The Cuts

[Mary456]

I think she did get cut somewhere while stabbing Devon. I don't know if it was the arm or what. I hadn't thought about it being on the same arm as her stabbing hand. There appears to be a hesitation wound above the cut on her arm also. The bruises on his feet and the cut on his buttocks means he fought with her, doesn't it?

Most people believe that Devon did fight back, myself included, although I don't think he put up a huge struggle. The defensive wounds on his arm & the back of his thigh look like he raised his arms and legs to block the knife.

I'd have to read his autopsy report again, but it seemed there was a question as to whether those were bruises on his feet, or just the result of lividity. Can't remember...it's been a long time since I read it.

Do you have any ideas how Darlie could have received the wound on the side of her right arm if she was holding the knife in her right hand? (She was right handed). I've tried and tried, but just can't picture how it could accidentally happen in a struggle with Damon. And if it was self-inflicted - which I'm convinced of - why on earth did she use her left hand to do it? Arghhh, drives me crazy :banghead:

 

[Cowgirl]

Most people believe that Devon did fight back, myself included, although I don't think he put up a huge struggle. The defensive wounds on his arm & the back of his thigh look like he raised his arms and legs to block the knife.

I'd have to read his autopsy report again, but it seemed there was a question as to whether those were bruises on his feet, or just the result of lividity. Can't remember...it's been a long time since I read it.

Do you have any ideas how Darlie could have received the wound on the side of her right arm if she was holding the knife in her right hand? (She was right handed). I've tried and tried, but just can't picture how it could accidentally happen in a struggle with Damon. And if it was self-inflicted - which I'm convinced of - why on earth did she use her left hand to do it? Arghhh, drives me crazy :banghead:

If she were trying to make it look like someone else wounded her, she could put the knife in the unnatural hand to make wounds on her body. All of her wounds are on the surface. None of them is anything like the terrible deep stabbing wounds her boys sustained.

 

[Mary456]

If she were trying to make it look like someone else wounded her, she could put the knife in the unnatural hand to make wounds on her body.

That's a real possibility. My first reaction was that Darlie wouldn't have the presence of mind to do that, but then I remembered that she was devious enough to cut the screen, as well as her t-shirt. (that's a subject we haven't touched on yet, but it's an interesting one. Cuts in the t-shirt, but no corresponding injuries to her body). Darlie was such a little rascal.

Anyway, good observation, Cowgirl.

 

[beesy]

If she were trying to make it look like someone else wounded her, she could put the knife in the unnatural hand to make wounds on her body. All of her wounds are on the surface. None of them is anything like the terrible deep stabbing wounds her boys sustained.

I was reading this thinking I answered this already. Forgot it was in a PM to Mary. I agree using the other hand to cut the dominant arm would, in her mind, make us think it was some sort of defensive injury. The so-called killer had an easy mark with her lying on the sofa as she thinks she was, to stab deeply. Again, with the boobies in the way though ahem:angel: Hey great minds.... Lets all still think about an injury she may have gotten in the fight with Devon ok?

 

[sue1017]

Hey I was just reading that only Darlie's and Damon's blood was found on the knife found at the crime scene. What happened to the knife that was used to kill Devon? Where the boys stabs wounds done by the same type of weapon?
S

 

[beesy]

Hey I was just reading that only Darlie's and Damon's blood was found on the knife found at the crime scene. What happened to the knife that was used to kill Devon? Where the boys stabs wounds done by the same type of weapon?

The ME said they were both stabbed with a similar knife, and even Darlie says the attaker had the butcher knife from her house in his hand. Most people believe in the 2-attack theory which is: Devon was stabbed by Darlie, it appears he fought, possibly cutting her, then she stabbed Damon in the back :chicken: and believing him to be dead, started thinking about herself. Let's see....I'm cut so I have pretend to be a victim, then maybe realized the sock had blood on it, ran down the alley to throw it away, cut the screen with the bread knife, put that back in the butcher block then most likely cut her neck at the kitchen sink, rinsed off the knife, wiped up the counter and sink, called 911, maybe at some point during the call, realized Damon was crawling towards her and stabbed him again, the FATAL blow. Hateful woman! This explains why only hers and Damon's blood was on the knife. Devon's had been washed down the sink. Blood was detected by Luminol on the counter and in the sink, but it couldn't be tested. It's not really there anymore, just the image
Alot of people believe she staged the scene before slitting her throat, then called 911 earlier than planned because it was bleeding more than she thought it would. She was wiping up the counter and the sink, rinsing the knife, stabbing Damon while on the phone. Either theory explains the lack of Devon's blood on the knife. She was bleeding when she stabbed Damon that final time. Her blood was on top of his.

