuth] Guess it would be that Rodgers' was running his mouth about the murder to someone (probably his girlfriend), and word eventually got back to the detectives in Florida two weeks later. Afterall, the wording in the line from the article I posted was "Two weeks after she was found dead on June 29, two lead detectives learned of a possible connection to Missouri..." That doesn't exactly sound to me like detectives discovered any physical evidence at the Sievers home that led them to anyone in Missouri. But ya just never know! lol

And if the murder happened in the morning hours (as ear witnesses believe), it doesn't appear the killer(s) were lying in wait for Dr. Sievers when she returned home early from her vaca the night before. The killer(s) sure did take a big risk carrying out the murder in the daylight hours though. You know... when people can possibly see stuff like cars and faces and license plates and stuff.

I guess until the evidence connecting Rodgers (and Wright?) to the murder is made public I'll move on to possible motives now. To the Sleuth-mobile!

 

[Wing Ding]

Hi dmacky. My first thought is that perhaps TS was ambushed in the garage.

Ambushed when she returned home at night or ambushed when she was leaving for work the next morning?

 

[SeesSeas]

Judging from this photo at the crime scene, it appears to me that there was a struggle in the garage. Why else would/could the motorcycle be leaning on the van? I hardly think the CS detectives would move it on the van, since they took so much time analyzing it (van) and taking it with them?
Anyone?
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29912180/spiska-silent-but-sievers-children-are-safe#.VfWnknnH9Y_

There was some discussion a few weeks ago 8/20/2015 on Thread #4 about the motorcycle leaning (or appearing to be leaning) on the van, along with additional photos:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-Springs-June-2015-4&p=12011386#post12011386