The Fernies

[TressaRing28]

They still live in Boulder in the same house they were living in at the time of JonBenet's murder. Just this past May, they received a permit from Boulder to make small modifications to their home's deck. Barbara has been busy. In 2002, she won an elected position with the Episcopal Diocese of Colorado. Last year, Barbara had a piece of artwork highlighted at a major Episcopal conference. She submitted a testimonial to an event planner's web page, thanking the planner for putting together a 25th anniversary party for her and her husband John, a party for 70 people. She and John have given time and money to the Family Learning Center in Boulder, the FLC being an organization devoted to helping low-income families with their educational, financial, and medical issues. John Fernie, as nearly as I have been able to find out, is still working as a vice-president of a real-estate development company called McStain Enterprises.

Thanks for the info .

 

[Seeker]

Thanks Why_nutt.

I think I need to get out of here...I could have sworn when I glanced at this thread that it said "The Fairies" instead of The Fernies...

 

[BrotherMoon]

Thanks Why_nutt.

I think I need to get out of here...I could have sworn when I glanced at this thread that it said "The Fairies" instead of The Fernies...

I'm sure BueCrab could tell you where the Fairies live.

 

[Seeker]

I'm sure BueCrab could tell you where the Fairies live.

I doubt it...I think he only deals in crabs. Ergo he knows where they live.

 

[DeDee]

This is worthy of consideration about John Fernie. He is the only one who arrived by way of the alleyway on Dec. 26.


From the thread: I've got a question about Fleet White

Fernie’s comments are bizarre. He was either a habitual liar or looking for some sort of inflated sense of importance by trying to inject himself into the case, or there was some sort of sinister reason.

It is definitely the south door, and he would have only been able to see the spiral staircase - I have the floor plans and some more info in the thread I referenced:
See posts 14, 17, 20, 24, 29, 36, 37, and 46 @ Right, shut your face and do as I tell you -

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John Fernie: "I drove my car into the -- up the alley and parked in the back of your house, and went around to the patio door, which was a glass door leading into the kitchen and back of the house, and didn't see anybody, but saw a piece of paper laying on the floor. Looked at that. It was facing the other direction. Read it. And after the first few lines realized something very strange was happening. And so I ran around to the front of the house and knocked on the door and was let in."
John Fernie: "I didn't pick it up. It was inside the door and I was outside. The door was locked. I read it through the door."
John Fernie: "Fleet and Priscilla White were there when I arrived. And my wife came shortly thereafter. And our -- Overstock, our priest, came afterwards as well."
John Fernie: "My recollection is that later in the day, when we were waiting for phone calls from the supposed kidnappers, we were sitting in the back room with a detective and trying to figure out what the note meant. And there was a copy of the note. I don't know if it was the note, or a copy of the note, actually."
2001 June 13 - Transcript Testimony of John Fernie - Colorado vs Miller trial

JonBenet fought, struggled and died with the killer who left special pieces of evidence; those funny, little clues. They are everywhere.


Some familiar with the case recall BrotherMoon's posts and theory. Apparently, BrotherMoon left before I joined WS. The brief and succinct comments BrotherMoon left were somewhat fascinating posts. Just as the style of the fascinating BlueBottle's concise posts that are also brief, vague, even succinct, statements of theory.

There seemed to be precise pieces of evidence presented by BrotherMoon to lead credence to a psychotic daughter killer with pieces of evidence woven into a cloth of one [PR] within their own reality.


Trauma, including consecutive multiple traumas, throughout one's life can cause PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Physiological Stress after one or multiple traumatic events, perhaps spanning over a lifetime of repeated events, can slide an individual's psyche into PTSS the syndrome often associated with war veterans caused by what traumatic horror they witness and experience. Jaycee Dugard suffered severe PTSS during and after her ordeal. It was rumored that Patty Hearst was a willing SLA hostage influenced by her PTSD from the kidnapping.

Patsy's cancer took her life at the time when JonBenet would have been sweet 16.

She sought divine healing sharing correspondence with and befriending leading Evangelicals and their wives but Stage 4 Ovarian Cancer was a death warrant that would return to be served. That's traumatic news.

PR was not willing to leave her daughter whether she was 6 or 16. That is traumatizing knowledge for any mother to live with daily. PR didn't know she had ten good years to live. Stage 4 could rear its ugly head at any time.

What were PRs early childhood years like with a pushy perfectionist mother who really seemed to like to spend John Ramsey's money after her daughter married the older, mature , divorced gentleman?