 

[beesy]

That's a real possibility. My first reaction was that Darlie wouldn't have the presence of mind to do that, but then I remembered that she was devious enough to cut the screen, as well as her t-shirt. (that's a subject we haven't touched on yet, but it's an interesting one. Cuts in the t-shirt, but no corresponding injuries to her body). Darlie was such a little rascal.

Anyway, good observation, Cowgirl.

I know: the cuts on her shirt. I don't even know where to begin on that one. Anybody? A rascal? My but aren't you nice Miss Mary

 

[sue1017]

Beesy,

I like your first thought on this. About her cleaning the knife after stabbing the boys. Then she realized that Damon was still crawling around and therefore had to stab him again. Hence, Hers and Damon's blood only on the knife. Make total sense.

I wonder what your opinion is on the part of 911 call where she is saying (either stating or asking) 'he's dead'! Is she making a statement or asking a question?

Let me know what you think.

Sue

 

[Dani_T]

Just a couple of things-

They only found Damon and Darlie's blood on the knife but there is a possibility that they missed some of Devon's blood on it depending on how well it was tested (for example they didn't lift the handle to see if any blood had seeped down).

Secondly, just a note with your first timeline Beesy- Darlie could not have cut her neck before running the sock out because she would have been bleeding too profusely at that stage to not leave a blood trail

 

[kelizabeth]

:dance: I am a neeeewbie! Always been interested in this case. Who is CWB? Why would he mess with autopsy photos. I know, I am probably asking a typical newbie question, but any new friend want to catch me up?

 

[beesy]

:dance: I am a neeeewbie! Always been interested in this case. Who is CWB? Why would he mess with autopsy photos. I know, I am probably asking a typical newbie question, but any new friend want to catch me up

Welcome! Christopher Wayne Brown is a person who put together some letters, called them words, added some pix, pasted it all together and after self-editing and self-publishing ended up with what he calls a book. We have no proof, but some of the pix seem a little doctored to slant things Darlie's way. He briefly explains how he got the pix. Says he took pix of photos from somebody. Any good or bad author knows you need to credit the pix under each one in captions. Printing pix of pix to use for a book makes it easier to manipulate, dont ya think? The whole thing is nearly impossible to wade thru, but it's a good tool for researching. Be strong and don't get sucked in!

 

[Dani_T]

Welcome! Christopher Wayne Brown is a person who put together some letters, called them words, added some pix, pasted it all together and after self-editing and self-publishing ended up with what he calls a book. We have no proof, but some of the pix seem a little doctored to slant things Darlie's way. He briefly explains how he got the pix. Says he took pix of photos from somebody. Any good or bad author knows you need to credit the pix under each one in captions. Printing pix of pix to use for a book makes it easier to manipulate, dont ya think? The whole thing is nearly impossible to wade thru, but it's a good tool for researching. Be strong and don't get sucked in!

Actually he put together mainly a whole stack of media articles about the Routier murders and then added juvenile comments throughout them (in red ink). He also has some correspondence from Darlie and a few other photos.

Kelizabeth- The only worthwhile thing in the book is the crime scene photos and even those aren't great quality (he copied them from the court evidence archives). Furthermore a stack of them are labelled incorrectly (which can only be because he hasn't bothered to understand the transcripts properly).

If you get the book don't bother reading the text- it's pointless. Also be wary of the photos themselves because the colouring is off in some of them (whether deliberate or not).

 

[beesy]

Just a couple of things-

They only found Damon and Darlie's blood on the knife but there is a possibility that they missed some of Devon's blood on it depending on how well it was tested (for example they didn't lift the handle to see if any blood had seeped down).

Right, and although they usually don't need much blood to test, they do need some. If most of it was rinsed off and they didn't check down the handle, then there was nothing for them to find. Doesn't mean it wasn't there or that there was another knife.

Secondly, just a note with your first timeline Beesy- Darlie could not have cut her neck before running the sock out because she would have been bleeding too profusely at that stage to not leave a blood trail

Thanks for catching that! I don't know why I wrote it like that. I've never thought that she cut herself then ran around staging things. I changed it. So thanks!:doh:

 

[beesy]

Actually he put together mainly a whole stack of media articles about the Routier murders and then added juvenile comments throughout them (in red ink). He also has some correspondence from Darlie and a few other photos.

Yep, many media articles. The things he fusses about have nothing to do with LE's performance or methods. He plays with it enough to make you wonder for just a sec though. Be strong I guess we're all trying to say "take it with a grain of salt"

 

[beesy]

Beesy,

I like your first thought on this. About her cleaning the knife after stabbing the boys. Then she realized that Damon was still crawling around and therefore had to stab him again. Hence, Hers and Damon's blood only on the knife. Make total sense.

I wonder what your opinion is on the part of 911 call where she is saying (either stating or asking) 'he's dead'! Is she making a statement or asking a question?

