The Grand Jury & Trial

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Oh snap, y'all...I just found the notes I took from the first hearing!

Chik Fil A was 2-3 times a month, special "Daddy-Son" time.
Arrived at 9am. Verified receipts & video. Child appeared awake and happy on video. Left at 9:19 am. Drove straight to work. 0.6 miles. Stop light where he would have needed to turn for daycare was 1-2 tenths of a mile.

Arrived at 9:25 per time stamp on video. Left work at 4:15 pm.

Was going to meet up with friends for a 5pm movie.
It is less than 2 miles from HD to parking lot where JRH stopped. He pulled directly in to shopping center and stopped in the middle of a lane.

Opened rear door, removed Cooper and laid him on hot pavement. Cooper was deceased at that time.

Anthony Lonamo first person to make contact.
Behavior seemed upset, erratic. Yelling and screaming omg what have I done my child is dead and then stop with a blank look on his face.

Anthony assisted him in getting Cooper out. He had to tell JRH that they needed to do CPR, and he stared at him. Anthony started CPR and JRH walked to other side of car and got on the phone.

Officers said He was telling someone on the phone his child had died. He said he hadn't reached anyone on the phone. 3 calls: Leanna, HD Corporate x2. 2nd call went thru for 6 min to Toddler Room. He denies again when asked after the phone records showed the calls.

JRH said he took Cooper to the car and put him in the vehicle "strapped him in right" and spiel about watching you tube videos showing car seat regulations and that this was the right car seat and the right way of strapping him in.

He kissed Cooper on the head because he always gives him a kiss in case they get in a car accident and he dies he wanted Cooper's to remember that his daddy loves him.

He had to make a UTurn to go to work from CFA . Had to look to his right to do so. Photos into evidence showing placement of seat.

The car seat is visible from outside the car. It takes 30-40 seconds to get to the light where the UTurn had to happen.

Daycare employees said normally after a CFA day Cooper would come in talkative and happy. JRH denied anything unusual distracting him when he arrived at work.

He pulls past a space, then reverses, between two cars. Then pulls forward into another spot. To the left driver side is another car. So the drivers side of the other vehicle is far from Justin's car. Then the right side is grass. No backing camera. Would have needed to use mirrors to back up.

He had a large computer bag sitting in front of passenger seat. He had to lean across center console to get bag. A mannequin shows Cooper's head was clearly visible above the car seat. He spends 30 seconds in car after parking.

Owners manual said Cooper exceeded requirements by several inches.

At lunch 2 friends picked him up. Ate at Publix hot bar, went to UPS store, then returned. Left at 11:30 and returned at 12:30 approximate. He never mentioned returning to the car during the day. Video showed he returned to the car at 12:42. A green car pulled up (by JRH's SUV). JRH left out that he had gone to HD at lunch and purchased light bulbs. He got out and they (green car) immediately took off. He approaches car at an angle opens drivers side door.( car seat visible as proven by photos). All the way inside the frame of the car but tosses the light bulbs inside the car. When he reaches in, he turns his head a little bit. Shut door, walks in to HD.

A person passes him walking towards his car as he's walking away. He stops. Stands there as man walks past. As he gets close to JRH car he starts a little but then as the man passes JrH gets on cell phone and walks into HD.

At 1:30 pm group email received from daycare.

Movie was a 5 pm movie.

No records from AT&T for six weeks or more. Phone itself shows calls: around 4pm incoming from L missed, outgoing to L missed, outgoing to L connected for about 1 min. 4:04 pm
No texts from L that afternoon.

Tix to movie: his friend was going to buy his ticket. At 3:45 he group chatted he would be late to movie. JRH said he had left work early to get to the movie and beat the after work rush. Left at 4:16pm. 10 min to theater. Left 9 min after phone call with L.

Demeanor: fluctuates "tried to work himself up" walking around, rubbing eyes. Appeared to be trying to hyperventilate himself, then would stop. Looked thru map. Sit up, sit down. No tears or emotion other than "huffing".

Used to work in LE. Det. Stoddard has been told he worked at a jailer and as a dispatcher. In JRH's own words he said 5 years as dispatcher in Tuscaloosa. Would use cop speak "alpha bravo" etc.