Who knows what relationship there was with her dad? Was he kind or loving toward his daughters or have a favorite one? JRs business was failing. It is said that DP saved the couple financially and became an integral part of the success of AG in Boulder. Why did DP fly to GA on stand-by Christmas Eve after attending the Rs Christmas party on the 23rd when the first 911 call was made?

Prior to Christmas, during the pageantry of the holidays, and at the point of JonBenet's death, I believe PR may have still been suffering from PTSD and was taking Klonopin hoping to control the symptoms. Only, there may have been her favorite Chardonnay nearby in this mix during the holidays, too.

All who read these words should heed BrotherMoon, because that is the essence of a parent-did-it scenario; their own children are not living humans to the parent, but dolls or pets, to be discarded when a pressing need presents itself to the selfish parent. Look at Patsy's parenting style, and you can see how she never truly served as JonBenet's mother. She was capable of being JonBenet's babysitter (as a paid and impersonal employee could be), and her driver (as an impersonal chauffeur could be), and her pageant coach, and her teacher, but I dare any of the most ardent Ramsey defenders to give us examples of how Patsy spent time with JonBenet as her mother, as someone who simply loved her own daughter and wanted to bond with her and spend time with her doing nothing in particular. Has anyone ever heard that Patsy and JonBenet would spend time on the floor coloring in JonBenet's coloring books? Has anyone ever heard that Patsy and JonBenet would spend time making each other laugh because they liked hearing laughter? Is there so much as one person out there who ever witnessed Patsy tickling her daughter? No, you never hear these stories. And
why? As BrotherMoon says, it is because Patsy lacks empathy. She knew so well how to suffer during her own cancer, but when JonBenet was sick, has Patsy said one word about how miserable it made her as a mother to see JonBenet so ill so often and how it broke her heart to have to take JonBenet to Beuf so many times? No, we can see for herself.

Patsy describes taking JonBenet to Beuf the way a person would describe taking a car that breaks down often to the car mechanic. No wonder Patsy finds it odd that we forum members seem to care more about those doctor visits than she herself did.

Yes, BrotherMoon has the right perspective, in my opinion.

If it was boastful, brainy, flamboyant, flashy Patsy, then, her front side, her best side, is the one that she hoped to portray to the public. The back side was always underneath; looming, hidden, in the dark, selfish and the self-serving side residing in only her psyche formed as a result of experiences.

Note it is not a contradiction to admit that PR was selfish when she generously donated funds to some young girls in the competitions, of less fortune, so they could afford beautiful dresses and shoes to wear along with JonBenet's flamboyant appearance in pageants. The difference being that many of JonBenet's pageant outfits were costumes copied from designers and then custom sewn and once assembled in New York studios always costing far greater than what other contestants wore.


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[allysasaurus]

But what made Fernie go around the back of the house when he came over? Did someone tell him the house was being watched? I ask bc PR didnt even tell 911 that the house was being watched.

 

[DeeDee249]

But what made Fernie go around the back of the house when he came over? Did someone tell him the house was being watched? I ask bc PR didnt even tell 911 that the house was being watched.

Patsy did not tell 911 the house was being watched. NO where in the phone call is that mentioned. The police were not told to park away from the house, nor were any of their friends. As far as why he went around the back of the house- he said that was the door he always used when visiting the house. And of course, we have only his word for it anyway.
Remember- you have to look at this case from the perspective of parents who KNEW this was not a kidnapping, knew their daughter was already dead, and knew the house was not being watched. They had nothing to fear from kidnappers because there were no kidnappers. You see- it is quite logical actually- they had a dead child to explain and blame on an intruder. So step one was to create an intruder- which they did by writing the note. Step 2 was making sure to put in the note that JB would be killed if they called police or spoke to anyone. Step 3 was to call the police, in direct violation of the note, and step 4 was to call all their friends and their pastor and victims' advocates. (the best way to appear like a victim is to invite victims' advocates into your home).
So right there with that note that had the perfect explanation of why their daughter was dead= the "kidnappers" killed her because they called people. They "reverse engineered" the crime in a manner of speaking. In a REAL kidnapping, they have your kid and warn you not to call anyone- you call police and they kill your kid. In THIS case, the kid was already dead, so they invented the reason for her death that pointed away from the family.

 

[andreww]

But what made Fernie go around the back of the house when he came over? Did someone tell him the house was being watched? I ask bc PR didnt even tell 911 that the house was being watched.

Just to add, I believe that cars are parked in the back and the door Fernie used was close to that. I believe the front door would require walking around the house.


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[DeeDee249]

Just to add, I believe that cars are parked in the back and the door Fernie used was close to that. I believe the front door would require walking around the house.


