Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

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Do they expect to have findings? I will be shocked but very pleased if they do.

The Coroner may have an "open finding". But her report will still be interesting to read, I think. They usually go over the relevant circumstances in the inquest report. imo


..... the Coroner may not be able to answer all of the questions and will make what is referred to as an open finding.

 
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Sadly, I feel that politics and ego has waylaid this investigation and avenues that should have been followed up have been shut down. I don't believe we will get answers now.
 
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Ex-detective slams William Tyrrell inquest for delivering ‘zero’ after years of delays​

“The William Tyrrell inquest has “delivered zero”, leaving his family in limbo for six years, the former lead cop says.

After more than six years of hearings and delays, the families of missing boy William Tyrrell is no closer to knowing when a coroner investigating his fate will finally hand down her findings.

A spokesperson for the NSW Coroner’s Court this month confirmed no date had been fixed for the findings, more than a year after the final evidence was heard.”




 
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Ex-detective slams William Tyrrell inquest for delivering ‘zero’ after years of delays​

“The William Tyrrell inquest has “delivered zero”, leaving his family in limbo for six years, the former lead cop says.

After more than six years of hearings and delays, the families of missing boy William Tyrrell is no closer to knowing when a coroner investigating his fate will finally hand down her findings.

A spokesperson for the NSW Coroner’s Court this month confirmed no date had been fixed for the findings, more than a year after the final evidence was heard.”




I wonder if someone, or an organization, has challenged a decision that was part of the inquest, and the coroner can't move forward until that has made its way through the courts.
 
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I'm starting to wonder if this is a cover up involving someone important. The Epstein files have made me see how investigations get stalled or shut down to protect powerful pedophiles. The amount of stalling and fumbling in this case is unacceptable. I don't think for a second this case is Epstein-related, but could it be an Australian version? I have no thoughts on who it could be, it just seems like a distinct possibility.
 
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I'm starting to wonder if this is a cover up involving someone important. The Epstein files have made me see how investigations get stalled or shut down to protect powerful pedophiles. The amount of stalling and fumbling in this case is unacceptable. I don't think for a second this case is Epstein-related, but could it be an Australian version? I have no thoughts on who it could be, it just seems like a distinct possibility.
Angeline, maybe you are close in your wondering; some exploiting has been suggested as per this link:


"She fears William has been “exploited by other people with their own agendas” in the years that followed, during which his unsolved disappearance became the focus of a controversial and high-profile police investigation."
 
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Angeline, maybe you are close in your wondering; some exploiting has been suggested as per this link:


"She fears William has been “exploited by other people with their own agendas” in the years that followed, during which his unsolved disappearance became the focus of a controversial and high-profile police investigation."
Thanks, I hadn't seen that article before.

What this tells me is that Young Hope knew that William was being taken to Kendall and when. Presumably they knew the address too.

So, that means more people had knowledge of William's whereabouts than just his carers.
 
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that article before.

What this tells me is that Young Hope knew that William was being taken to Kendall and when. Presumably they knew the address too.

So, that means more people had knowledge of William's whereabouts than just his carers.
.... Just to point out though that with a change of plan on when to leave for their visit, William had apparently disappeared by around 10.30 am on 12/9/2014.
I wonder if Young Hope were advised about the change before the 12/9/2014.

11 September, 2014:

2.50pm: On a last minute change of plan, the foster mother and father leave their Sydney home, drop their cats at kennels.


4pm: The foster parents collect William and his sister from childcare and start the drive up to Kendall one day earlier than planned, via the F3, stopping en route at Caltex, Wyong and then, at 6.35pm, Raymond Terrace McDonalds.

The foster carers stopped with William and his sister at Raymond Terrace McDonalds.

The foster carers stopped with William and his sister at Raymond Terrace McDonalds.
9pm: Foster parents and William and his sister arrive at Benaroon Drive. The kids are put to bed in different rooms and the foster mother discusses broken washing machine with her mother.
 
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.... Just to point out though that with a change of plan on when to leave for their visit, William had apparently disappeared by around 10.30 am on 12/9/2014.
I wonder if Young Hope were advised about the change before the 12/9/2014.

Good question. I'm not familiar with the foster system, but apparently the agency is legally responsible for the child and has to give permission for out of town trips. I'm assuming the carers had to tell Young Hope of the last minute change in case there was an incident on the way to Kendall.

From chatgpt:

Foster parents are generally required to inform the agency if they plan to take a foster child out of town, including visits to relatives. This is because foster children are under the legal custody of the state or a child welfare agency, and the agency is responsible for their safety and well-being.

