The Establishment Paedophile: How a Monster hid in High Society

((WR)) I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I appreciate peoples concern MORE than they'd ever know!!!!
For them that believe in me AND my grandma I thank you SO much...there may be things between each story that are inconsistant, but for the main part the stories THAT ARE TRUE THRU CULTURE ARE TRUE...
 
What an awful story, Took is a monster. It's hard to understand how someone who could be good, kind and caring to most people, someone who had access to all the advantages that life could give could somehow not understand or even slightly appreciate the damage he did to those children.

How can an obviously intelligent man compartmentalize such awful behaviour to the extent that he could say 'Everything was all right there, there is no damage done'?
 
I do hope you're not speaking of my grandmother.


Oh, no I'm not and sorry I didn't say that in my post. I was responding to the linked story and how people were supporting the man just because he had done good works and things to help the community. I hadn't even read all the posts and didn't read your fears that people would condemn your GM or I wouldn't have even posted at all for fear that it would be misunderstood or that I would be rude. I'm sorry if my post further upset you and I need to remember you read all of the previous posts instead of just the first one and parts of the last page.
 
I believe a Judge or jury should look at all sides of a person's life. I do not believe we are defined by our worst actions or by our best ones. I understand however that many people, rightfully outraged, define those who harm children one-dimensionally.
Im sorry when your'worst actions' consist of harming children you should be absolutely defined,judged and condemned on that basis.
It renders all other aspects of the pedophiles 'cover'irrelevant.
Did you actually read what that savage degenerate was posting about that Cambodian Girl?
Surely you dont think his 'good qualities' mitigate that??
Fantasy or reality he has forfitted his right to be considered part of humanity.
Weve been taking too many other things into consideration with these animals for too long.... everything but the children who are his potential victims thats why they keep getting turned back out onto our streets.
 
Sometimes they only do charitable work and other so called good deeds to get to children.
 
Quite often.
Everytime some pedophile who happens to be a scout leader or teacher or preist gets nailed they usually have a group of people who they havent happened to depredate willing to come forward and attest to what a life changing 'mentor' he was.
They are usually real accomplished method actors.
They also have no feelings and no empathy for anyone but themselves which renders the acts of kindness they bestow on those they wish to decieve just that: acts.
 
Of course I felt/feel tremendous guilt...could I, had I spoken out earlier, saved these two precious kids from something they'll never forget?

White Rain, I'm so sorry you went through that.

I was raped when I was 12 years old by a school counsellor. Like you, I didn't tell anyone for many years and I am sure he had more victims.

Pedophiles look for vulnerable children who are easy to intimidate. In my case, my mother had just been diagnosed with cancer, was terribly ill and I believed him when he told me that if I said anything, the shock would kill my mother.

In your case, you were four years old. You had no framework for how the world works, what is right, what is wrong and what the consequences of various actions could be. Why do four year old kids dash out in front of moving cars? Because they are literally incapable of predicting that they could be seriously hurt or die. You can teach a four year old to parrot "I could be hurt if I ran out in front of a car" but that doesn't mean they really understand it any more than a parrot would understand. They are just saying what the adult wants to hear--that's what children do.

Twelve year old kids might not run in front of a moving car but they're still largely unable to predict the consequences of their actions. The part of the brain that deals with predicting the future and regulating behaviour is still developing and won't really work completely until the early 20s.

You did what you did because you were trying to cope with the world as you knew it. I did what I did because I was trying to cope with the world as I knew it. Neither of us should feel guilty because we did not make the same decisions an adult would make. We weren't adults, we did not know how to deal with what was happening to us.

The only people who have reason to feel guilty are the perpetrators themselves.

The first step towards recovery for me was deciding that I was not going to let that man determine the rest of my life. To use a cliche, the best revenge is living well.
 
Fantasy or reality he has forfitted his right to be considered part of humanity.

I strongly disagree with this. I believe that even pedophiles are a part of humanity. Not a part that most people can feel good about, they're a part of the darkness that most of us wish didn't exist. Unfortunately, human beings aren't all sunshine, butterflies, puppies and flowers. We all have traits that are frightening and difficult to face.

Someone like Took clearly did not understand at the usual bone deep level that the children he molested were as human as he is. His victims felt fear, they felt pain, they felt confusion and betrayal and guilt. He did not or could not regard his victims as being as fully human as he is. It seems wrong and dangerous to me to apply that sort of reasoning to other people, no matter how those other people act because it models the very attitude that is being condemned.

