The Duggar Family: 18 Kids & Counting

  • #381
I remember reading that in the Beardsley family (the original Yours, Mine, and Ours family; it was a widower with 10 kids and a widow with 8 who married; then they had two kids in the marriage), kids were left to their own devices much of the time without much supervision, just because it was impossible for the parents to know who was where at all times. One man said he remembers at least one birthday being completely forgotten.

The Beardsleys all grew up happy and healthy (seem to have, anyway), and the Duggars seem very happy and healthy. I can't help but wonder how easy it is to be lost and forgotten in a sea of siblings.
 
  • #382
"I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see just how these children are being taught an education that would qualify them for anything in life other than how to pro-create, prepare a meal, and do housework." -someone on this forum

Look, it is only normal that there are many out here in cyberspace criticizing this family. PSUfan, I agree that many people out here seem "angry" or even "hostile". And you DO make some good points.

However, I think that many of us here grew up in the burbs, not the country. ANd while we can respect and admire some of the values of this family, I personally cannot understand restricting women and preventing them from going to college. There is nothing wrong with being a homemaker. I will be one someday, but I have 2 masters' degress and a beautiful carreer behind it. I also cannot understand the old-fashioned dress and hairstyle of the girls. It's just not..... today.

I am bothered that their "literal interpretation" of the Bible includes the men as the strongest rulers. I believe that the good word teaches us Harmony and Togetherness. They could very well teach their children that men and women are to be treated fairly and as equals.

With this, I'd like to also say that my Great-Grandma in Italy had 16 children under different circumstances. In essence, she was "raped" by her husband and was left a widow early on. Men were always the dominating ones, and I don't hear positive stories about this "big family".

MG
 
  • #383
The Duggars amaze me. While the lifestyle is certainly NOT for me (I have all I can handle with two kids and a husband), I admire them. They seem like wonderful parents and live what they preach. It takes a rare woman to have that many children and be happy, calm, patient, etc. God bless them. I find their family and their whole situation simply fascinating and inspiring.
I agree! They do seem like wonderful parents and I respect anyone who can do everything they do! They pay their own way and don't expect hand-outs which is how it should be. They teach their children that hard work, dedication, and love is essential. They learn more from home-schooling than most in public education. I can't find a single thing wrong with them having as many children as they choose to have!!

Now, Shamrock...I can handle the kids..it is just the husband thing I had trouble with. LMAO
 
  • #384
Now, Shamrock...I can handle the kids..it is just the husband thing I had trouble with. LMAO

HA!! I hear you there!! Last night, my husband laid around the entire night with a cold, only you'd think he had a brain tumor the way he was acting!
 
  • #385
i am a firm believer in if you cant afford/dont want/cant take care of kids keep your pants up. this family seems to be doing well. i wish them the best. some has to support the 5 or 6 kids the crack head is going to pop out so maybe this lady feels she is doing her part by having enough hard working kids to help in the future.
 
  • #386
The Duggars amaze me. While the lifestyle is certainly NOT for me (I have all I can handle with two kids and a husband), I admire them. They seem like wonderful parents and live what they preach. It takes a rare woman to have that many children and be happy, calm, patient, etc. God bless them. I find their family and their whole situation simply fascinating and inspiring.
--I feel exactly the same way!!
 
  • #387
I agree! They do seem like wonderful parents and I respect anyone who can do everything they do! They pay their own way and don't expect hand-outs which is how it should be. They teach their children that hard work, dedication, and love is essential. They learn more from home-schooling than most in public education. I can't find a single thing wrong with them having as many children as they choose to have!! /quote]--yes yes and yes!
 
  • #388
My biggest complaint (today anyway-lol) about this huge family is that the mom stayed pregnant 9 months out of 12 months for the past 17 years and then is treated like a queen for the other 2 or 3 months before she gets pregnant again. SHE should be raising and tending to her little ones. It is not the responsibiity of the older kids to raise their little brothers and sisters. Pitching in to help dress or cook is one thing.
 
  • #389
I'm sure i'll be flamed but i sincerely believe that with children, its quality that counts. Not quantity. I do not believe the Duggar family could possibly give their children what they really need to be successful in life and additionally, I think their motives for having this many children are selfish.
 
  • #390
I'm sure i'll be flamed but i sincerely believe that with children, its quality that counts. Not quantity. I do not believe the Duggar family could possibly give their children what they really need to be successful in life and additionally, I think their motives for having this many children are selfish.

No flames coming from me. I really cannot think, in this day and age, of a good reason to have this many children.
 
  • #391
BethInArk and Marthatex, I agree.
 
  • #392
i am a firm believer in if you cant afford/dont want/cant take care of kids keep your pants up. this family seems to be doing well. i wish them the best. some has to support the 5 or 6 kids the crack head is going to pop out so maybe this lady feels she is doing her part by having enough hard working kids to help in the future.