Wife: showed up at 4:51. At Cooper's room she saw Michelle. L here to pick up Cooper. "Ross never dropped him off." Got really calm. "I don't know what to do." Suddenly states Ross must have left him in the car. "There's no other explanation. Ross must have left him in the car." They said there could be other reasons and she said no.

Her reaction at the scene. No emotion when notified. States "this is her worst nightmare". After being told Cooper was deceased she asked to see Ross. Not Cooper.

Phone call with her mom : Grandma started screaming what to you mean Cooper is no longer here? Why aren't you crying? L said I must be in shock. Gma was so loud detectives could hear her side of conversation.

In room together. Ross got emotional. All about him. I can't believe this happened to me why am I being punished for this, I'm gonna lose my job I'll be charged with a felony. Wife had him sit down and she said "Well did you say too much?"

"He (Cooper) looked peaceful. Eyes and mouth closed." Photos show eyes and mouth were not closed. "Looked like sleeping." Defendant said "I dreaded how he would look.".

That's from Det Stoddard's testimony at the first hearing.
 
  • #1,062
Oh snap, y'all...I just found the notes I took from the first hearing!



That's from Det Stoddard's testimony at the first hearing.

Thanks for bringing up those notes. The "did you say too much" comment from ex-wife pops out to me as further indication that they researched hot car deaths because Ross had left Cooper in the car in the past. They both knew the dangers - she tried to get him to stop that habit, and he ignored the risks. I don't think it indicates he planned to murder his child, but I do think it indicates he knew he left Cooper in the car intending to go back.

JMOpinion at the moment....subject to change once we hear the case presented in court!
 
  • #1,063
I had forgotten that he originally didn't tell police about the light bulbs at all. At the very least he was trying to cover that up, because he knew it would look bad for him to have actually been at the car mid-day and not noticed Cooper. Which for me is more proof that he was checking to see if he was dead yet at lunchtime.
 
  • #1,064
I had forgotten that he originally didn't tell police about the light bulbs at all. At the very least he was trying to cover that up, because he knew it would look bad for him to have actually been at the car mid-day and not noticed Cooper. Which for me is more proof that he was checking to see if he was dead yet at lunchtime.

Weird that he remembered something so obscure as 'pick up lightbulbs at lunch break' but..... forgot he was in charge of daycare drop off, forgot his son was in the car 1/10th to 2/10ths of the mile down the road after buckling him in, didn't see his head inches from his face as he was making the U-turn 30-40 seconds into the drive, didn't see his head while backing up to a space at work, didn't see his head while grabbing his bag from the passenger seat, didn't see his head when he tossed in apparently unbreakable lightbulbs at lunch, didn't see his head while climbing in and putting his bag back on passenger seat....

(I read 'received group email' as RH opened the email--could be wrong, but bear with me)

Memory wasn't jogged when likely benign group email opened from daycare, memory wasn't jogged when he CAN remember for Leanna the she has a responsibility to pick up Cooper that day....

But then, oops, memory goes again when talking to police about how his day went since he just now totally forgot those lightbulbs he had no problem remembering he needed at lunch! :thinking:
 
  • #1,065
Thanks for bringing up those notes. The "did you say too much" comment from ex-wife pops out to me as further indication that they researched hot car deaths because Ross had left Cooper in the car in the past. They both knew the dangers - she tried to get him to stop that habit, and he ignored the risks. I don't think it indicates he planned to murder his child, but I do think it indicates he knew he left Cooper in the car intending to go back.

JMOpinion at the moment....subject to change once we hear the case presented in court!

IMO, if that's what happened, if they both know he did this in the past, that is was a 'habit--leaving him in the car while he did other things-- to the extent of Leanna's reviewing how dangerous it could be, that's criminal negligence on his behalf, felony murder.

There is something very disturbing to the "he must have left him in the car"... "There's no other explanation". My first thoughts would be 'did they get into an accident on the way to daycare? Did hubby decide to play hooky from work so he kept him home? Did the never leave the house this morning? Let me call hubby and see what's going on". Her response sounds something like she either A) Already knew Cooper was dead in the car ('when are you picking up my little buddy' was code), or B) Knew it was highly probable Cooper was left in the car for convenience, because she knew Ross did this all the time.)

