The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 7th July - Trial Day 15

[Freya1977]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 57s
So we will play it one more time to concentrate on those issues - defence #badenclay
Appears a red pot plant is deposited at the site and then moved - defence #badenclay

 

[JK673]

This is where I speculated yesterday that the prosecution was going to come undone. Insufficient botanical surveying and the failure to investigate Ms Apps' admission effectively killed off 2 of the prosecutions strongest leads.

Even if you argued that the Ms Apps' evidence was not necessarily fatal to the prosecution cause in itself, if it had come to light earlier then I am quite certain that the PT would have restructured their case in a not insignificant manner. I'm sure Messrs Boyle and Fuller wanted to tear their hair out when informed that investigators had completely overlooked something so vital.

The PT did a lot of botanical surveying - The defence have a problem in that their "tidal" video is COMPLETELY incorrect!

 

[Total]

This is where I speculated yesterday that the prosecution was going to come undone. Insufficient botanical surveying and the failure to investigate Ms Apps' admission effectively killed off 2 of the prosecutions strongest leads.

Even if you argued that the Ms Apps' evidence was not necessarily fatal to the prosecution cause in itself, if it had come to light earlier then I am quite certain that the PT would have restructured their case in a not insignificant manner. I'm sure Messrs Boyle and Fuller wanted to tear their hair out when informed that investigators had completely overlooked something so vital.

Sorry JCB I don't get what is so vital?

 

[Freya1977]

Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 1m
Jury watching time lapse again - asked to concentrate on area where body found showing lots of passing debris. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 33s
Defence barrister Michael Byrne explaining how leaves may have ended up on Allison's body, other than being from her own garden #badenclay

 

[JK673]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 50s
Byrne plays the footage again. Points out areas where debris is deposited on the bank and taken away again. #badenclay

Please prosecution - the Defence are relying HEAVILY on this - blow it out of the water please please please

 

[JCB]

and the botanist is a bloke from Olivia's church???

That could be the case (I'm unsure), but remember that he was commissioned by the Crown, not GBC.

 

[Anonthemouse]

I wonder if any jury member has wanted to say oi you think we're stupid mate?

 

[Freya1977]

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 1m
Kayakers flit through the timelapse video of Kholo Creek, and a pot plant floats past. #badenclay

 

[JK673]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 12s
Byrne says the pathologist described the plant material as being stuck within Allison's hair. #badenclay

 

[Freya1977]

This is where I speculated yesterday that the prosecution was going to come undone. Insufficient botanical surveying and the failure to investigate Ms Apps' admission effectively killed off 2 of the prosecutions strongest leads.

Even if you argued that the Ms Apps' evidence was not necessarily fatal to the prosecution cause in itself, if it had come to light earlier then I am quite certain that the PT would have restructured their case in a not insignificant manner. I'm sure Messrs Boyle and Fuller wanted to tear their hair out when informed that investigators had completely overlooked something so vital.

Are we watching the same trial? LOL

The prosecutions botanical evidence was much stronger than this horsecr**p

 

[JK673]

and the botanist is a bloke from Olivia's church???

The videographer and tidal crap was from the church

 

[JCB]

Sorry JCB I don't get what is so vital?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-Discussion-Thread-4&p=10708406#post10708406

 

[Freya1977]

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 1m
Defence's Byrne: the time-lapse shows in a graphic way the movement of debris on creek bank where Allison's body found. #badenclay

 

[RR0004]

Sorry to be a bother. but now that closing arguments are in full swing, did the prosecution not cross examine the defense's witnesses. Did I miss a day...or two? Is that not done? TIA

 

[JK673]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Byrne says initial police at the scene talked about getting to Allison's body before the tide rose. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
Byrne is now referring to evidence from an engineer who looked at tide charts. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 6s
Byrne says the engineer said he couldn't tell if the body was below the high tide mark. #badenclay

WTF does an engineer have to do with tides???

 

[Freya1977]

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 49s
Defence barrister Michael Byrne has now been delivering his closing argument to the jury for about 3.5 hours. End not in sight. #badenclay

 

[Freya1977]

Sorry to be a bother. but now that closing arguments are in full swing, did the prosecution not cross examine the defense's witnesses. Did I miss a day...or two? Is that not done? TIA

Yes they did - you must have missed it...

 

[alioop]

So Allison's hair wasn't completely covered by her jumper? That seems to be what Byrne is suggesting if he is pointing out her hair in the photo.

 

[Trooper]

That could be the case (I'm unsure), but remember that he was commissioned by the Crown, not GBC.

that is incorrect.. Ashton Ward.. the botanist is the defence botanist.

 

[Freya1977]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 39s
Large pieces of debris move up and down the creek, very different to the evidence from hydrologist Martin Giles - defence #badenclay