Let me know what you think.

Sue

Ok, I'm pasting cami's post here. If I'm not supposed to, I'll delete it. She hears some different things than the transcript, but Darlie approved everything but the "fighting" part. I've heard some of the things cami has listed here, but cannot hear the "DAMON DAMON DAMON" which is where many people think she noticed Damon was alive. It's very short, not loving. I'm still trying to hear it. I think alot of people hear it. Listen to the tape thinking she did it. The first time I did that, I finally heard how fake it is. Note the very clear, "Darin someone came in here..blahblah" then the quick return to hysteria.

I'm going to take some liberities with the 911 transcript and post what I and others have heard.
OO:OO:OO COl: ...Rowlett 911...what is your emergency...
00:01:19 FC: ...somebody came here...they broke in...
00:03:27 COl: ...ma'am...
00:05:ll FC: ...they just stabbed me and my children...
00:07:16 COl: ...what...
00:08:05 FC: ...they just stabbed me and my kids...my little boys...
00:09:24 COl: ...who...who did...
00:11:12 FC: ...my little boy is dying...Darlie actually says " someone" not "my little boy is dying"
00:11:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) clear...
00:13:07 COl: ...hang on...hang on...hang on...
00:15:03 FC: ...hurry...(unintelligible)..
00:16:01 COl: ...stand by for medical emergency..
00:18:11 FC: ...ma'am...
00:18:19 COl: ...hang on ma'am...
00:21:26 FC: ...ma'am...

00:23:00 COl: ...unknown medical emergency...5801 Eagle Drive...
00:24:00 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
00:26:24 FC: ...ma'am...
00:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...I'm trying to get an ambulance to you...hang on a minute...
00:28:20 RADIO: ...(siren)...
00:29:13 FC: ...oh my God...my babies are dying...
00:30:12 MC: ...(unintelligible)...--Darlie actually says "they're dead"? She says it in a very high voice and questioning, imo
00:31:09 COl: ...what's going on ma'am...
00:32:13 FC: ...(unintelligible)...oh my God...
00:33:49 RADIO: ...(tone - signal broadcast)...
00:34:0l BV: ...(unintelligible)...
00:35:20 FC: ...(unintelligible) thought he was dead...oh my God...Darlie actually says "he's seven year's old and he's dead"... oh my God

00:39:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:39:29 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)..."who did it Darin"
00:40:22 COl: ...attention 90l unknown medical emergency 5801...
00:42:23 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:43:15 FC: ...I don't even know (unintelligible)..."who did it Darin"
00:44:04 COl: ...Eagle Drive...Box 238...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...attention 90l medical emergency...
00:49:28 FC: ...who was breathing...She does not say "who is breathing"
00:50:l0 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
00:51:15 FC: ...(unintelligible) are they still laying there (unintelligible)...She says "we gotta find out who did this"
00:51:19 COl: ...may be possible stabbing...5801 Eagle Drive...Box 238...
cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...
00:55:06 FC: ...oh my God...what do we do...
00:57:17 COl: ...time out 2:32...
00:58:26 FC: ...oh my God...
00:58:28 COl: ...stamp me a card Clint...0l:0l:02 COl: ...80...
01:01:16 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:02:13 FC: ...oh my God...
01:03:05 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:04:07 COl: ...need units going towards 5801 Eagle Drive...5801 Eagle Drive...
01:04:07 FC: ...oh my God...my baby's dead...
01:07:08 FC: ...Damon...hold on honey...
01:08:ll MC: ...(unitelligible)...Darin is saying "get somebody"
01:08:22 COl: ...hysterical female on the phone..
01:10:03 FC: ...hold on...
01:10:10 MC: ...(unitelligible)...
01:10:26 COl: ...says her child has been stabbed...
01:ll:28 FC: ...I saw them Darie[sic]...--Darin
01:12:21 MC: ...oh my God...(unintelligible) ..came in here...

Somewhere in here Darin says "he can't make it they don't get somebody here.


01:14:10 COl: ...ma'am...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
01:14:24 RADIO: ....
01:16:25 FC: ...ok...
01:16:26 SND: ...(unintelligible)...
01:17:12 COl: ...twice Clint...
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01:18:26 FC: ...didn't you get my address...
01:20:19 COl: ...5801 Eagle...
01:22:00 FC: ...yes...we need help...
01:22:03 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) will be enroute code...
01:24:20 FC: ...Darin...I don't know who it was...
01:24:2 COl: ...2:33 code...
01:26:15 FC: ...we got to find out who it was...
01:27:12 COl: ...ma'am...
01:28:04 COl: ...ma'am listen...listen to me...
01:29:27 FC: ...yes...yes...(unintelligible)...
01:30:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) I'm clear... do you need anything...
01:32:08 MC: ...(unintelligible)...
01:32:20 FC: ...oh my God...
01:34:00 COl: ...(unintelligible)...
01:34:22 COl: ...do you take the radio Clint...
01:35:23 CO2: ...yes...
01:36:12 FC: ...oh my God...
01:36:25 COl: ...I...ma'am...
01:38:03 FC: ...yes...
01:38:17 COl: ...I need you to...
01:38:23 RADIO: ...(unintelligible) start that way (unintelligible)...will revise...
01:39:28 COl: ...I need you to talk to me..