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Doesn't really make much difference. Anyone legitimately watching the house would still see cars drive up and park in the back, even if the cars couldn't be seen from the front of the house. What is to stop someone from simply walking around the next door houses and looking into the yard? Ever see a pic of that neighborhood? I have. The houses are really close together. It is not some private driveway in the middle of several acres.

 

[andreww]

Doesn't really make much difference. Anyone legitimately watching the house would still see cars drive up and park in the back, even if the cars couldn't be seen from the front of the house. What is to stop someone from simply walking around the next door houses and looking into the yard? Ever see a pic of that neighborhood? I have. The houses are really close together. It is not some private driveway in the middle of several acres.

I never said he parked there to be inconspicuous. He parked ther and used that particular door because that was his normal routine. The Ramsey's didn't bother to mention to any of the entourage that they summoned, or the police for that matter, that the ransom note stated the house was being watched, so why would you expect Fernie to be inconspicuous?


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[DeeDee249]

I never said he parked there to be inconspicuous. He parked ther and used that particular door because that was his normal routine. The Ramsey's didn't bother to mention to any of the entourage that they summoned, or the police for that matter, that the ransom note stated the house was being watched, so why would you expect Fernie to be inconspicuous?


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I never implied you said that he parked there to be inconspicuous. Nor did I expect him to be. My point was that it didn't matter where anyone parked or if they were conspicuous or not because there was no one really watching the house. Which is why the Rs never mentioned it to police or their "guests".

 

[allysasaurus]

What i was suggesting is...
If i were in the 'know' about what the note said (was present during the writing) id use the back door too.
Maybe fernie knows something none of the others know at that juncture in time.
He knows the note said im watching you. But noone else did.
Maybe hes using the back door, not bc he thinks there really is someone watching, but bc he wants it to seem like he thinks someone is watching?.... just a thought.

 

[andreww]

What i was suggesting is...
If i were in the 'know' about what the note said (was present during the writing) id use the back door too.
Maybe fernie knows something none of the others know at that juncture in time.
He knows the note said im watching you. But noone else did.
Maybe hes using the back door, not bc he thinks there really is someone watching, but bc he wants it to seem like he thinks someone is watching?.... just a thought.

Not really any evidence to suggest Fernie was involved at all. Why wouldn't he use the door that he always used?

 

[andreww]

I never implied you said that he parked there to be inconspicuous. Nor did I expect him to be. My point was that it didn't matter where anyone parked or if they were conspicuous or not because there was no one really watching the house. Which is why the Rs never mentioned it to police or their "guests".

Got ya, and agreed.

 

[allysasaurus]

Just bc a person knows something doesnt mean he was involved in the actual crime.

 

[andreww]

Just bc a person knows something doesnt mean he was involved in the actual crime.

If Fernie did know something, then he was part of the crime because he would have lied to police when he told them he had no idea what was going on.

 

[UKGuy]

If Fernie did know something, then he was part of the crime because he would have lied to police when he told them he had no idea what was going on.

andreww,
Both JF and FW do know stuff we do not. They were briefed by JR, abeit in good faith, and carried out his requests, e.g. relocating BR.

Subsequently both FW and JF might have come to realize that they were used by JR to effect some kind of master plan, allowing them to revise what that what they might have not known at the time, was now an obvious facade by JR?

Answers on a postcard to the John Ramsey Foundation.

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[Mama2JML]

If Fernie did know something, then he was part of the crime because he would have lied to police when he told them he had no idea what was going on.

It isn't a crime to lie to LE, BUT it is a crime to lie under oath. If JF (&/or FW) know anything, or have any suspicions at all, about who is (who are) responsible for the sexual assault, torture, murder, ransom note, etc., then they are guilty of perjury. ...at the least.




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[DeeDee249]

Just bc a person knows something doesnt mean he was involved in the actual crime.

Of course. But lying to police or withholding knowledge of a crime is a crime in itself. So is obstruction of justice.

 

[mason503]

Colorado Crimes – 18-8-104. Obstructing a peace officer, firefighter, emergency medical services provider, rescue specialist, or volunteer.

Other actions which can bring about the charge of obstruction of justice charge include:

• Interference of an investigation
• Picketing and using a megaphone in front of the courts without a permit
• Falsifying, hiding or destroying evidence and lying while participating in an investigation
• Lying to law enforcement during questioning
• Giving a false statement
• Resisting Arrest
• Falsifying, hiding or destroying documents
• Paying someone else to give false evidence or testimony
• Attempting to influence a jury or witness before or during trial
• Assaulting or threatening a person for operating in a police investigation
• Obstructing court orders

In fact, any action that interferes or hinders the daily operations of any of the three branches of government can bring about an obstruction of justice charge.