The Incinerator

[Deleted member 102539]

You're quite right in calling me to task on that, lanman. I naturally assumed that, since the article states that the buyer stated he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals that the seller would have made a recommendation suitable for that purpose. You're also correct in pointing out that the article didn't specifically state which one was purchased, but then again, the seller has been identified and we have photographs of the incinerator found on the farm so it seemed to me IMO that this was probably the same one that was purchased. Perhaps there is a possibility that other more adequate incinerators were also bought.

Yes, I thought about more incinerators too and receivers and prices and so on.
Btw I would like to know: why said the seller "delivery like always" (I read this but have no link)??

 

[ellie b]

Yes it is.... and equally reasonable to believe that it wasn't, depending on the way we see it.

With respect and certainly not trying to be contrary but , seeing it as it is, I believe that it is less reasonable to believe that it wasn't.

 

[Eljo]

Yes I expect so...but bodies have a way of becoming very delicate after death, not easy to move especially if burnt. If even part of the body was charred it would possibly have fell apart somewhat upon moving. There would not have been the usual care of a deceased that is given when people die at home or in hospital as rigor mortis starts to set in after 15 minutes or so. The body also releases fluids etc....so its not a simple case of picking up a body and placing in a casket in this particular case, and he was not found immediately apparently.

I just can't imagine them being able to do enough damage without the incinerator being used to not be able to bury him in a casket as per his wishes. It would take awfully high/sustained temps to burn the skeleton. I just can't see it. And SB makes a point of mentioning this in her interview. I think she is revealing more than meets the eye. Jmo.

 

[Eldee]

I just can't imagine them being able to do enough damage without the incinerator being used to not be able to bury him in a casket as per his wishes. It would take awfully high/sustained temps to burn the skeleton. I just can't see it. And SB makes a point of mentioning this in her interview. I think she is revealing more than meets the eye. Jmo.

I think so too. She kept referring to this tiny box a couple or more times in her interview.

 

[matou]

If they burned Tim without using the incinerator, wouldn't that cause a fire that would need to be big enough and long lasting enough to cause the neighbours and other people concern and draw a whole lot of attention to itself? If anything, perhaps Tim was initially burned to reduce the size of his body to allow it to fit inside the incinerator without the need to dismember him. JMO

 

[Eljo]

If they burned Tim without using the incinerator, wouldn't that cause a fire that would need to be big enough and long lasting enough to cause the neighbours and other people concern and draw a whole lot of attention to itself? If anything, perhaps Tim was initially burned to reduce the size of his body to allow it to fit inside the incinerator without the need to dismember him. JMO

Although if they where sick enough to take a partially burned body and put it into an incinerator they are sick enough to dismember it first. Not to mention the attention an open fire could attract

 

[Eljo]

I think so too. She kept referring to this tiny box a couple or more times in her interview.

Eldee we are always in the same page. Whenever I read your posts I think "that's what I was thinking". Must be the common first 2 letters in our usernames. :great:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I read the phrase "cut up before burning" in newspaper but had no link.


Suspect #1: Dellen Millard *Charged* 1st Deg Murder 15
Page 3, Post #4 NiagaraElle
........... without an autopsy, the body was cut up and it had to be in order to put it in the "Eliminator" to cremate the remains.

Sources ... (all LE Media Briefing Video)
https://www.youtube.com/user/JoeyColemanCA

 

[matou]

Although if they where sick enough to take a partially burned body and put it into an incinerator they are sick enough to dismember it first. Not to mention the attention an open fire could attract

Absolutely. The incinerator WAS used, IMO. So then, where did the other activity that I'm suspicious about (and you too, I think) take place?

 

[Eljo]

That could explain the burn marks on the ground.....

 

[Eljo]

I should explain. If they dismembered the body on the ground they would want to destroy any evidence What better way than burning the ground.

 

[matou]

I should explain. If they dismembered the body on the ground they would want to destroy any evidence What better way than burning the ground.

I was speculating the same thing. Maybe the neighbour DID smell something and that made him/her notice that the incinerator had been moved from it's original position. JMO

 

[FastLikeLight]

I just can't imagine them being able to do enough damage without the incinerator being used to not be able to bury him in a casket as per his wishes.

Can LE legally cremate a (damaged) body before returning it to relatives?

 

[Eljo]

Not sure they anticipated that part. When incinerator was purchased I suspect the only thing the purchaser was concerned about was its capacity and didn't really think about the logistics of the door size. Imo

 

[Eljo]

Can LE legally cremate a (damaged) body before returning it to relatives?

I was wondering that in an earlier post. I think it would have to be the funeral home. But I'm pretty sure I read that LE handed over the box to SB. To me that does not imply an intentional cremation. Can someone confirm who SB said handed the box to her??

 

[puppyraiser]

Was it not reported somewhere that there was more ashes discovered than would typically be left with one body? That, to me, speaks of the incinerator being used. IMO, MOO, JMO

 

[skatergirl]

I was wondering that in an earlier post. I think it would have to be the funeral home. But I'm pretty sure I read that LE handed over the box to SB. To me that does not imply an intentional cremation. Can someone confirm who SB said handed the box to her??

There are some quotes from her interview here
http://www.chch.com/sharlene-bosma-in-her-own-words/
Here is Sharlene's statement about the box
“We buried Tim on Monday, and he was in a box, like this. I didn’t have a hand to hold one more time. I didn’t get to touch his cheek one more time. I held a box. A box! And for what? For a truck? Because that’s all it was! It was just a truck! So we said goodbye to a box.”

I can't watch the video as my media player is not working properly, so I can't expand further

Here is another link
http://www.chch.com/sharlene-bosma-interview-segment/

There might be more information to be obtained if you can watch the videos, if you discover anything, can you share in a post, since I can't watch it:blushing:

 

[Eljo]

Was it not reported somewhere that there was more ashes discovered than would typically be left with one body? That, to me, speaks of the incinerator being used. IMO, MOO, JMO

I think I read that as well. Would be interesting to know if one of the ground burn areas was fresher than the other. Could this explain why LE went back to dig? If they found more ashes than expected, two burn marks, one is older than the other. That would give cause to dig up the burned areas IMO.

 

[skatergirl]

Was it not reported somewhere that there was more ashes discovered than would typically be left with one body? That, to me, speaks of the incinerator being used. IMO, MOO, JMO

Here is a quote regarding this information

Despite suggestions the volume of charred material recovered exceeded what would be expected from a man of Mr. Bosma’s size, there is no evidence of additional victims, police said.

Link to the article

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...rom-property-of-suspect-in-tim-bosmas-murder/

 

[Eljo]

I can't see the video either but wouldn't you think if the family chose to cremate the remains the 'little box' comment wouldn't keep getting repeated by SB. I don't know To me it implies that this was handed to her somewhat unexpectedly. Thoughts???