01:41:21 FC: ...what...what...what...

Right after this "what, what, what, Darlie says Damon, Damon, Damon. On the second Damon, her voices is short, curt and sounds angry. I think but have been unable to confirm it that she tells Darin that Damon is still alive or is still breathing.

01:44:25 RADIO: ...(unintelligible)...
01:44:28 FC: ...my babies are dead (unintelligible)...
01:46:20 RADIO: ...go ahead and start that way...siren code 4...advise...
01:47:10 FC: ....(unintelligible)...
01:48:03 FC: ...(unintelligible) do you want honey... hold on (unintelligible)...
01:49:17 COl: ...ma'am...I can't understand you...
01:50:21 FC: . ..yes...

That's as far as I have done with the 911 call that I can remember right off hand. I will have another listen and see what else I heard. I don't have a transcript made. I have it burned to a cd so it's a bit easier to hear. I know that Camilla has gone further so hopefully if she gets here she can add to mine.

 

[Goody]

I was reading this thinking I answered this already. Forgot it was in a PM to Mary. I agree using the other hand to cut the dominant arm would, in her mind, make us think it was some sort of defensive injury. The so-called killer had an easy mark with her lying on the sofa as she thinks she was, to stab deeply. Again, with the boobies in the way though ahem:angel: Hey great minds.... Lets all still think about an injury she may have gotten in the fight with Devon ok?

The little fingernail marks on the underside of her chin are right where a child might try to push someone away leaning over him and hurting him. You grab what you can.

 

[beesy]

The little fingernail marks on the underside of her chin are right where a child might try to push someone away leaning over him and hurting him. You grab what you can.

Oooooh, that's very good, very good. Any marks or cuts no matter how small would be enough to force her into becoming a victim. How could an innocent sleeping mom get fingernail stratches on her chin, marks which matched Devon's fingers? Even Darlie knew the original plan was blown. But she still screwed up in the long run. Made too many errors staging the scene. Here's a hint for future killers: don't ever clean up blood. You might have a chance to explain spilled blood, but wiped up blood? Not a chance in BEEP remember this

 

[Goody]

Oooooh, that's very good, very good. Any marks or cuts no matter how small would be enough to force her into becoming a victim. How could an innocent sleeping mom get fingernail stratches on her chin, marks which matched Devon's fingers? Even Darlie knew the original plan was blown. But she still screwed up in the long run. Made too many errors staging the scene. Here's a hint for future killers: don't ever clean up blood. You might have a chance to explain spilled blood, but wiped up blood? Not a chance in BEEP remember this

If I remember correctly, she claimed they were scratches from the intruder as he stuffed the sock in her mouth, until she passed out, which explained why she didn't remember the attacks. She was unconscious! Or is that just a supporter claim after the fact? Whatever. I am just amazed the prosecutor didn't connect those little fingernail marks to Devon, but maybe he did and couldn't bring it in because she was not charged with Devon's death.

 

[Mary456]

The little fingernail marks on the underside of her chin are right where a child might try to push someone away leaning over him and hurting him. You grab what you can.

Only problem with the chin scratch is that there's no testimony, none whatsoever, that she had that scratch in the hospital. It doesn't show up until years later on the Justice for Darlie website and in CWB's book...and even he doesn't point it out!

If the police were thorough enough to photograph the tiny scratches on her left hand, do you think they would have ignored an obvious scratch on her chin? Remember that photo on her website where her head is back and they're begging you to see her swollen lips? That photo wasn't admitted into evidence...it's another example of supporters' willingness to use any means to trick and confuse.

I think we've been duped again.

 

[Mary456]

If I remember correctly, she claimed they were scratches from the intruder as he stuffed the sock in her mouth, until she passed out, which explained why she didn't remember the attacks. She was unconscious! Or is that just a supporter claim after the fact? b]

That's just a supporter claim after the fact, Goody. Darlie never claimed an intruder stuffed a sock in her mouth. She never complained of a chin cut or mouth cuts or a raw mouth when she was in the hospital.

All of that baloney is courtesy of her supporters. After so many years of hearing their B.S, it's difficult to separate fact from fiction...which is what they're counting on :boohoo: