The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 17th June - Trial Day 5 - Week 2

[they'll get you]

ate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 12s
Dr Lumsden says Allison was completely normal. He says he was so impressed by her, he asked her to finish her studies and work with him.

WOW!

The defence can't question his experience. 45 years.

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her someone with depression should be able to "snap out of it". #badenclay :furious:

TMCH snap out of it!

 

[Smegal]

Why would a patient find the need to try and mask depression if they are open enough to discuss with their Doctor that their husband was having an affair, plus tell the Doc they have mood swings at a certain time of the month.

Trying to discreet the Doctor, isn't going to work.

Agree 100%

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 44s
Ms Nutting says they talked about the impact of the affair. "Both of them didn't want to hurt the other." #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 44s
Ms Nutting says they needed a lot of communicating. "They needed to talk about it." #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 39s
At a third session Allison was more composed and more confident the relationship could be healed - Ms Nutting #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 53s
Ms Nutting says Allison was more confident and positive in December. She thought the relationship "could be healed". #badenclay

 

[Amee]

12:11pm: Ms Nutting said: "Gerard said, 'I don't want to burden you'. She said 'I've had three years of emotional stress.'"

12:10pm: Ms Nutting said Mrs Baden-Clay discussed her previous struggles with depression and anxiety but had a lot of insight into her mental illness.

"She appeared to me to be a very responsible mother. I've got written here that she was very close to her children," Ms Nutting said.

Ms Nutting said Mrs Baden-Clay was "quite impacted" by her husband's affair.

"She was quite impacted by them. She wanted to keep the marriage. She knew that the marriage hadn't been good, but she wanted to pick up the marriage. She had every hope that that would happen.

"She said that she'd been lonely for the past four years. She said she needed a hug from someone. She said she thought about the woman that Gerard was having a relationship with, an affair with, and when she thought about that, she took a step back from the relationship and one of the things she wanted to do ... was to push through [that], like she had pushed through in her ballet lessons and her ballet performances. She just felt it was all unfair.

"She was having flashbacks of seeing Gerard's girlfriend's car at the gym. I felt that this might have been holding her back from recovering and from the relationship recovering. So I really wanted to do some work with her about the trauma and the flashbacks."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34rILzxbs

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 48s
Prosecutor: Was there anything that gave you concerns that she was potentially suicidal? Ms Nutting: No. #badenclay


David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 53s
Ms Nutting had no concerns Allison was suicidal #badenclay

 

[they'll get you]

Clearly the Doc needs to take some lessons on "The Psychology of Fashion", with NBC. Pfffff....psychological testing? Who needs that.....

I can't help think of that Simpsons episode when Homer says to he doctor 'Excuse me doctor but think I know a little something about medicine'.

Or when Mag Simpson wants to loose weight to look good for Homer.

DOH!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Defence is now asking Ms Nutting questions. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Nutting agrees that Gerard had been "found out" before his affair ended. #badenclay




Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 1m
Dr Nutting had no suicidal concerns for Allison. Both Allison and Gerard were badly stressed though. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 52s
Ms Nutting says Allison thought she was not good enough. There were trust issues. #badenclay



If only she knew she couldn't be further from the truth. She was too good for him! jmo

 

[Amee]

12:12pm: Ms Nutting said she saw no signs that Mrs Baden-Clay was suicidal.

"Had I picked up on that I would have contacted her doctor," she told the court.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34rJ1wLbD

 

[Tishy]

12:11pm: Ms Nutting said: "Gerard said, 'I don't want to burden you'. She said 'I've had three years of emotional stress.'"

12:10pm: Ms Nutting said Mrs Baden-Clay discussed her previous struggles with depression and anxiety but had a lot of insight into her mental illness.

"She appeared to me to be a very responsible mother. I've got written here that she was very close to her children," Ms Nutting said.

Ms Nutting said Mrs Baden-Clay was "quite impacted" by her husband's affair.

"She was quite impacted by them. She wanted to keep the marriage. She knew that the marriage hadn't been good, but she wanted to pick up the marriage. She had every hope that that would happen.

"She said that she'd been lonely for the past four years. She said she needed a hug from someone. She said she thought about the woman that Gerard was having a relationship with, an affair with, and when she thought about that, she took a step back from the relationship and one of the things she wanted to do ... was to push through [that], like she had pushed through in her ballet lessons and her ballet performances. She just felt it was all unfair.

"She was having flashbacks of seeing Gerard's girlfriend's car at the gym. I felt that this might have been holding her back from recovering and from the relationship recovering. So I really wanted to do some work with her about the trauma and the flashbacks."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34rILzxbs

'She was quite impacted by them' - does that mean she knew about the others as well I wonder?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 35s
Ms Nutting says Allison's self esteem was impacted by the affair. She took on that she wasn't good enough for Gerard. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says Allison had a "hypervigilant" issue. She was on edge, not completely comfortable in the situation. #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Nutting says Allison told her she she was a bad wife who suffered from depression and anxiety attacks. #badenclay

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 42s
Michael Byrne, for the defence, asking witness for a definition of a panic attack #badenclay


Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 59s
Ms Nutting says she had no concerns Allison was suicidal. "Had I picked up on that I would've contacted her doctor." #badenclay @abcnews

 

[Amee]

GBC I hope you have your listening ears on!!!!

 

[they'll get you]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 46s
Ms Nutting: Allison had been lonely for the last four years. 'She said she needed a hug from someone'. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says Allison was less positive about the relationship in November. She said she'd been lonely for four years. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says Allison told her she needed a hug from someone. When she thought about the "other woman" she took a step back. #badenclay

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[Amee]

12:17pm: "She took on that she wasn't good enough for Gerard," Ms Nutting said of Mrs Baden-Clay.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34rJtfHw0

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 44s
Ms Nutting says it's when anxiety takes over, can last 5 minutes to 25 minutes, 'they feel they're going to die' #badenclay


Marissa Calligeros ‏@marissa_sc 30s
"She took on that she wasn't good enough for Gerard," psychologist Elizabeth Nutting said of Mrs Baden-Clay #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 41s
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her "I'm the problem". #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 55s
Ms Nutting is discussing panic attacks. She says the person can think they are having a heart attack, they struggle to breath. #badenclay

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
Defence highlighting that Gerard told Ms Nutting he wanted to fix the marriage #badenclay




Yeah riiiight. jmo

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 47s
Allison said she would be sick before ballet #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 58s
Ms Nutting says Allison told her she "couldn't move with the depression" while in London after her wedding. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her for him it was like "who is this person?". #badenclay

 

[Amee]

IMO the first truthful thing GBC has said

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 41s
Ms Nutting says Gerard told her "I'm the problem". #badenclay