Well, yes they are supporting themselves in a way,,,, but look at all they've been given. The appliances, the piano, interior decorating of the home, work on the home, etc... Why should someone be given 6 washers and 6 dryers just because she can and will reproduce non-stop? I homeschooled two of my kids once and let me tell you, unless she has the older onces teaching the younger ones, no way much education is going on. When the kids are young you can kind of get by with a little math, lots of reading and some basic science stuff, but when the kids hit high school age it becomes much more difficult--unless the kids aren't preparing for college.

I had an aquaintance once who had 6 kids. She was a wonderful stay-at-home mom, very devout Christian, (she didn't homeschool, her kids went to a prestigious local school) and she told me that when her second oldest daughter married and left home it was really hard on her youngest daughter and that she (the mom) had not realized how much of a "mom" the second oldest had been to the youngest. So say what you will, the older kids are parenting the younger kids in this family and while that's o.k. to a certain extent, seems to me the Duggars need to slow down on procreation. Why not consider adoption? That would truly serve a worthwhile purpose. They could give a loving home to kids who haven't a thing.
 
  • #393
Well, yes they are supporting themselves in a way,,,, but look at all they've been given. The appliances, the piano, interior decorating of the home, work on the home, etc... Why should someone be given 6 washers and 6 dryers just because she can and will reproduce non-stop? I homeschooled two of my kids once and let me tell you, unless she has the older onces teaching the younger ones, no way much education is going on. When the kids are young you can kind of get by with a little math, lots of reading and some basic science stuff, but when the kids hit high school age it becomes much more difficult--unless the kids aren't preparing for college.

I had an aquaintance once who had 6 kids. She was a wonderful stay-at-home mom, very devout Christian, (she didn't homeschool, her kids went to a prestigious local school) and she told me that when her second oldest daughter married and left home it was really hard on her youngest daughter and that she (the mom) had not realized how much of a "mom" the second oldest had been to the youngest. So say what you will, the older kids are parenting the younger kids in this family and while that's o.k. to a certain extent, seems to me the Duggars need to slow down on procreation. Why not consider adoption? That would truly serve a worthwhile purpose. They could give a loving home to kids who haven't a thing.
Perhaps they accepted some "help" as payment for the rights to film them while they finished the house and moved in. They DID work on the house totally themselves for 3 years. And I am not certain they were given the appliances either, the kitchen appliances were bought used at auction from a restaurant - perhaps the commercial washers and dryers were bought used at auction from a dry cleaner or laundromat as well???

People are not understanding the Quiverfull movement. They don't adopt children - they feel that the sins of the father and mother (and generations before) are laid on the child - and therefore they have their own children and do not raise other people's children. Their families are limited by how many "home grown" kids God gives them - not by adding other people's kids. If they get NO children then they will have NO children. Despite what it looks like, it is NOT a "contest" to see who has the most children. You get the kids you are supposed to have "naturally" and then you are done - no adoptions - just your own children. 0, 1 or 20 - that's what God intended for you to raise - but NOT someone else's children who are not borne from the consecrated marital womb. I know, seems weird and rather un-Christian, but that's what they believe - the leader of the movement right now has never married and has NO kids at all. One does NOT have to marry OR have children to be a "Quiverfull" believer. The childless couples and the unmarried and the widowed are still considered "Quiverfull" based on their beliefs and lifestyle - it has nothing to do with the number of kids you have.

I personally have many issues with the beliefs and fundamentalist creed of Quiverfull followers. I disagree with almost everything the Quiverfull movement stands for - I do not like ANY religion where someone (a person) tells ME what I am to believe and not believe. I was given my OWN brain, thank you, and I assume God gave it to me because HE intends me to worship and pray in MY way and based on MY experience and learning, decide things for myself. I don't require a husband, a leader, an intermediary or an interpreter to guide me in my faith. If God needs me to know something, being God, I have full faith that HE will let me know personally, not tell someone else to tell me what HE wants. I certainly do NOT plan to EVER give my husband "dominion" over me - we are partners or "we" aren't at all.

That said, I have no issues with how many children people have (whether they have them for faith based reasons or other reasons) - that's personal. To me, having children is intrinsically selfish - we are recreating ourselves for the future - whether it's one or 17, the motivation is partly selfish in nature - it's the way we are wired, all of us. So long as I am not supporting them I do not care if people have 50 kids. I'm not worried at all that we will be overcome by fundamentalists of any sort. I believe in the power of the individual - you can "train" kids every day of their lives, but just as God gives them to you, HE also gives them a beautiful and individual spirit that NO-ONE can control once they have reached adulthood. Each child will grow up and (hopefully) find their way to whatever God created them for - Duggar kids are not excluded, Quiverfull kids are not excluded - it's the same for ALL of us - we are each blessed with a unique and very special spirit and trust me, the same God who gave the Duggars 17 kids has a plan for EACH of them - and it may... or may NOT... align with the Quiverfull beliefs they are being raised with. Somehow God always seems to find a way to lay waste to the best laid plans and "training" doesn't HE? The Duggars are no different. People who planned for 20 kids get none, people who planned for just one more child get quads, people who never planned for any find themselves parenting a family member's orphaned kids, people who have 5 can lose them all in one tragic accident and grandparents who thought they were "done" find themselves raising a whole new family. In my opinion God isn't opening anything but HEARTS and MINDS, and HE isn't closing anything - just sending us in new directions. No matter what - be we sanctified or sinners, HE is always there ready to walk beside us at our request - to celebrate with us the miracles and the blessings and more importantly, to lift us up and help us face and survive the sad times and the tragedies of life. God has a LOT on his plate to be worrying about opening and closing each womb on the planet. I will handle my own womb, thanks - more time for God to save a life or lift up the grieving (like Dr Petit) in their time of need.

