The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 18th June - Trial Day 6, Week 2

[Oddsocks]

So I guess part if it is up to what resources are available?

Well I am in southwest Sydney hahahaha

 

[ollijack]

I'm wondering if the lights were on all night in the BC house?
A pity neighbours hadn't noticed.

 

[marlywings]

Address of offence: CREEK - KHOLO CREEK, MOUNT CROSBY,QLD 4306
Is there a map with the location of where ABC was found?
Or coordinates and I can look up a map?
TIA :seeya:

These two threads are loaded with photos, maps & media reports...

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[they'll get you]

I think someone else must have been involved after Allison's death. Her body was taken to Kholo Creek but I wonder if it was someone else, not GBC. If one of the girls had woken up and someone other than their parents was there they would remember. However, if they woke up and came out and Daddy said "shh, Mummy's asleep, go back to bed' they would be none the wiser.
I don't think Olivia knew what happened until later, if at all. I don't think she would risk being convicted of a crime and spend time in gaol away from her own children.

Something woke a daughter because she got up for a drink water. Maybe she used that excuse just to see if mummy was OK.

 

[laserdisc10]

I get what you mean. In my thinking though, it would be stranger (and pretty dumb) for her to say that comment in seriousness. I mean, I'm sure the lady is no fool - if her brother really said that then I think she'd have the sense to not repeat it.

I truly think the tone of the comment has been lost in translation to text - I'm thinking she didn't even consider how such a thing would sound minus the sarcastic tone she used (imo).

Of course, I don't know what actually happened, but this scenario seems to make the most sense. It was a stupid, rash and smart a** comment - just my humble opinion

It might not even come into play during the trial. Might not be considered relevant, who knows

Back in the day, though, when we heard rumours about 'walk, hole, not coming back', we were shocked to the core and rightly so, imo. Most of us have had children, or nieces, nephews, etc. We know we need to be careful about what we say, because children take us literally. And not as if GBC and OBW weren't accustomed to children

Personally, I feel she did say it. And to top it off, concluded with 'Is that Ok?' according to Ash's statement. But he dutifully wrote it all down

 

[laserdisc10]

Something woke a daughter because she got up for a drink water. Maybe she used that excuse just to see if mummy was OK.

I've always thought that to be a strong possibility too

 

[FigTree]

No worries about the location - I think I found it on a map - where the Brisbane River, Little Ugly River and Kholo Creek intersect, there is a road bridge there on Mt Crosby Road.
Cheers and thanks for the help Freya and Marlywings
.

 

[Thinking]

I think someone else must have been involved after Allison's death. Her body was taken to Kholo Creek but I wonder if it was someone else, not GBC. If one of the girls had woken up and someone other than their parents was there they would remember. However, if they woke up and came out and Daddy said "shh, Mummy's asleep, go back to bed' they would be none the wiser.
I don't think Olivia knew what happened until later, if at all. I don't think she would risk being convicted of a crime and spend time in gaol away from her own children.

Lp you have reminded me - Mr Mason from Anstead gave his evidence last week. He is the one who lives near Kholo creek and his dog(s) went berserk that night. He also heard voices from the direction of the bridge. Anyway, his wife is one of the people who allegedly saw two 4wds driving closely and slowly out that way at 4am on the Friday. She didn't appear as a witness did she? I wonder if she will?

 

[LadyBird1]

I'm wondering about Allison's chipped eye tooth with sharp edge - as the forensic dentist said.

A picture was missing off the wall when Allison's mother arrived. Was that picture used as a weapon by GBC?
I say Gerrid instead of Allison because the picture held particular significance to Allison. So it would be unlikely Allison would tear it down and take an argument outside. The picture was alluding to looking forward to the future with a back to the past. (The notion might have stuck in his craw so to speak. The notion of hindsight or foresight I mean.)

 

[Freya1977]

Just type Kholo Creek Bridge into Google maps

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Actually here you go....

http://goo.gl/maps/x Inc

 

[laserdisc10]

A picture was missing off the wall when Allison's mother arrived. Was that picture used as a weapon by GBC?
I say Gerrid instead of Allison because the picture held particular significance to Allison. So it would be unlikely Allison would tear it down and take an argument outside. The picture was alluding to looking forward to the future with a back to the past. (The notion might have stuck in his craw so to speak. The notion of hindsight or foresight I mean.)

