The danger of a closed mind

[Eagle1]

I think there's a very simple explanation about how a perp could know where everything was in the house, including the yellow writing pads.

He was evidently at the party on the 23rd, memorizing everything, may even have asked JonBenet for a tour he didn't really need and molested her, reason she was, according to Janet McReynolds, crying and not feeling pretty. I'd guess that he figured the child would have forgotten about it by Christmas Day night.

Just a thought fwiw.

 

[tipper]

I think there's a very simple explanation about how a perp could know where everything was in the house, including the yellow writing pads.

He was evidently at the party on the 23rd, memorizing everything, may even have asked JonBenet for a tour he didn't really need and molested her, reason she was, according to Janet McReynolds, crying and not feeling pretty. I'd guess that he figured the child would have forgotten about it by Christmas Day night.

Just a thought fwiw.

It's interesting that in the 3 piece article Janet McR wrote covering the party etc she didn't mention anything about crying and not feeling pretty.

 

[sharpar]

WS may be a lot of things but it certainly isnt closed minded. Just because
we have come to a conculsion doesnt mean that we will forever stay there.
As other FACTS become known then its possible to change our minds.

I too would like this case solved, questions answered and resolution.
But mostly I want the murderer convicted of the crime that was comitted.
It galls me that a monster is walking around in freedom.

 

[Toltec]

Part of the staging process in JonBenet's murder was the "undoing" of the crime. The loose cords, the cord around her neck placed post-mortem, the careful wrapping of her body with her own blanket, changing her panties after washing her up.

From the Crime Classification Manual:

Undoing represents a form of personation with more obvious meaning. Undoing frequently occurs at the crime scene when ther is a close association between the offender and the victim or when the victime represents someone of significance to the offender. The following case exemplifies undoing: A son stabbed his mother to death during a fierce argument. After calming down, the son was hit by the full impact of his actions. First, he changed the bloodied victims shirt, then placed her body on the couch with the head on the pillow. He covered her with a blanket and folded her hands over her chest so she appeared to be sleeping peacefully. He displayed his remorse by attempting to emotionally undo the murder. Other forms of undoing include the offender washing up, cleaning the body, covering the victims face, or completely covering the body with something.


No doubt in my mind that a Ramsey was responsible for JonBenet's death.

 

[Paradox]

I don't think putting the hair up in that awkward manner, tying the cord that tight around the neck, placing cords on the wrist, no matter how loose one of them was, and placing the body in such an inhospitable place qualifies as UNdoing. That looks more like doing to me.

 

[aussiesheila]

It's interesting that in the 3 piece article Janet McR wrote covering the party etc she didn't mention anything about crying and not feeling pretty.

I don't suppose you have a link to that 3 piece article do you tipper? Is it on ACandyRose?

 

[tipper]

I don't suppose you have a link to that 3 piece article do you tipper? Is it on ACandyRose?

If this doesn't work, I have a copy.
http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1123&forum=DCForumID61

 

[Eagle1]

That's a link to Jameson's site and then to a report on Satanism and children that I can see why the poster of the link didn't completely read. I didn't manage to read all of it either. Gives you a bad feeling. Yikes!

But some of the posters at Jameson's are pointing out that both the McReynolds seemed to be making subtle judgemental remarks, such as that JonBenet seemed pensive, that nobody else said, and that Patsy seemed nervous and irritable due to her recent cancer ordeal, and McSanta's song that I guess he was teaching the children, was "Tis a Gift to be Simple", an old (Shaker?) song. Seems to me they were maybe trying to throw the Ramseys under the bus rather than the other way around.

Haven't we all known people who had some precious item stolen and were so frantic they kept saying, "It had to be somebody in this group"? I'm speaking of a man who moved into a retirement community, left a violin in a china cabinet, and none of us had been there in months. A realtor had a key, but somehow he wasn't suspecting him, he was just so upset.

 

[capps]

IMO,"throwing people under the bus",is an unfair phrase to be using toward the Ramsey's.

First off,the Ramsey's weren't randomly and voluntarily saying "I think this one may have done it!" They were being asked by the LE to think of anything,or anyone at all,that in hindsight seemed strange.

Secondly,and more importantly,we have to remember,a lot of the people the Ramsey's befriended in Boulder,were not life long friends from way back when.The Ramsey's only lived in Colorado for I believe five years? So some of these friends were only known to the Ramsey's for five years ... some less.Not alot of time to find out that some of them may have had weird skeletons in their closets.

In all honesty ... if it were me,after finding my daughter the way they did .... I would have no mercy,I would be spewing out anyone's name that I thought in the tinest way seemd strange. I may ruin some friendships along the way,but I would be doing all my apologizing after my daughters killer was in jail.

 

[tipper]

That's a link to Jameson's site and then to a report on Satanism and children that I can see why the poster of the link didn't completely read. I didn't manage to read all of it either. Gives you a bad feeling. Yikes!

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That link goes to a report on Satanism? That's odd - it just took me to Janet McReynold's 3 part article in the Denver Post. Can you post the Satanism link?

 

[Eagle1]

You're right, the upsetting article or report was by Janet McReynolds. So that's another rather strange thing about her. Some of us couldn't even read that, much less write it!