I just realized. It could be a combination of both scenarios. This could have been his habit, she knew it, and after viewing hot car death information together because his wife was trying to scare him straight, a proverbial lightbulb went off over his head. These things happen every year. The public feels horrible for the poor, devastated parent. Once he explains the 'accident', LE would likely not press charges, the public would feel sorry for him.....and he'd be child free.

Just a thought...
 
  • #1,066
Stand-by-your-man in public kinda thing. Cindy Anthony was the same way with Casey-public support at the funeral. What goes on in private may be a totally different matter.

IMO, if he did have this habit and she did know, hence the videos, and she let LE and the public know he did this kind of thing repeatedly but she still allowed him to take him places in the car, repeatedly, she's possibly criminally negligent and would have been even more harshly judged by the public.
 
  • #1,067
Don't you have to replinish the diaper bag everyday at daycare. Wouldnt he have seen toys or snacks or a diaper bag in the back seat along with the car seat. Wouldnt he see Coopers little arm hanging out of the seat?

Very strange to be in and out of the car 4 times and not see something before pulling over.

We did. If they are not potty trained must have an adequate number of diapers for the day, and wipes, and for all kids they had to have a seasonally appropriate change of clothes in case they get super dirty/wet in the course of the day. The bag came home with us every day, and we had to bring it back properly stocked. Putting the daycare diaper bag on the passenger seat next to your purse or briefcase is a common way for parents to be sure they 'remember' they have a kid with them.

Have we heard anything about a diaper bag (front seat, back seat, left it at home, left it at daycare)? Guessing if it was on the front passenger seat, we'd already know that.
 
  • #1,068
If he left the child intentionally because he was late and then "forgot" you would think that when he remembered he would have ran as fast as he could out to that car and got his child out as fast as he could and called for help. He didn't. I'm not buying the forgetful nonsense.
 
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Bill Rankin ‏@ajccourts 3m3 minutes ago
There are now 21 qualified jurors for #RossHarris Trial. Prosecution, defense agree to qualify 4, judge denies 1 defense motion to strike.
 
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Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 16m16 minutes ago Marietta, GA
Defense is wisely concerned about "stealth jurors" in #JustinRossHarris #hotcardeath case jury selection

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 46m46 minutes ago Marietta, GA
Worth noting is that every denied defense motion to strike for cause will be part of any appeal in #JustinRossHarris #hotcardeath case⚖
 
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Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 2h2 hours ago

#RossHarrisTrial Defense is moving to strike jurors based on repeatedly-stated opinions that Ross Harris is guilty. @wsbradio


Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 1h1 hour ago

Judge says #31's questionnaire would disqualify her ("I know he's guilty."). She's struck for cause. #RossHarrisTrial @wsbradio


Audrey Washington Verified account  ‏@AudreyWSBTV · 3h3 hours ago

Ross Harris looking upset, as potential juror discusses how Cooper died inside a hot car. #RossHarrisTrial @wsbtv
 
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Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 2h2 hours ago

Judge Staley making careful rulings in choosing jury pool. Notes 1 woman's questionnaire & answers in court were "diametrically opposed."
 
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Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 2h2 hours ago

Veronica Waters Retweeted Bill Rankin

Starting off the morning with a rarity: a juror with no preconceived notions in the #RossHarrisTrial.


Juror #36 in #RossHarris trial says he has formed no opinion as to guilt/innocence. He works in a warehouse and has lived in Cobb 10 yrs.
 
  • #1,074
IMO, if that's what happened, if they both know he did this in the past, that is was a 'habit--leaving him in the car while he did other things-- to the extent of Leanna's reviewing how dangerous it could be, that's criminal negligence on his behalf, felony murder.

There is something very disturbing to the "he must have left him in the car"... "There's no other explanation". My first thoughts would be 'did they get into an accident on the way to daycare? Did hubby decide to play hooky from work so he kept him home? Did the never leave the house this morning? Let me call hubby and see what's going on". Her response sounds something like she either A) Already knew Cooper was dead in the car ('when are you picking up my little buddy' was code), or B) Knew it was highly probable Cooper was left in the car for convenience, because she knew Ross did this all the time.)