Could it have been knocked from the wall in a struggle?

Then, when the 'cleaners' arrived, might they have hung it in the wrong place?

 

[Thinking]

In today's Telegraph it states, Ms McHugh said "GBC had told her in June of 2012 about affairs with two other women". At the time he had just rekindled his relationship with Ms McHugh after a break of several months.

Yet, I feel sure I read she claimed to be unaware of the other affairs until told by Police.

Yes the police told her first, think it was in May or early June 2012. Then she arranged to meet with GBC (can't recall which of them instigated it) in one of the agency's rental properties in the Valley. Here, in June, not long before the arrest, she confronted him about what the police had told her.

 

[Freya1977]

It might not even come into play during the trial. Might not be considered relevant, who knows

Back in the day, though, when we heard rumours about 'walk, hole, not coming back', we were shocked to the core and rightly so, imo. Most of us have had children, or nieces, nephews, etc. We know we need to be careful about what we say, because children take us literally. And not as if GBC and OBW weren't accustomed to children

Personally, I feel she did say it. And to top it off, concluded with 'Is that Ok?' according to Ash's statement. But he dutifully wrote it all down

I don't think anyone is denying SHE said it, it's whether she just made up a smart a** comment, or whether Gerard said it and she was repeating it that is under discussion......

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[laserdisc10]

I don't think anyone is denying SHE said it, it's whether she just made up a smart a** comment, or whether Gerard said it and she was repeating it that is under discussion......

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Wondered if anyone would pick-up on that boo boo that I couldn't be bothered editing


so --- I believe she said it straight faced as an accurate rendition of what Gerard had told the girls

Others don't

Doesn't matter either way. Just conversation

 

[Humdinger]

Yes the police told her first, think it was in May or early June 2012. Then she arranged to meet with GBC (can't recall which of them instigated it) in one of the agency's rental properties in the Valley. Here, in June, not long before the arrest, she confronted him about what the police had told her.

She was aware that he slept with someone in Sydney at a conference because he called her and told her and convinced her to fly down that day...
Seriously, as if you would? It's sad really...

 

[they'll get you]

I'm wondering if the lights were on all night in the BC house?
A pity neighbours hadn't noticed.

Oli it's a crying shame nobody listened or watched that little bit harder.
Cross our fingers our police have a couple of trump cards waiting to be played.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

If Alison was smothered in bed there would be a fairly immediate bodily response from the various orifices so the sheets would be soiled. Sorry for the ick factor but several sites I googled said upon death, the body releases its sphincters. Dr Watson will be a good respondent to set me straight..... gross....again sorry

 

[Minerva]

The case is based on circumstantial evidence, and the prosecution is slowly adding to its case with each new witness. I believe the prosecution is being very methodical in its approach, building a clearer picture step by step. Finally, all the disparate strands will be woven together in the closing argument. Take heart "beyond reasonable doubt" does not mean that no doubt exists as to the guilt of the accused, only that no reasonable doubt is possible from the evidence presented.

I'm watching The Good Wife...it seems wonderfully apropos to paraphrase a discussion the State's Attorney's office was having regarding prosecution strategy. They said you don't want to show all your crime scene photos at one, you want to slowly dazzle the jury, make them feel responsible....

Perhaps this is what is happening with this case.

The Good Wife teaches all sorts of useful things, not just taking the fifth...

 

[Ippygal]

Wow it's taken me hours to catch up!!! Nothing new to add, I've been glued to my iPad since I got home at 330pm- completely ignoring my child (she's ok, we're staying at Nannys lol) just want to say a massive thanks for everyone being so on the ball and keeping us all up to date- I haven't even bothered watching the news, coz you guys are all over it!!! Love your work!!!! Until tomorrow sleuthers!!

 

[Snails]

She was aware that he slept with someone in Sydney at a conference because he called her and told her and convinced her to fly down that day...
Seriously, as if you would? It's sad really...

Obviously there are some desperate woman out there. "Just saying" (as my teens say to me.)