Some of the "friends" had been planning to have an "Intervention" after Christmas, feeling Patsy was making JonBenet do too much or something like that. I don't know if the McReynolds were in on that and getting an early start, in subtle ways, on criticizing Patsy, which I frankly suspect may have been in large part just plain old jealousy among the "friends". They weren't pushing their daughters at all to achieve anything. And I personally don't feel that's any better than what Patsy was doing with hers. Those who were allowed to be "just kids" do grow up to be pretty jealous of "over-achievers". But JonBenet had some of Patsy's genes, and was such a natural, I'm quite sure she enjoyed it all. To me, the choice of that song, "Tis a gift to be simple" was just a negative influence, and the "friends" should have minded their own business. No wonder they weren't considered above suspicion.

In reply to Capps' post above, Me too, Capps.

Editing to add that one of the posters at Jameson's who said names were carved on the harp MAY have been mistaken, and it may have been just notches, much easier, or my memory could be wrong. That's in another thread here, anyway.

 

[aussiesheila]

If this doesn't work, I have a copy.
http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1123&forum=DCForumID61

Thanks Tipper, Mrs Santa makes a bit of a thing about the secrets Santa told JonBenet doesn't she? Hmmm... obviously Santa didn't tell JonBenet anything about a forthcoming secret visit or Mrs Santa would have mentioned it in this article, wouldn't she?

 

[Eagle1]

My name's not Tipper, but a suggestion while we're waiting until Tipper comes along. Actually, Janet McReynolds didn't mention JonBenet's crying at the party either, in the article, is just whitewashing her husband and herself, almost like an alibi, and there's just no telling what all else she may have deliberately left out. Not saying they or anyone in particular did it. Just that imo everyone's under suspicion.

 

[sharpar]

So if one of your friends seems to have a problem with boundaries, treats
their daughter as an extension of herself, overschedules the child so there is no time to just be a little girl. Seems unaware of how others preceive her
choices you as a friend are going to just mind your own business ?

They were discussing an intervention, doesnt that signal to you that
Patsy treatment and behavior was outlandish enough to cause concern ?
And you only find fault with the friends ? Do you not even consider the possibility that the friends have good reason to be concerned ?

They were considered suspcious because they were conviently available by invitation no less . You dont find it odd that they are suspcious yet
are invited into the home to entertain the kids over and over again ?

 

[tipper]

So if one of your friends seems to have a problem with boundaries, treats
their daughter as an extension of herself, overschedules the child so there is no time to just be a little girl. Seems unaware of how others preceive her
choices you as a friend are going to just mind your own business ?

They were discussing an intervention, doesnt that signal to you that
Patsy treatment and behavior was outlandish enough to cause concern ?
And you only find fault with the friends ? Do you not even consider the possibility that the friends have good reason to be concerned ?

They were considered suspcious because they were conviently available by invitation no less . You dont find it odd that they are suspcious yet
are invited into the home to entertain the kids over and over again ?

Just what was JonBenet's schedule? Specifically, day by day.

I don't put much importance on the friends planning to talk to Patsy. I'm kind of sorry it didn't happen since I'd be curious to know if she'd send them packing with a flea in their ear. Ultra-PC Boulder vs Ultra Anti-PC Atlanta.

I remember sometime in the mid-90s getting a request to bring a goodie to one of my kids elementary school class parties. The list of what not to bring (candy, cupcakes, cookies sweetened with sugar) was hysterical. I said 'screw-it' and sent in cookies made with the dreaded real sugar. I'm sure if I had continued my wicked ways they would have considered me a candidate for an 'intervention' too.

The MacReynolds were considered suspicious because Santa had a habit and was inordinately fond of JonBenet, they failed to mention their daughter's abduction, they didn't have much of an alibi and Mrs McSanta had written a play that in some ways mirrored the crime. None of this was known to the Ramseys prior to the murder but I suspect if Patsy and John had known about the habit that would have been the end of his invitations.

 

[narlacat]

What kind of ' habit' did McSanta have??
Did I miss something?
He had a ' habit'.....because he bought a couple of stick mags??
That hardly makes him a sicko....lots of 'normal' people are into .

 

[tipper]

What kind of ' habit' did McSanta have??
Did I miss something?
He had a ' habit'.....because he bought a couple of stick mags??
That hardly makes him a sicko....lots of 'normal' people are into .

He bought enough that he was considered a regular at the local shop. I think it is quite odd too that he hid it all from his wife. What kind of relationship is that?

But the point is that they were considered suspicious for more reasons than just being available by invitation to the house.

 

[narlacat]

Who knows what kind of a relationship the McSanta's had, I don't think buying is indicitive of....anything.
Alot of guys hide those kind of mags in their work shop/garden shed etc.

Still, you are right...collectively they were suspicious.
Their child being abducted on the same day has always boggled my mind...
A very strange coincidence.

 

[Toltec]

Thanks Tipper, Mrs Santa makes a bit of a thing about the secrets Santa told JonBenet doesn't she? Hmmm... obviously Santa didn't tell JonBenet anything about a forthcoming secret visit or Mrs Santa would have mentioned it in this article, wouldn't she?

This secret Santa business started with the torn up letter in JonBenet's bedroom wastebasket. A letter was written and thought to have come with the little bear she received from AmeriKids.

Patsy also mentions Secret Santa sbut I have to look that up.

 

[Eagle1]

........
Alot of guys hide those kind of mags in their work shop/garden shed etc.

Still, you are right...collectively they were suspicious.
Their child being abducted on the same day has always boggled my mind...
A very strange coincidence.

I'm more interested in the duct tape thread, haven't been to this one in a day or two, but about this coincidence, have we ever had anyone expound on it very much? I for one wouldn't mind hearing more about it.