See, while we are making all those plans and preparing so carefully...LIFE HAPPENS - and that's just the way it is. A blessing is that we wake up - past that, it's all up to us, with God's help, to make of that day we were blessed with, the most we possibly can.

My Opinion, Really
 
  • #394
See, while we are making all those plans and preparing so carefully...LIFE HAPPENS - and that's just the way it is. A blessing is that we wake up - past that, it's all up to us, with God's help, to make of that day we were blessed with, the most we possibly can.

My Opinion, Really

I didn't want to quote your whole post because it would take up too much space and I hate when people do that (:)) but I love what you said. In fact, I generally always agree with what you say.
 
  • #395
FlowerChild, your location says "Heart of Texas". That you definitely are. :blowkiss:
 
  • #396
we are each blessed with a unique and very special spirit and trust me, the same God who gave the Duggars 17 kids has a plan for EACH of them - and it may... or may NOT... align with the Quiverfull beliefs they are being raised with. Somehow God always seems to find a way to lay waste to the best laid plans and "training" doesn't HE?

See, while we are making all those plans and preparing so carefully...LIFE HAPPENS - and that's just the way it is. A blessing is that we wake up - past that, it's all up to us, with God's help, to make of that day we were blessed with, the most we possibly can.

and I agree wholeheartedly. it's the same God, it's just the way we see Him that changes.

I love what you said best at the end. I woke up this morning; it is a blessing.
respectfully,
MG
 
  • #397
I homeschool all three of my children. 3 different grades. They are social butterflies. They know more about the real world then their peers that sit cooped up for 7 hours in a classroom of children all the same age.
 
  • #398
I'm assuming she home schools so she dont have to get all of them up in the morning and ready for school which that is a task in itself...The meals are probably cooked by mom and all the older children daily..drink is probably water. I can't imagine what it would be like to go grocery shopping? I am sure their life is all work and no play...ever!

Are you kidding? Yea, because homeschooling is much easier! lmao
I'm fairly shocked at how judgemental this thread is. No way I could have that many children, but they make it work. The kids are well behaved, the parents aren't divorced and the kids get attention ALL DAY from their parents. How many of you get off work, pick up your kids, eat dinner and send them straight to bed? How much time DO YOU really spend with your children. How many of you are receiving public assistance in some way (healthcare, cash, food)? They provide for themselves. And those that bash homeschooling obviously know nothing about it. Just because you saw ONE homeschool family that you thought was odd, doesn't make them all odd.
 
  • #399
I have seen all the the shows on this family.

First, I can't figure out with all those kids WHEN ARE THEY EVER ALONE TO MAKE MORE BABIES? Is she allowed to sleep while he does his thing, cuz let me tell you she has gotta be tired with all them kids!

Second, from the credits that were shown on the special where they move into their new house, you see things like home depot, maytag etc. So I am thinking that they had more than a few donations.

Third, if I were his wife I would only have three words for Jim Bob they would be GET OFF ME!

The whole thing is just creepy, weird and insane.

hahaha i agree. when do they have the TIME to do all this baby making? are the big ones watching the little ones?
i am concerned for her health. and the health of her babies. i bet her having so many past pregnancies may make her more likely to have complications - like preterm birth, problems bleeding after the birth, ect. i am surprised she has done this well. if i were an OB/GYN doc, i am not sure i would want her as my patient! i was watching one of there shows, and she has insisted on having her babies naturally even though she has had previous c-sections - which can be high risk. you can have an abruption in some of those cases (if I remember correctly 1% was the estimate last time I heard) of those cases... which cuts off blood flow to the baby (the placenta pulls away from the uterus). your baby can die or be brain damaged (varying degrees) i'm sorry, but if it were me... i would never go against my doctors advice in that situation just because i would want to NOT risk my baby being one of the 1%. She insists on going on with the risky VBAC. I guess more power to her. Sooner or later, she will go through the change. What will she do then?

I have to say though, they seem like a lovable bunch. I enjoy watching them on TV when I get the chance. They do seem like nice, sincere people at the least. I wouldn't live that lifestyle... but at least the kids are loved, clean and fed. Those 17 kids are more attended to and better taken care of than some people who have just one child.
 
  • #400
Yep, they are a loveable bunch and all nineteen family members wil BE BACK on the Discovery Health Channel Sept 21st!--We can't get enough of this incredible family
 

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