The "Everything Michael Jackson" Thread

Moog said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/10/ujackson.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/01/10/ixportaltop.html


Michael Jackson is facing new child sex-abuse allegations in a civil lawsuit.

A 20-year-old has filed a claim that the pop star molested him as a child, made him have cosmetic surgery and stole his ideas, melodies and lyrics for songs, the man's lawyer said.

This is what I expected when I heard that he was in serious condition!!!! I knew that there would be some rhyme to his pleas for sympathy. That were later denied because he didn't get any sympathy.
 
Moog said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/10/ujackson.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/01/10/ixportaltop.html


Michael Jackson is facing new child sex-abuse allegations in a civil lawsuit.

A 20-year-old has filed a claim that the pop star molested him as a child, made him have cosmetic surgery and stole his ideas, melodies and lyrics for songs, the man's lawyer said.
Good!:clap: I hope more of his victims have the courage to come forward. Eventually Michael's not gonna prevail, people will have to believe the weight of the evidence- how many victims there are- they aren't all lying for the money- and Michael will not prevail and the world will see him for who he truly is- a child molester/pedophile!!!
 
LinasK said:
Good!:clap: I hope more of his victims have the courage to come forward. Eventually Michael's not gonna prevail, people will have to believe the weight of the evidence- how many victims there are- they aren't all lying for the money- and Michael will not prevail and the world will see him for who he truly is- a child molester/pedophile!!!
I think the majority of the world already knows he's a pedophile.
 
Linda7NJ said:
I think the majority of the world already knows he's a pedophile.

All except for about twelve people in Ca. and a couple of dozen freaks, uh...fans.
 
mysteriew said:
All except for about twelve people in Ca. and a couple of dozen freaks, uh...fans.
Would those twelve be friends of Geraldo's ? LOL
 
This is exactly what I've been waiting for......:clap:


I knew he had pushed the odds. To the man who has stepped forward.....good for you, your courage will hopefully show others who are out there that maybe they too should stand up and fight this monster!

We believe you!!!!!!!!!

Am I correct in thinking that because of where Mikey is living right now, he can't be forced to return if there is another trial? Will they hold the trial even if he doesn't show up?
 
hmm...IMO this guy named Karpon hasn't got much of a case. His case was rejected by the Santa Barbara Court office because it wasn't substantial enough. The hearing is set on the 14th February, but I find the Schaffel case much more interesting actually. Its date has been moved from the 19th January to the 15th February because according to MTV.com News and e!online news there has been a change in lawyers. Of course Michael Jackson's lawyers....(he always seems to find some reason or another not to represent himself in delicate matters!)

Bahrain hasn't got an extradition treaty with the US to my knowledge that is correct, but as a male US citizen, he cannot become a Bahraini citizen! Women can achieve citizenship through marriage but men can't. very interesting indeed perhaps that's why Jackson dressed up in women's clothes lately.....;-)) according to photos from people.com magazine anyway.....
 
Moog said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/10/ujackson.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/01/10/ixportaltop.html


Michael Jackson is facing new child sex-abuse allegations in a civil lawsuit.

A 20-year-old has filed a claim that the pop star molested him as a child, made him have cosmetic surgery and stole his ideas, melodies and lyrics for songs, the man's lawyer said.
You can read the court filing at

http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/michael_jackson_molestation_101105.pdf

Frankly, this one is very very iffy. This is D.K. (he's been outed by the press but those are his initials), now a legal adult. He went to Carole Lieberman - Hollywood psychiatrist/gossip mag columnist/publicity ho -, and supposedly recovered suppressed memories of some or all of the abuse while undergoing therapy with her. Carole had already stuck herself into the MJ criminal investigation by demanding CPS take his kids from him, so _of course_ she contacted the SB cops immediately when this claim emerged from her client. After investigating his claim, they decided there was insufficient evidence to pursue. Diane Dimond reported that one of the problems was that details of his account kept changing - and not in minor ways, but in major ways. So the SB DA decided not to use this fellow's testimony in the criminal case against MJ.

Apparently this guy couldn't find a lawyer to take his case at first, so last summer he filed the suit himself. This past autumn he managed to get a husband-and-wife legal team to represent him.

One of his more peculiar claims is that he and his mother were assaulted by MJ at his mother's place of employment, and his mom suffered serious injuries. For that reason, he's suing his mom's employer, too. Now, the kid's father apparently had custody of the boy, who didn't have much of a relationship with his mom. So I'd like to know what reason MJ would've had to have paid her a visit at work, no to mention why MJ then allegedly went thermal and assaulted both her and her son.

