The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 11th -12th June - Trial Days 2 & 3 - Week 1

[marlywings]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 26s

Milne says there were no fractures he could identify. #badenclay

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[drsleuth]

Dr Milne: But "you can never give a real accurate answer" (on time of death). #badenclay @abcnews


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou

Milne says there was plant material stuck in her hair. There was some on her body and some in the bag she was transported in. #badenclay

Milne says her jumper was wound around her neck. The sleeves were pulled down but her hands were still in her sleeves. #badenclay



Milne: The jumper was mostly inside out. #badenclay

 

[drsleuth]

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 40s

Dr Milne says Allison's hands were still in sleeves, but rest of jumper was around head. Most of jumper was inside out. #badenclay @abcnews

 

[drsleuth]

Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 3m

Prosecution to forensic pathologist: Did body display any obvious cause of death? No. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Milne says part of her skull was visible. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 3s

Milne says the changes to her body were consistent with her having been left in the position she was found in at the creek bank. #badenclay

 

[marlywings]

10:37am: The fifth witness to take the stand is forensic pathologist Dr Nathan Milne.

He attended the crime scene where Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found about 3.30pm on April 30, 2012.

"I was called by police scientific officers to offer my opinion," he said.

Dr Milne performed a preliminary examination of Mrs Baden-Clay's body at the scene once it was recovered by police from the creek bed.

"At the time it had approximately been 11 days since she was last seen alive and certainly those factors were consistent with that."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34HsRkx4I

 

[wewillgetyou]

Let's hope they clear up the confusion about the rubber glove finger tip.

 

[drsleuth]

10:41am: The fifth witness to take the stand is forensic pathologist Dr Nathan Milne.

He attended the crime scene where Mrs Baden-Clay's body was found about 3.30pm on April 30, 2012.

"I was called by police scientific officers to offer my opinion," he said.

Dr Milne performed a preliminary examination of Mrs Baden-Clay's body at the scene once it was recovered by police from the creek bed.

"I couldn't examine the whole body ... but there was soft tissue loss on much of the head and face ... and towards the front of the forearms," he said.

"At the time it had approximately been 11 days since she was last seen alive and certainly those factors were consistent with that."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34HstZIkA

 

[DrWatson]

Yes the creek banks would have been somewhat drier when her body was placed at Kholo on 19th April

Rain event was the following weekend 28-29th April,2012.

Her body was found 30th April.

If I'm interpreting the hydrology report correctly, the regular high tide would come up to the body, perhaps submerging parts of it as she lay there. But the rain event coincided with a LOW tide, and didn't reach the body.

The high tides would have been lapping at Allison's body, but not enough to lift it out of the clinging mud and shift it. I think that's the point of the discussion about the mud.

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 29s

Milne says there were no definite injuries on her body. The level of decomposition made it difficult to tell. #badenclay

Milne says there could have been soft tissue injuries to her face and left shin because of the level of decomposition. #badenclay

Milne says there was significant decomposition to Allison's neck. #badenclay

 

[drsleuth]

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 2m

Dr Milne says Allison died in the position she was found or body was put that position within hours of death. #badenclay @abcnews

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 17s

Milne says there was no fracture to the hyoid bone in her neck, no injuries to sternum or ribs. #badenclay



Milne says there was "probably" an injury to the internal lining of the chest wall, probably a bruise. #badenclay

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 8s

Milne says if it was a bruise, it would have been a blunt force injury of mild force. He says it was left front of chest, about 5cm in size.

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 43s

Milne says he can't rule out it was caused post mortem. #badenclay

 

[marlywings]

11:02am:

Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller, QC, has asked Dr Milne whether he could determine Mrs Baden-Clay’s cause of death.

“No,” Dr Milne replied.

Dr Milne also told the court there were no obvious fractures to Mrs Baden-Clay’s body.

He said he noticed an injury to Mrs Baden-Clay’s left shin where a lot of soft tissue was missing.
“There was an injury that could have been there before death or after death,” he said.

Dr Milne also spotted an injury to Mrs Baden-Clay’s chest, but could not say for certain whether it was received before or after her death.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34HvlzQOz

 

[drsleuth]

ate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 36s

Milne says he couldn't say it was "definitely" a bruise but he can't exclude it either. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 37s

Milne says Allison's medical history showed she was asthmatic and had been prescribed Zoloft. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 35s

Milne says there was no sign of sexual assault. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · now

Milne says the level of decomposition made toxicology tests very difficult. #badenclay

 

[knowledgethirsty]

Not much there that is consistent with jumping off a bridge??

Who jumps off a bridge with their jumper around their head and neck????

 

[Tishy]

Wondering what the demeanour of the accused is during this harrowing testimony?

 

[Jo04]

Not much there that is consistent with jumping off a bridge??



Who jumps off a bridge with their jumper around their head and neck????

She could've been in the process of taking off her jumper as she slipped and rolled down the embankment? ;(


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[drsleuth]

I don't know how Allison's family & friends can bear to listen to all these details

:tears:

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 27s

Milne says it's most reliable to test blood from the legs. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 24s

Milne says he could only take samples from liver. Sertraline (Zoloft) metabolises in the liver, meaning it would've been concentrated there.

 

[drsleuth]

She said she was present when a post-mortem examination was conducted on Ms Baden-Clay’s body on May 1, 2012.

“When I first observed Allison she had on a pair of three-quarter length pants, socks and shoes, a top and also a jumper that was wrapped around her head and neck area,’’ she said.

Sgt Tysoe said she located some botanical material — leaves and twigs — in Ms Baden-Clay’s hair as well as around the arms of her jumper.

“I collected the botanical material from Allison and once I returned to the scientific section we transferred those matierals into bottle with ethanol,’’ she said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...his-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226950152264

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 24s

Milne says the level of decomposition would have "artificially" elevated the level of drug in her body. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou

Milne says the levels of Sertraline in the liver were high, as you would expect. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 14s

Milne: There was no real conclusion I could draw from those levels. #badenclay