I just realized. It could be a combination of both scenarios. This could have been his habit, she knew it, and after viewing hot car death information together because his wife was trying to scare him straight, a proverbial lightbulb went off over his head. These things happen every year. The public feels horrible for the poor, devastated parent. Once he explains the 'accident', LE would likely not press charges, the public would feel sorry for him.....and he'd be child free.

Just a thought...


I don't believe (at the moment, without hearing all the evidence) that he intended to kill Cooper, so I don't believe he thought about killing Cooper as he watched that video (videos) with LeAnne.

But I do find that video-watching together odd. It's possible LeAnne simply had a deep, even irrational fear of hot car deaths ("my worst nightmare") that was unrelated to Ross and anything he had or had not done, and that she asked him to watch the video with her to help explain her fear to him. Maybe that fear was why her very first thought at daycare was that Ross had left Cooper in the car.

Another possibility is that LeAnne insisted Ross watch the video to “scare him straight” as you say, because she knew he’d left Cooper alone in the car before. My question is, is it just me, or how weird is that??

Everyone and every marriage is different, but if I found out my DH had out of negligence or recklessness put our son at risk, much less had put him in a potentially fatal situation, I would not need a video to explain the situation or myself to him, and when I was done he would have no confusion whatsoever what was at stake or how I felt.


If he did the same thing again after that, reaching for a video is about the last thing in the world I would do. At that point I’d be forced to conclude that something was seriously wrong with my DH, and no matter how many practical or marital problems it caused, I would refuse to allow my DH to take out my son out alone until (or unless) I had been reassured by professional what-evers, not my DH, that our son was safe with him.

What’s also remarkable to me is what’s implicit in her immediate assumption at daycare that Ross had left Cooper in the car—that necessarily, she believed it was possible that Ross had left Cooper in the car and had forgotten about him for the ENTIRE DAY (I don’t believe it’s likely that it crossed her mind Ross had killed Cooper, or that he’d realized Cooper was dead and had done nothing).

What that suggests, IMO, is that she knew or thought that there was something more wrong with Ross than “just” gross immaturity. Immature is whining about not being able to go out and play with his friends, or spending money they didn’t have by running up their charge cards, even indulging in multiple infidelities rather than accepting the responsibility of working on what was wrong in their marriage.

Being capable of risking his own son’s life even after being confronted by his wife and after being informed of the consequences of his negligence, no matter what the reasons/causes/excuses for that negligence? IMO, that’s not immaturity. At best, it is reckless indifference about the harm he knew he was capable of causing his son.


LeAnne? Leaving aside moral or legal culpability, I think it’s possible: she realized immediately that Ross had left Cooper in the car (again) and the terrible mistake she’d made of allowing Ross to continue driving Cooper; that Ross confirmed her worst fear when he called her as he waited for LE to arrive; that she thought it would be worse for Ross (and perhaps for herself) if she told LE he’d left Cooper in the car alone before and had forgotten about him; and that she neither expected or demanded different behavior from Ross than what he displayed at the jail because she knew he was incapable, and perhaps, because she felt (still feels?) complicit in Cooper’s death because she didn’t prevent it from happening.
 
  • #1,075
If Ross get mostly men on the jury than it may result in a not guilty or hung trial.

The sexting will destroy him in the eyes of most female jurors but he may find 1 or 2 men that may still give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
  • #1,076
We did. If they are not potty trained must have an adequate number of diapers for the day, and wipes, and for all kids they had to have a seasonally appropriate change of clothes in case they get super dirty/wet in the course of the day. The bag came home with us every day, and we had to bring it back properly stocked. Putting the daycare diaper bag on the passenger seat next to your purse or briefcase is a common way for parents to be sure they 'remember' they have a kid with them.

Have we heard anything about a diaper bag (front seat, back seat, left it at home, left it at daycare)? Guessing if it was on the front passenger seat, we'd already know that.



The possibility of forgetting one's child is in the car is common enough for parents to feel they need a system to remind themselves?? That's incomprehensible to me. I've put coffee pots in the refrigerator, driven away from a gas station or store with my purse on top of my car multiple times (sadly), on a daily basis forget where I've put my glasses or important papers or to make that call someone is expecting, but I have never, not once, forgotten my son was in the car. This case aside, in my real world, I literally can't imagine how it's possible to do so.
 