If it is okay to say the a pedophile does not deserve to be considered human, where does it stop? What about murderers? What about someone who drives drunk and kills a family? What about someone who embezzles from a pension fund and deprives their victim of the pensions they worked for years to accumulate?

The line creeps and creeps until it puts someone you actually respect or love on the wrong side.

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to this since I was born on the wrong side of the line. I was a mixed race child born in the 1950s; there were plenty of people who thought I was an abomination, should not have been born and shouldn't be allowed to live.

Being considered less than human was a horrible experience that still colours my life nearly sixty years later. I refuse to inflict that on any other human being because I want to be a better person than that.
 
Mr. Took needs to be transported over here, to the U.S., and held in one of the more hardscrabble facilities here in the South. He should at all times, while in the general population, wear a sign that says, "I am a paedophile."

His terribly weak sentence wouldn't matter much once the rest of the prisoners were done with him.
 
Paedophiles are a breed of their own so they do deserve to be considered less than human IMO.
 
Grainne Dhu, you are a better person. :blowkiss: You are right. Took is a human being but a very dangerous one. He is not safe to be around his fellow humans, especially children. I don't believe in the death penalty (we don't have it in Australia) but he should be sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. Society owes children protection from the people who will harm them.
 
Grainne Dhu, you are a better person. :blowkiss: You are right. Took is a human being but a very dangerous one. He is not safe to be around his fellow humans, especially children. I don't believe in the death penalty (we don't have it in Australia) but he should be sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. Society owes children protection from the people who will harm them.

That is a very kind thing for you to say; thank you.

I have no objection to putting a pedophile in prison for life. I believe they are broken in some fundamental way and we, as a society, really don't know how to fix them. For the greater good, they must be separated from everyone else, particularly children.

I would like to see prisons for those who are being imprisoned for life made comfortable. To be imprisoned is to be deprived of the vast majority of things that make life worth living (for most people, anyway).

Such imprisonment is not really punishment because inherent in the definition of punishment is that it is intended to change future behaviour. Since these prisoners are being forcibly prevented from committing those crimes for life, it's not punishment. It's more akin to keeping animals in a zoo.

I really hope that someday, someone does figure out how to fix pedophiles. Until then, life imprisonment seems like the most ethical option available.
 
That is a very kind thing for you to say; thank you.

I have no objection to putting a pedophile in prison for life. I believe they are broken in some fundamental way and we, as a society, really don't know how to fix them. For the greater good, they must be separated from everyone else, particularly children.

I would like to see prisons for those who are being imprisoned for life made comfortable. To be imprisoned is to be deprived of the vast majority of things that make life worth living (for most people, anyway).

Such imprisonment is not really punishment because inherent in the definition of punishment is that it is intended to change future behaviour. Since these prisoners are being forcibly prevented from committing those crimes for life, it's not punishment. It's more akin to keeping animals in a zoo.

I really hope that someday, someone does figure out how to fix pedophiles. Until then, life imprisonment seems like the most ethical option available.

If is so difficult to know if paedophiles are mad or just evil. There is so much we don't yet know about the brain. Maybe someday medical science will be able to fix them. Would that be terrific? An operation, injection or pill and then they're cured of their sick tendencies.
 
I strongly disagree with this. I believe that even pedophiles are a part of humanity. Not a part that most people can feel good about, they're a part of the darkness that most of us wish didn't exist. Unfortunately, human beings aren't all sunshine, butterflies, puppies and flowers. We all have traits that are frightening and difficult to face.

Someone like Took clearly did not understand at the usual bone deep level that the children he molested were as human as he is. His victims felt fear, they felt pain, they felt confusion and betrayal and guilt. He did not or could not regard his victims as being as fully human as he is. It seems wrong and dangerous to me to apply that sort of reasoning to other people, no matter how those other people act because it models the very attitude that is being condemned.

If it is okay to say the a pedophile does not deserve to be considered human, where does it stop? What about murderers? What about someone who drives drunk and kills a family? What about someone who embezzles from a pension fund and deprives their victim of the pensions they worked for years to accumulate?

The line creeps and creeps until it puts someone you actually respect or love on the wrong side.