Here’s why:
Safety and supervision – The agency needs to know where the child is and who will be responsible for them.

Legal liability – If something happens while the child is away, the agency needs to be aware for legal and protective reasons.

Case plan requirements – The child’s case plan may specify contact rules, overnight visits, or travel restrictions.

Emergency contact – The agency may want to provide guidance or ensure consent from birth parents if required.

Typically, foster parents must submit a request or notification in advance, sometimes including:
Destination and duration of the trip
Who will be present
Contact information during the trip
Reason for the visit (e.g., family connection)

Some agencies allow short local visits without prior approval, but out-of-town trips almost always require prior consent.
 
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Good question. I'm not familiar with the foster system, but apparently the agency is legally responsible for the child and has to give permission for out of town trips. I'm assuming the carers had to tell Young Hope of the last minute change in case there was an incident on the way to Kendall.

From chatgpt:

Foster parents are generally required to inform the agency if they plan to take a foster child out of town, including visits to relatives. This is because foster children are under the legal custody of the state or a child welfare agency, and the agency is responsible for their safety and well-being.

Here’s why:
Safety and supervision – The agency needs to know where the child is and who will be responsible for them.

Legal liability – If something happens while the child is away, the agency needs to be aware for legal and protective reasons.

Case plan requirements – The child’s case plan may specify contact rules, overnight visits, or travel restrictions.

Emergency contact – The agency may want to provide guidance or ensure consent from birth parents if required.

Typically, foster parents must submit a request or notification in advance, sometimes including:
Destination and duration of the trip
Who will be present
Contact information during the trip
Reason for the visit (e.g., family connection)

Some agencies allow short local visits without prior approval, but out-of-town trips almost always require prior consent.
There was talk here at one time to the effect that the foster family had bulk approval for taking William to Kendall whenever. I'm not sure now whether that was confirmed.
 
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Good question. I'm not familiar with the foster system, but apparently the agency is legally responsible for the child and has to give permission for out of town trips. I'm assuming the carers had to tell Young Hope of the last minute change in case there was an incident on the way to Kendall.

From chatgpt:

Foster parents are generally required to inform the agency if they plan to take a foster child out of town, including visits to relatives. This is because foster children are under the legal custody of the state or a child welfare agency, and the agency is responsible for their safety and well-being.

Here’s why:
Safety and supervision – The agency needs to know where the child is and who will be responsible for them.

Legal liability – If something happens while the child is away, the agency needs to be aware for legal and protective reasons.

Case plan requirements – The child’s case plan may specify contact rules, overnight visits, or travel restrictions.

Emergency contact – The agency may want to provide guidance or ensure consent from birth parents if required.

Typically, foster parents must submit a request or notification in advance, sometimes including:
Destination and duration of the trip
Who will be present
Contact information during the trip
Reason for the visit (e.g., family connection)

Some agencies allow short local visits without prior approval, but out-of-town trips almost always require prior consent.
Did the fosters even have to inform Young Hope, when the travel to Kendall started earlier than first planned?
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Btw, when bio parents spontaneously and anytime can leave their child/children at the grandparents' home for a day or more, then fosters aren't able to do the same, except they had informed Young Hope in advance?
 
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DBM
 
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Foster carers are given great responsibility. Are there any consequences if something happens on their watch? If I was the bio family, I would surely hope there was. Agencies take a child away from bios, bios expect their child to be cared for. This did not happen with William. The blame must remain with the agency and foster carers. MOO.
 
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Foster carers are given great responsibility. Are there any consequences if something happens on their watch? If I was the bio family, I would surely hope there was. Agencies take a child away from bios, bios expect their child to be cared for. This did not happen with William. The blame must remain with the agency and foster carers. MOO.
JMO - BreakingNews, your own opinion appears to align as per the podcast:-


"Michelle White and Ben Atwood have spoken publicly for the first time since William disappeared on September 12, 2014 in interviews with the news.com.au podcast Witness: William Tyrrell.

Both worked for Young Hope, a Salvation Army service that oversaw William’s foster placement.

As Young Hope’s founder and director, Ms White was responsible for William’s care, including allowing his foster family to make the trip to Kendall, on the Mid North Coast of NSW, where he was reported missing.

“Whilst I am not responsible for William’s disappearance, I had responsibility for him,” Ms White told the podcast, released on Tuesday.

“And so I made a very strong commitment to myself and to him, that I would not walk out on finding out what has happened to him.”

Ms White travelled to Kendall the day after William went missing, and spent several days taking photographs and making notes on what she saw there, including that his foster parents were in a state of “visceral distress”"
 

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