That story just makes me roll my eyes. On the other hand, this guy apparently did spend a good bit of time at Neverland as a child, hanging with MJ. But to go back to the weirdness, he also claims that while a child he provided MJ with musical ideas, tunes, lyrics, and that MJ and Sony had both promised to acknowledge his work and compensate him for it. C'mon. It's extremely hard to prove a plagiarism case even when one has evidence. I can't imagine a kid aged from 2 to 14 having the smarts to copyright or otherwise provide proof of his authorship. If he can't prove it, he shouldn't even make the claim. It just paints him as a kook.

Finally, where are his parents now that this story has become public? We haven't heard a word from them. Don't you think, if they'd been involved in this as he claims, that they'd come forward to support his story? Especially his mom, since she was supposedly attacked by MJ.

I think all his family will have to say is that this guy's got some problems.
 
Troi said:
Bahrain hasn't got an extradition treaty with the US to my knowledge that is correct, but as a male US citizen, he cannot become a Bahraini citizen!
Since Bahrain doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US, it doesn't _have_ to return US fugitives to justice, but it is always an option they can exercise, as a courtesy between nations - and they have done so on occasion. But this latest molestation case is just a civil lawsuit, not a criminal one.

However, if the Feds actually determine that (as Debbie Rowe alleges) MJ lied on his kids' passport applications in order to get new passports to take them out of the country, he could potentially be facing federal charges. If that happens, MJ shouldn't be too confident. It's unlikely the Bahraini government would put his personal wishes above their relationship with the US government. Probably the most they'd do for him would be to allow him to cross the border so they could regretfully inform US authorities that he apparently was no longer in their country. But from then on he'd be a marked man.

That's why, to me, the most interesting potential legal issue for MJ is this alleged US Department of Justice investigation into the kids' passports.
 
Troi said:
Bahrain hasn't got an extradition treaty with the US to my knowledge that is correct, but as a male US citizen, he cannot become a Bahraini citizen! Women can achieve citizenship through marriage but men can't. very interesting indeed perhaps that's why Jackson dressed up in women's clothes lately.....;-)) according to photos from people.com magazine anyway.....
Seeing as how he's being sheltered by the royal family, rules can be bent in his favor. Recently, as part of the National Day celebrations in Bahrain, there was a performance by a famous Syrian singer. She so impressed His Highness King Hamad that she was awarded Bahraini citizenship within the next couple of days!! Meanwhile, people who have lived in Bahrain their whole lives, even born there, are still on the waiting list for some BS reason or another. So I wouldn't be surprised if MJ already enjoys full diplomatic immunity. Though, these days they may not want to deal with his shenanigans, seeing as how one of the princes died in a car crash (he was 15 and driving a car in a part of the country that isn't all that safe) so I'm pretty sure they're not in any state to tolerate him if he starts mouthing off about persecution.
 
Thanks Wolfwood and Devilish! As it is the question is can a Bahranini diplomatic immunity overrule an extradition to the US if Michael Jackson faces a Feds case in the US because of those children's passports?
 
Troi said:
Thanks Wolfwood and Devilish! As it is the question is can a Bahranini diplomatic immunity overrule an extradition to the US if Michael Jackson faces a Feds case in the US because of those children's passports?
Whoa...I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. Diplomatic immunity is given by a host nation to appointed and recognized representatives of a foreign government. Even if the Bahraini royal family gave MJ Bahraini citizenship, I extremely doubt they'd then make him a representative of their government and send him abroad as such. Assuming if they did, it would still be up to each foreign nation to choose to recognize him as such and accept his credentials.

Let's look at a few more likely scenarios.

A. MJ is granted residency (not citizenship) in Bahrain and keeps his US citizenship.

B. MJ is granted Bahraini citizenship and continues to keep his US citizenship.

C. MJ is granted Bahraini citizenship and renounces his US citizenship.

Before we go any further, I should note that MJ cannot renounce Prince 1's and Paris' US citizenship on their behalf. They are and will continue to remain US citizens unless/until they reach legal age and choose to renounce it themselves. I have no idea if Blanket has US citizenship, so his status is unclear.

Back to MJ. How would each of these scenarios affect his life?

A. Not much difference. He'd have the legal right to live and work in Bahrain, permanently if he so chose.

B. Not much difference. He'd have the legal right to live and work in Bahrain, permanently if he so chose. He could leave and re-enter Bahrain at his pleasure. As a US citizen, he'd continue to have the right to live in the US, and enter and leave the US at his pleasure.

C. Now we're hitting a few issues. MJ would travel on a Bahraini passport. Once he's no longer a US citizen, he would no longer have the right to enter and leave the US at whim. He could also only reside in the US if the US gov't permitted him to do so.

He'd still have his US tax obligations for a long time to come. The IRS automatically assumes that anyone with assets worth more than a half-million dollars who renounces his/her citizenship is doing it as a tax dodge, and they immediately go after that person, charging a very stiff 'exit tax'. Plus, former US citizens continue to be subject to US taxes for ten years after renunciation.

More bad news, for a celebrity: He'd have his name published in the Federal Register as having voluntarily renounced his US citizenship. Federal law says the names of everyyone renouncing US citizenship shall be published on a quarterly basis in the Federal Register to ensure it becomes public knowledge, in order to dissuade citizens from doing so. At that point, he'd become not just right-wing talk show fodder, but the target of nutcase hyper-patriots who'd doubtless threaten and harass him for his decision. Like his being criminally charged with child molestation, the fact that he'd voluntarily renounced his US citizenship would garner him negative press - at least in certain sections of the US media - for the rest of his life.


In all three scenarios, if MJ had a criminal warrant issued for him by a US court, and then ever set foot in a country that has an extradition treaty with the US, he could be seized and brought back to the US to face those charges - even if he was then a Bahraini citizen. (Remember the foreign terrorists who had US warrants issued for their arrest.) This is more likely to be an issue if it was a US federal charge, but even state or local criminal charges could make it risky for him to travel.

That would play merry hell with any travel plans he may ever have, just for starters. And it's doubtful MJ would be content living out the rest of his life in as small a region as Bahrain/Oman/Dubai. There are comparatively few countries in the world that he could travel to where he wouldn't risk being arrested on outstanding warrants.

And there, by the way, also goes the f'loon fantasies of another
world concert tour.

Finally, his US-based assets would still risk seizure to satisfy court judgements and creditors, as he's learning with his debts to Fortress.

There's one other potential issue. We know MJ has a positive genius for alienating his friends and business associates. He's in with the Bahraini royal family now - but who'd want to bet on him still being in their good graces two or three years from now? Even if he were given residency or citizenship by them, if he annoyed them sufficiently I'm sure they'd let him know he's no longer welcome in their country. It's his talent for using and abusing the friendship of powerful people that has me thinking he can't count on the royal family's protection and support. Not forever, that's for sure.
 
Omygosh, Devilish -- but your post brings so much satisfying shadenfreude to my very soul! :dance:

the icing on your delicious cake is to imagine when he falls out with the royal family. just who is this loony going to turn to to help him out then? :laugh:
 
Yeah. His history of relationships presages my "schadenfreude" as well. It just takes so darn long!
 
Whoa, Devilish, remind me never to go up against you in debate :) You do have a point about his using people. He already burned bridges with Prince Al Walid Bin Talal of Saudi Arabia (10 years ago as a matter of fact) and him living in Bahrain will just accelerate the process. I mean, he has impersonators making whatever few public appearences over here (yet the press keeps trying to convince us otherwise...as if we can't see that "MJ" in those pics doesn't have a full nose and a normal chin, hehe...)
 
Thanks Wolfwood! That certainly was illuminating....now to your impersonaters representing Michael Jackson....I noticed that these alleged Michael Jacksons never take off their sun-glasses in public! Are you meaning to say that these alleged talks about a Bahrini or Dubai plans for Entertainment centers which Jackson counsels are a hoax?

The only genuine pics we would have then: From Oman with Prince and Paris and him clothed in a female gown! Even there he wears sun-glasses.....

This is getting very suspiciuos/ridiculuos;-)):liar: :liar: for MJ
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.ht...

Jackson's 'cruel' zoo

16th January 2006




Michael Jackson has been accused of animal cruelty at his all-but

abandoned Neverland ranch.

***

It's worth reading the full story, though it is distressing, if only for the little nuggets of news in it that aren't about animal suffering.
Such as the comment that some of the rooms at Neverland have been stripped of everything. Who didn't anticipate that? If the remaining help (down to about 10, according to the article) aren't getting paid, they're gonna look to for compensation any way they can.

There've been reports dating back at least to during the trial that MJ was trying to unload his zoo animals. But it's next to impossible to find zoos who can afford to take in unwanted exotics, because unfortunately there's a lot of them out there. The remaining option is finding an animal sanctuary that could take them, but once again money becomes a huge issue: who's going to pay even just to transport them, much less to house and feed them for the rest of their lives? Unfortunately, if an animal neglect investigation does determine that the animals are abandoned and need to be taken in, it will end up being taxpayers and perhaps private donations that will underwrite the cost, not MJ.

This is about as clear a sign that you can get that MJ is burning his bridges with regard to his reputation as a celebrity. He's making no effort to save the animals, which is something he could do by admitting he's broke and appealing for help on the animals' behalf. But no - MJ'd rather be known as an abuser/neglector of animals than admit he's broke.
 
"Last night, Brian Oxman, a lawyer for the singer, responded to the cruelty allegations by saying: "Michael Jackson does not wish to comment on this story."

:sick:
 

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