The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 17th June - Trial Day 5 - Week 2

[tarjessi]

and the chipped tooth

Yes indeed...and it would explain how the foliage from the carport ended up in her hair. I know placing her body on the ground in the carport could also have meant the foliage attached to her but it seemed as if there had been a struggle in that area. I wonder if the outside of the cars were tested for blood?

 

[Amee]

She said Ms Baden-Clay told her she was feeling “inadequate”, not good enough and believed she “let it happen”, that “Gerard’s way was the right way”, and that she “feared that one day he will leave”.

Ms Ritchie said Ms Baden-Clay told her she wanted to work on herself and “sort lots of issues, especially the parenting”.

She told the court she first worked on establishing rapport with her client and essentially spent the first session gathering information.

Ms Ritchie said she asked her client for a snapshot of who they might be, based loosely on three questions, which included discussing hobbies and interests and what they were good at.

She said Ms Baden-Clay told her she was a mother of three girls, who worked with her husband in a real estate agency, was a ballet dancer and teacher who was studying psychology at university, spoke two languages, and had a severe reaction to an anti-malarial drug on her honeymoon that resulted in chronic depression with psychotic episodes.

Ms Ritchie said she told her she had experienced panic attacks and her husband’s attitude was “get over it”.

She said Ms Baden-Clay told her she had seen a psychiatrist during her second pregnancy and lastly, that her husband had been having an affair for around three years.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231

 

[tarjessi]

I think GBC deliberately sought out dependent women who would be more likely to stay with him after he was found to have cheated / lied / treated them badly / etc .. I can see this trait in both TM and ABC .. both women wanted to continue the relationship with him even after his lies / cheating was exposed .. this is because he chose them for this very trait.

I think you are right in some ways Mrs G Norris but I just don't want to paint Toni and Allison with the same brush if you know what I mean. Toni is devious, poor Allison was struggling to meet the unrealistic expectations of her husband.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

It won't take much longer and defence will suggest that it was Toni that had reason to kill Allison!

Hmm, yes I am wondering if they are leading to trying to put the blame on her. Not even as much as killing Allison, but that she masterminded it. Threatened him, told him to get rid of her..... And he was the weakling, that she was controlling and unhinged.

 

[squizzey1]

Don't forget that Olivia said Allison didn't drive but Gerard said after she found out about the affair and started working with him he would contact Toni when she went on the school run.

hi bayside and everyone
what is that garbage about Allison didn't drive don't follow sorry and bayside bring back the boat Pleeeessssssssssss

 

[tarjessi]

Just reading through the live feed - the defence was hammering Toni today. Interesting to see where they are going with this argument...are they going to try and say that Toni caused Allison to commit suicide? That would be so far fetched...I would expect the prosecution to be hammering her...

 

[bikerchick]

Don't forget that Olivia said Allison didn't drive but Gerard said after she found out about the affair and started working with him he would contact Toni when she went on the school run.

Funny how I saw her driving all over Kenmore and Brookfield. Very strange.

 

[Kimster]

Toni didn't say that GBC mentioned Allison's depression, did she? Or did I miss that?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Ms Nutting said Ms Baden-Clay told her that during her honeymoon to America

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231

I say what the? again lol. Ahh, maybe they went over the boarder to Mexico. :yes:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Toni didn't say that GBC mentioned Allison's depression, did she? Or did I miss that?

GBC might have implied it for the reason they weren't having sex?

 

[tarjessi]

Toni didn't say that GBC mentioned Allison's depression, did she? Or did I miss that?

In yesterday's live feed I saw that Toni said that Gerard had informed the entire office...how awful for Allison. Gerard telling the office humiliates Allison and garners sympathy for himself...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think you are right in some ways Mrs G Norris but I just don't want to paint Toni and Allison with the same brush if you know what I mean. Toni is devious, poor Allison was struggling to meet the unrealistic expectations of her husband.

Also, we'll never know .. maybe Allison had decided to leave him on that last night?

 

[tarjessi]

3:24pm: "Was there any discussion about him leaving his wife?" Mr Fuller asked.
Ms McHugh replied: "Yes Gerard was very fearful of Allison not being able to manage the pressure of a divorce. He had voiced concerns about her mental strength ... I was very aware of Allison's depression from day one, when Gerard told us all about her illness, but he was very concerned that she wouldn't handle it and [how] that would impact on the girls.''

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-4-week-2-20140616-3a6an.html#ixzz34rnFqdn9

That to me implies he told everyone about Allison's illness...

BBM

So Toni states that she knew Allison was fragile, knew it would impact their kids and STILL persisted...what a piece of work. I think she has NPD...

 

[bikerchick]

I say what the? again lol. Ahh, maybe they went over the boarder to Mexico. :yes:

Prime, think I read somewhere they went to South America. Hence the use of Lariam. Working for Flight Centre would have afforded them some good deals I am sure.

 

[Zim]

I also wonder if maybe they had their 15 minute meetings chatting out in the car so the kids didn't hear? I think that is where the fight has occurred where he killed her and loaded her straight into the car. Has a facetime chat with Dad about how to get rid of the body...or asking for a hand to move the body.

That is an interesting theory ! :scared:
Killed in front of car, dragged around to boot (trunk) or he clobbers her and they fight behind the car ? (She scratches him, falls to ground, collects plant stuff in hair ?) Makes a lot of sense.

Did Al go to the car to put the ball gowns in so that she did not forget them ? (She had only recently been talking to her friend about returning them the next day.)

I think the facetime call never happened however....Allison's phone's last call was to Olivia (I think ?) so maybe GBC phone Livvie with Al's phone....dunno ? IMOO

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

Toni didn't say that GBC mentioned Allison's depression, did she? Or did I miss that?

Yep, was in her testimony.

"Gerard was very adamant that he didn't have a relationship with his wife," Ms McHugh said.
"He voiced concerns about her mental health. I was aware of her depression from day one."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/baden-clay-murder-trial-insurance-forms/5525598

 

[tarjessi]

Also, we'll never know .. maybe Allison had decided to leave him on that last night?

Very true, maybe that is what he was always fearful of - he would be facing financial ruin in a divorce.

 

[squizzey1]

GBC might have implied it for the reason they weren't having sex?

mmmmmmmmmmm why the request for the STD test when she found out about the affair , don't need an std test if u aint doin it

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Prime, think I read somewhere they went to South America. Hence the use of Lariam. Working for Flight Centre would have afforded them some good deals I am sure.

TY, that makes sense.
Poor Allison, it should have been fun but it was hell! It started off bad and ended even worse.

 

[Kimster]

3:24pm: "Was there any discussion about him leaving his wife?" Mr Fuller asked.
Ms McHugh replied: "Yes Gerard was very fearful of Allison not being able to manage the pressure of a divorce. He had voiced concerns about her mental strength ... I was very aware of Allison's depression from day one, when Gerard told us all about her illness, but he was very concerned that she wouldn't handle it and [how] that would impact on the girls.''

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-4-week-2-20140616-3a6an.html#ixzz34rnFqdn9

That to me implies he told everyone about Allison's illness...

BBM

Oh yes! Now that you wrote it, I recall this testimony. :cheers: