The Incinerator

[Sillybilly]

Okay, so what I hear you saying is that I will also need an alibi and a reason to be there, good to know

Let's not forget credibility.

 

[Juballee]

Let's not forget credibility.

Don't worry SillyBilly, that I've got in spades!

 

[Blomquist]

Let's not forget credibility.

Might take a bit of practice....but do-able.... :angel::giggle:

 

[bessie]

And that reminds me, if I'm ever going to commit a serious crime, I should go and wander onto the crime scene publicly at my first chance, and maybe take some selfies and give them to the police, so that my DNA can be excluded by the forensics team along with the officers who attended it.

rsbm

And you just might succeed at setting yourself up as a suspect. Admitting you were present doesn't buy you an automatic exclusion. Without a legitimate explanation for your presence, you might fall under suspicion. Since you've placed yourself at the scene, and the investigators can ID your DNA, you could be in quite a pickle. JMO

 

[Archangel7]

Especially if the TOD and other time sensitive evidence lines up the crime with your presence. It would eventually be sorted out as the investigation and evidence obtained continue, but still a pickle.

 

[redheadedgal]

many guilty verdicts are reached by jurors on circumstantial evidence, beyond a reason of a doubt. Great example Drew Peterson...guilty of murdering his wives. HTH.

to stick to the facts, DP has been convicted of murdering kathleen savio. stacy is still missing.

 

[bessie]

Especially if the TOD and other time sensitive evidence lines up the crime with your presence. It would eventually be sorted out as the investigation and evidence obtained continue, but still a pickle.

One likely would be cleared if s/he's innocent. Juballee's post suggested it as a means for a perp to avoid detection, and that would be foolish, imo. As you say, TOD would come into play. The perp would be asked to account for his whereabouts, and would be hard-pressed to provide an alibi that could pass the muster. While I realize the statement was somewhat tongue in cheek, the point to be made is that bypassers aren't given an automatic pass simply by admitting to their presence.

 

[Archangel7]

Lol, yes Bessie in her particular scenario it would get real interesting about then.

 

[swedie]

I'm sorry, maybe I missed something or have forgotten. You think the neighbour went on the property twice? Once when he saw the incinerator and again on the Friday to take the picture and phone police?

He would have known it wasn't in the same place without going back on the property from all the news photos of where the tents were set up.

JMO

Do we know which neighbours took the pictures? From what it appears to me, the neighbours whose property is elevated to DM's property have a good view of the area where the incinerator was, whether in the bush or in the field. If that was the neighbour, he would not have had to gone back twice, he could see it from his own property. For all we know, the close neighbours of DM's property could be friends or relatives and converse often. What one neighbour saw could have been discussed with the other neighbour prompting picture taking. Likely they both saw or heard some suspicious commotion that night. IIRC there was a picture in MSM of the neighbours; one inside a black Dodge truck and another one standing outside on the driver's side of the truck.

Interesting to note from the article, DM was been told not to have contact with two witnesses. Could these witnesses be the helpful neighbours who lead LE to the farmland where TB's body was discovered? We have only heard of three other witness; BO, the person who saw TB's truck in Brantford and SB. But these two witnesses seem to fit into the flow of the article. HTH and :moo:

A man coming to check on a plane at a private airstrip across the road said he was told police had been at the farm property over the weekend, possibly as early as Friday.

Millard is under a court order to have no contact with two witnesses involved in the Bosma case. The identities of both men are covered by a publication ban.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242933-tim-bosma-police-search-focused-in-waterloo-region/

 

[swedie]

Something else to consider and I believe someone posted a ariel view somewhere in this forum and it was discussed, but don't remember the findings. The neighbour's property line could abut close enough to DM's property without them going onto his property to get pictures. Some cell phones do have the feature of zoom. HTH and MOO.

 

[swedie]

Why seize it if it isn't evidence? Along with the Bobcat which IMO believe is stolen property.

Bosma’s body was found on May 14, during a police search of Millard's property. The incinerator has been seized as evidence.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...-millard-livestock-incinerator-135236909.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting to note from the article, DM was been told not to have contact with two witnesses ...

<rsbm>

Yet a different article in The Spec says:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3...used-in-bosma-murder-barely-audible-in-court/

Both accused have been ordered to have no contact with a long list of people. Their lists are nearly identical, although Smich has three additional names on his. The identities of those named are protected by a publication ban, as is any evidence against Smich and Millard.