  • #1,077
June 18 2014 was a Wednesday.

Maddox Kilgore, said Harris texted his wife at 3:16 p.m. that day and said, "When are you going to get my buddy?
*http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/justin_ross_harris_hearing_bri.html

A couple (well, more than that) of paragraphs in the article above struck me WRT decomposition odor:

Harris' friends dropped him off at this SUV, at which time police said he opened the door to his vehicle, turned his head to one side and "tossed" the package of light bulbs into the vehicle.


When he got into his vehicle to leave the office about 4:15 p.m., Harris didn't roll down the windows, despite the day's hot temperatures, Stoddard testified. He then drove less than two miles before he pulled into a strip mall, jumped out of the SUV, and pulled Cooper from his car seat.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/justin_ross_harris_hearing_bri.html

1) Did he turn his head away from the vehicle due to not wanting to see what he knew would be his dead son? And /Or was the odor so bad, he couldn't deal with it?

2) At the end of his workday when he got in his car, did he not roll the windows down in his car due to his not wanting his co-workers smelling the odor from his car?

These little tidbits were not overlooked by the prosecution; maybe they will be presented in the trial as well.

This man really thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Narcissism, thy name is Justin Ross Harris, IMO.
 
  • #1,078
If Ross get mostly men on the jury than it may result in a not guilty or hung trial.

The sexting will destroy him in the eyes of most female jurors but he may find 1 or 2 men that may still give him the benefit of the doubt.

As a female, I don't believe that JRH's sexting makes him a murderer. There are plenty of people who are unfaithful to their spouse who don't end up killing their child. However, I am deeply troubled by the fact that JRH was allegedly sexting immediately before leaving CFA and resumed almost immediately after arriving at work. I can't help but think that this distraction contributed to Cooper being left in the car. I just can't move past the fact that he was so caught up in exchanging naked pictures that his child was left in a car to bake.

I have not ruled out that JRH intentionally left Cooper in the car, but I am having a harder time accepting that he merely forgot. Of course, this assumes that what I have heard from the media is true, but I do have doubts about that as well. The trial will help with this.

I do think that the gender make-up of the jury will likely affect the verdict.
 
  • #1,079
The possibility of forgetting one's child is in the car is common enough for parents to feel they need a system to remind themselves?? That's incomprehensible to me. I've put coffee pots in the refrigerator, driven away from a gas station or store with my purse on top of my car multiple times (sadly), on a daily basis forget where I've put my glasses or important papers or to make that call someone is expecting, but I have never, not once, forgotten my son was in the car. This case aside, in my real world, I literally can't imagine how it's possible to do so.

No, you misunderstand me. To be SURE they remember...after hearing one of these horror stories. They don't *need* it to remember, but it's a handy little trick to assure they can't possibly forget.


Take the following steps to prevent a tragedy from happening:
•Make a habit of looking in the back seat before leaving and locking the car
•Put your briefcase, purse or cell phone in the back as an extra reminder to check the back seats
•Put the diaper bag right next to you as another reminder

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs165/1101779703307/archive/1121663380098.html

Set up reminders – Create visual clues to remind yourself the baby is in the car. Place something you need next to the car seat such as a purse, briefcase or phone. This will force you to open the back door before you walk away. Place a visual reminder within your eye line, as well. Use something that belongs to the child – a blanket or diaper bag perhaps.
http://dailyparent.com/articles/how-to-avoid-hot-car-injury-or-death/

I never forgot, nor did my husband, and we switched back and forth day to day who was taking and who was picking up.
 
  • #1,080
The possibility of forgetting one's child is in the car is common enough for parents to feel they need a system to remind themselves?? That's incomprehensible to me. I've put coffee pots in the refrigerator, driven away from a gas station or store with my purse on top of my car multiple times (sadly), on a daily basis forget where I've put my glasses or important papers or to make that call someone is expecting, but I have never, not once, forgotten my son was in the car. This case aside, in my real world, I literally can't imagine how it's possible to do so.
Also you don't have to be a brainiac to know vehicles heat up quick. If we stop for gas and my husband goes in to pay I make sure the windows are open because even in those few minutes it becomes unbearable for me.
Also, anybody that has gotten into a hot car after work etc. Knows how bad it gets.

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