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to this since I was born on the wrong side of the line. I was a mixed race child born in the 1950s; there were plenty of people who thought I was an abomination, should not have been born and shouldn't be allowed to live.

Being considered less than human was a horrible experience that still colours my life nearly sixty years later. I refuse to inflict that on any other human being because I want to be a better person than that.
So your advocating cultural sensitivity on behalf of sexual predators?
I hope Im misunderstanding what your saying because that is political correctness to the point of madness.
The difference between a child rapist and an embezzeler is relative???
No.It isnt.
Im sure Took and others like him would take great comfort in that notion.
And yes if your going to equate the injustice you obviously suffered for no good reason to the point of emotional tranference on behalf of this animal
'overly sensitive' doesnt even come close.
Ill save my compassion for his helpless five year old victims.
Anyone who deliberately decides to harm a child to satisfy their lust is not part of humanity as I understand it.
I have to be honest I find the groundswell of empathy and support for Mr. Took demonstrated in this thread disturbing in the extreme.
 
Pedophiles are sociopaths. They are master manipulators and just plain not right in the head. There is no cure or "fix" for a pedophile, not even castration. (They do use other limbs or instruments)...They have an insatiable lust for children that will never go away. They WILL repeat their crime again and again given the first chance, and most often than not, they are always planning or scheming of how to get to another child.

I don't see any reason Took's "good" he did in life can even be considered. Punishment and the law is based on the illegals he is doing. He's not being hauled to jail/court because he is a good person. That's the persona a pedophile works hard to let others see. They WANT people to see their "pretend" good side.

How else would unsuspecting parents so willingly think a pedophile is ok to be around their child.. the good side is only one of many lies they tell.
 
So your advocating cultural sensitivity on behalf of sexual predators?
I hope Im misunderstanding what your saying because that is political correctness to the point of madness.
The difference between a child rapist and an embezzeler is relative???
No.It isnt.
Im sure Took and others like him would take great comfort in that notion.
And yes if your going to equate the injustice you obviously suffered for no good reason to the point of emotional tranference on behalf of this animal
'overly sensitive' doesnt even come close.
Ill save my compassion for his helpless five year old victims.
Anyone who deliberately decides to harm a child to satisfy their lust is not part of humanity as I understand it.
I have to be honest I find the groundswell of empathy and support for Mr. Took demonstrated in this thread disturbing in the extreme.

I've seen this attitude in some other threads here lately and it's bothersome to say the least, considering all the crimes against defenseless children that we continually read about here.

Mr. Took gets no sympathy from me.
 
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Anyone who deliberately decides to harm a child to satisfy their lust is not part of humanity as I understand it.
I have to be honest I find the groundswell of empathy and support for Mr. Took demonstrated in this thread disturbing in the extreme.


Absolutely.:clap:
FYI....If I see anyone defending a sexual predator, I'm going to let off some steam.:furious::rage:
 
So your advocating cultural sensitivity on behalf of sexual predators?
I hope Im misunderstanding what your saying because that is political correctness to the point of madness.
The difference between a child rapist and an embezzeler is relative???
No.It isnt.
Im sure Took and others like him would take great comfort in that notion.
And yes if your going to equate the injustice you obviously suffered for no good reason to the point of emotional tranference on behalf of this animal
'overly sensitive' doesnt even come close.
Ill save my compassion for his helpless five year old victims.
Anyone who deliberately decides to harm a child to satisfy their lust is not part of humanity as I understand it.
I have to be honest I find the groundswell of empathy and support for Mr. Took demonstrated in this thread disturbing in the extreme.

Bravo Kline! :clap::clap::clap:
 
my grandfather took me into his home with my brother when my parents could no longer be bothered with the job of raising children. he taught my brother to play chess, catch, and to fish. he taught me how to perform for a man sexually. if we defined him by his best actions he would be a wonderful father figure. if we define him by his worst he is a child rapist.

he was not a one-dimensional man but it would be wrong to try and weigh his good works against the evil he did. the rape of a child is a evil so strong it will always outweigh the good works of a pedo.


sherri,
I'm so sorry for what happened to you. You're right, there is nothing that man could have done, and I mean NOTHING, that would negate or counter the harm and evil he did to you.

I wish I hadn't read the link. I can't get the vision of that scared little Cambodian girl out of my head. I don't understand what happens to make a person as depraved as these people.
 

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