"It could interfere with this case if this list of names was published," the court was told by Deputy Crown attorney Tony Leitch, who is prosecuting both accused.

 

[robynhood]

"Wherever he steps, wherever he touches, whatever he leaves, even without consciousness, will serve as a silent witness against him his fingerprints or his footprints, but his hair, the fibers from his clothes, the glass he breaks, the tool mark he leaves, the paint he scratches, the blood or semen he deposits or collects. All of these and more, bear mute witness against him. This is evidence that does not forget. It is not confused by the excitement of the moment. It is not absent because human witnesses are. It is factual evidence. Physical evidence cannot be wrong, it cannot perjure itself, it cannot be wholly absent. Only human failure to find it, study and understand it, can diminish its value." - Paul L. Kirk. 1953. Crime investigation: physical evidence and the police laboratory. Interscience Publishers, Inc.: New York.

Edward Locard........"Every contact leaves a trace."

He is the father of the Locard's Principleit holds that the perpetrator of a crime will bring something into the crime scene and leave with something from it, and that both can be used as forensic evidence.

...THANKS I could not have said it" better"....When the CROWN pulls out all the evidence in court...we will not have ANY thing to dispute....I believe a fingerprint is a fingerprint....can't DENY WHO"S HAND IT MATCHES....:fence:...there will be no DOUBT....and after they carted away all that posters have linked here ...I am confident...it shall point the finger ...( PUN) at the CRIMINALS ....NO doubt left...the END...bye bye.....and I will Gladly tweet it here....thanks again Archangel you spelled it OUT LOUD AND CLEAR....I have been reading it all for days.thanks robynhood...what a fitting screen name for q tweeter....:blushing:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Something I found very interesting and makes me highly suspicious is the FACT LE also hauled away not only the incinerator but also the Bobcat... :sick:

Some things fit so nicely together and are perceptible, while some things leave room for speculation IMO. What I find interesting is when LE searched the hangar they found stolen vehicles. I have seen pictures of this Bobcat in the hangar prior to it's move to the farmland. This leads me to assume the Bobcat was also a stole vehicle. If they had the gall to steal a trailer and motorcycle in broad daylight, I can see them being stupid enough to steal a Bobcat also. Not to mention the BO's test drive in broad daylight. Why was the Bobcat hidden amongst the trees in the swampy area on the farmland? Yes I did say hidden. :moo:

There was mention in an article I posted back there about DM excavating in the winter... Someone IIRC Redhead suggested contaminated soil or something to that effect. Seems like an odd time of year to be concerned with contaminated soil. Cold and freezing temperatures tend to affect/kill off contamination and the ground would be harder to work in the winter months. My assumption is DM was just trying out the Bobcat that was brought out of hiding from the hangar. Just another play toy he felt like firing up in December IMHO.

The point I am making is, LE hauled the Bobcat away because it was also connected to some crime. I highly doubt, should there not have been any connection, they wouldn't have bothered with it. Hopefully they found the rightful owner. :yesss: Yes all :moo:

The only picture I saw of a Bobcat in a building was in Manitoba, where the owner of the picture was working at the time. I haven't seen one in the hangar.

The excavating of the swampy area of the farm was being done in March, according to the neighbour who took the pictures. Maybe that's why it was "hidden" in the swampy area by what appears to be a corn field - because that's where they were excavating.

https://twitter.com/trevorjdunn/media/grid

The temperatures in March ranged from highs of 26.8 C to lows of -12.9 C. The water in the swamp wasn't frozen.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/historical-weather/canada/ontario/ancaster

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Do we know which neighbours took the pictures? From what it appears to me, the neighbours whose property is elevated to DM's property have a good view of the area where the incinerator was, whether in the bush or in the field. If that was the neighbour, he would not have had to gone back twice, he could see it from his own property. For all we know, the close neighbours of DM's property could be friends or relatives and converse often. What one neighbour saw could have been discussed with the other neighbour prompting picture taking. Likely they both saw or heard some suspicious commotion that night. IIRC there was a picture in MSM of the neighbours; one inside a black Dodge truck and another one standing outside on the driver's side of the truck.

Interesting to note from the article, DM was been told not to have contact with two witnesses. Could these witnesses be the helpful neighbours who lead LE to the farmland where TB's body was discovered? We have only heard of three other witness; BO, the person who saw TB's truck in Brantford and SB. But these two witnesses seem to fit into the flow of the article. HTH and :moo:

A man coming to check on a plane at a private airstrip across the road said he was told police had been at the farm property over the weekend, possibly as early as Friday.

Millard is under a court order to have no contact with two witnesses involved in the Bosma case. The identities of both men are covered by a publication ban.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242933-tim-bosma-police-search-focused-in-waterloo-region/

The neighbours who took the pictures of the incinerator were two men who were working on a farm near the property.

Two men working on a farm near Millard’s property on Roseville Road in North Dumfries said Wednesday afternoon that one of them took a photo of what appears to be an incinerator on Millard’s property. The pair, who did not want to be identified, said police have since seized the phone with the photo on it and told the men not to speak to media about the image.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243068-lawyer-says-millard-to-plead-not-guilty-in-tim-bosma-murder/

The neighbour on the hill is the one who did not want to talk to the press.

A woman answered the front door of the house on a well-groomed property on a hill overlooking the police investigation.

Her dog barked at her side.

Yes, she knew what was going on at the bottom of the hill.

No, she did not care to comment.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242980-bosma-found-dead-in-region/

The neighbours who were in the picture, with one inside the Ram truck and one outside taking a picture, are just two neighbours who stopped by to watch the police investigation going on at the farm and took a picture of that. Click on the thumb tack closest to the road on the map.

http://www.cbc.ca/kitchener-waterloo/features/millard-farm/index.html

HTH

 

[Snoofo]

<rsbm>

Yet a different article in The Spec says:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3...used-in-bosma-murder-barely-audible-in-court/

You are both right.

Swedie produced an article dated 14 May, therefore written prior to formal charges being laid at DM s first court appearance on 15 May where the extended no-contact list was read. I saw an Iinterview with DP (which can be found on youtube IIRC) whereby he indicates a similar list, but maybe shorter, was produced the day after DMs arrest.

Sbilly, without reading it, if the Spec mentions both lists, then it was written much later, after Smich's first court appearance.

 

[Archangel7]

Robynhood,

Thank you sincerely, that was a nice post and kind words.

Alethea ....I do remember seeing those pics and noticing(i think I even mentioned it then)that the engine is being worked on/pulled.
Was it a contractor doing it or was it DM & friends(with a yellow rental trackhoe?)

Is there any wetlands permitting needed? Around here we can't even harm the dandelions, thanks to the current regime, I'm told. Should it be any different there on the environment? Just trying to determine how odd excavating in wetlands would actually be?

 

[Snoofo]

DP talking about initial no-contact list / PBan MIGHT BE here on this cbc video. I cant open the link on the device I am using so I cant say for sure (sorry but I hth!
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Hamilton/ID/2385605761/?page=3

 

[Alethea Dice]

Alethea ....I do remember seeing those pics and noticing(i think I even mentioned it then)that the engine is being worked on/pulled.
Was it a contractor doing it or was it DM & friends(with a yellow rental trackhoe?)

Is there any wetlands permitting needed? Around here we can't even harm the dandelions, thanks to the current regime, I'm told. Should it be any different there on the environment? Just trying to determine how odd excavating in wetlands would actually be?

I have no idea who was doing the work and I really don't know much about wetlands regulations. I also don't know what type of work they were trying to do. I did find this. Would it apply?

Water Resources and Conservation

Purpose: Ensure tile drainage systems installed on agricultural land are properly designed and accurately installed.

Applicability to Agriculture: Businesses, tile drainage machines and machine operators must be licensed to install private tile drainage systems on agricultural land. Machine operators are required to successfully complete drainage courses, but this does not apply to agricultural landowners installing tile drainage on their own land using their own equipment.

Permits Required: No licence needed if the farmer is doing the work on his/her own land. A licence is required if someone else does the work.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/engineer/facts/12-027.htm#2

And this one is for the Durham area, but says you need to check with the Conservation Authority to determine if you need a permit.

http://www.cloca.com/regulation/reg_faq.php#faq2

Don't know if this helps.

 

[Archangel7]

Thanks AD,

Yes that helps and makes sense on the wetland/drainage subject .