The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 11th -12th June - Trial Days 2 & 3 - Week 1

[spratsmum]

Could an animal have tried to remove the jumper., I wonder?
Hello everyone, nice to see so many familiar names and thanks for the up to the minute information, I very much appreciate it.

 

[drsleuth]

I'm guessing there is now a break. Anyone know what time they will resume & I'll carry on with the twitter updates if no one else wants to do them???

 

[marlywings]

Hi & welcome to all our new members!

And a big welcome back to all those we've not "seen" for a while

 

[marlywings]

11:35am: The court has adjourned for a short morning tea break.

It is due to resume at 11.50am.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34I62MsHg

 

[Amee]

11:35am: The court has adjourned for a short morning tea break.

It is due to resume at 11.50am.

11:35am: Dr Milne told the court the fingernails on Mrs Baden-Clay's right hand had become detached due to her body's decomposition.

He said he managed to find four of the fingernails in the sleeve of Mrs Baden-Clay's jumper which was wrapped around her arms and head.

Under cross-examination from Gerard Baden-Clay's defence counsel Michael Byrne QC, Dr Milne said he had sent the fingernails for DNA testing.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34I63H9Tz

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm guessing there is now a break. Anyone know what time they will resume & I'll carry on with the twitter updates if no one else wants to do them???

I'll help out if that's alright, even if we double up.

 

[drsleuth]

I'll help out if that's alright, even if we double up.

No worries

 

[Amee]

11:50am: The court has resumed. Dr Milne remains in the witness box.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34I8MfYe3

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 6s
Milne agrees the larynx was intact, the neck bones showed no injury, the spine showed no injury. #badenclay

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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Byrne: Decomposition does not affect the skeleton? Milne agrees. Byrne: So the CT scan is very important? Milne agrees. #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 26s
Byrne: You can't say whether it was a true bruise? Milne: That's right. #badenclay

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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 51s
Byrne: You found "something" near the fourth to sixth ribs on the left chest. A "possible bruise". #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 26s
Byrne: You can't say whether it was a true bruise? Milne: That's right. #badenclay

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Can someone quickly explain all this to me, if she was thrown off the bridge wouldn't she still have suffered fractures?

 

[Total]

Can someone quickly explain all this to me, if she was thrown off the bridge wouldn't she still have suffered fractures?

According to Dr Milne if Allison had been thrown off the bridge she would likely to have suffered fractures

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 34s
Byrne QC is asking Dr Milne about the toxicology reports. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Allison's medical history showed she had been "prone" to suicidal thoughts, suffered from anxiety. #badenclay

 

[drsleuth]

11.30am: Forensic pathologist Dr Nathan Milne said the brain was examined by a neuropathologist but it was particularly difficult because of the level of decomposition.

He said the only finding was inconclusive, that there was modest amounts of granular material on the brain.

He said he tested for microscopic organisms found in water, called ``diatoms’’, which would be expected to have been found if a person had drowned.

He said there were none present in the samples he submitted to an expert.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...his-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226950152264

 

[DrWatson]

Can someone quickly explain all this to me, if she was thrown off the bridge wouldn't she still have suffered fractures?

Not necessarily. If she was already dead, and therefore totally relaxed, that may help to avoid fractures, for a start (Example - drunks falling over often sustain no fractures because they're "floppy" and don't brace).

Also, if she landed in water - or perhaps deep soft mud - the fall could have been cushioned. In fact, Nathan Milne specifically states this in the autopsy report in his conclusions

 

[Amee]

Can someone quickly explain all this to me, if she was thrown off the bridge wouldn't she still have suffered fractures?

11:28am: Dr Milne said Mrs Baden-Clay did not have injuries consistent with having fallen 14 metres from the bridge on Mt Crosby Road to the bed of Kholo Creek.

"You would expect some significant injuries - bone fractures," he said.

However, he noted, Mrs Baden-Clay would not have necessarily suffered obvious injuries if she had fallen into a body of water.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34IAjX08D

 

[PrimeSuspect]

No worries

I'm sorry, I was following Francene Norton but she's not tweeting anymore so switched to Kate. :blushing:

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · now

Byrne QC is asking Dr Milne about the toxicology reports. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 43s

Milne says decomposition could have caused the alcohol reading of .095 in Allison's blood. He says half, if not all, from decomposition.

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 29s

Byrne says blood, liver and stomach showed different levels of Sertraline, all high. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 24s

Milne says it's hard to say anything about liver and stomach levels, but blood was higher than you would expect from therapeutic levels.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 2m
Byrne says blood, liver and stomach showed different levels of Sertraline, all high. #badenclay