The Incinerator

[Blomquist]

I believe the incinerator was noticed previously, and also noted that it had recently been moved from the location it was usually kept



Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #4 **ARREST**

Possibly means original location before being carted off by forensics ????

 

[skatergirl]

Possibly means original location before being carted off by forensics ????

Not if you read the tweets, you will see the neighbor is saying it was moved from it's original location, and there were scorch marks on the ground at it's original location. I am sure the neighbor was not there on the farm property during the forensic investigation etc being conducted by investigators.

Trevor Dunn‏@trevorjdunn7h
Millard neighbour says incinerator he photographed was moved recently. On Friday, at it's original location, the ground was scorched

Trevor Dunn‏@trevorjdunn7h
Neighbour says forensic investigation tent is now set up over burnt soil he observed Friday - where incinerator was originally located

https://twitter.com/trevorjdunn

 

[Alethea Dice]

Not if you read the tweets, you will see the neighbor is saying it was moved from it's original location, and there were scorch marks on the ground at it's original location. I am sure the neighbor was not there on the farm property during the forensic investigation etc being conducted by investigators.

That could just mean that police moved it across from the original location to have access to where the ground was scorched. The forensics tents were set up over the burned ground.

JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Not if you read the tweets, you will see the neighbor is saying it was moved from it's original location, and there were scorch marks on the ground at it's original location. I am sure the neighbor was not there on the farm property during the forensic investigation etc being conducted by investigators.

Good catch. Somehow in all the incinerator and scorched-ground talk I've participated in, I never saw this.

 

[dizzy1]

thank you swedie

Do you know if SB had the remains cremated ? The way she spoke during an interview was that she got JB back in a box ... as though that was all that was left.

"BODY" could just be a matter of terminology .... a reporter or coroner or police would say "the body" had not been released ..... they would never say .... ''the box of ashes" has not been released.

Also the term "burned beyond recognition" has a wide range .... right from a complete body with extensive exterior burns ... down to a small amount of ashes and bone fragments .... when the detective used those words it seemed purposeful and a discreet way to imply extensive incineration ... he was trying to make that point

thanks
AM

Hi AM, and welcome! I don't believe it has been reported by MSM whether TB was cremated or not. All we have to go by is the interview with SB where she makes the statement about the small box.

There is also no confirmation about the state of TB's remains when he was discovered, so it is up for speculation. IMO, I think there was more than just ash remaining, as LE was able to identify him fairly quickly. But that's JMO, and lots of other sleuthers think differently. So really, it's up to your interpretation what you believe when you try to fit the puzzle together!

 

[skatergirl]

My I respectfully suggest that you read this whole thread.... as this has been debated over and over. You may find some helpful reading and some answers to your questions in there...imo... :seeya:

Many things have been debated over and over throughout the threads in this forum, yet for some reason, we still end up back to discussing the same scenarios over and over...:seeya:

 

[skatergirl]

That could just mean that police moved it across from the original location to have access to where the ground was scorched. The forensics tents were set up over the burned ground.

JMO

Again, the neighbor is not going to be permitted on the property once an investigation is underway to say it was moved. MOO

 

[Archangel7]

Go on. Tell us more.... :groucho:


.....:detective:....

So would you say there is a slight chance that something pretty heavy-duty is going on?
lease:

(Yes, I am having fun with the smilies tonight)

I'm guessing bail has been denied.

 

[Arnie M]

My I respectfully suggest that you read this whole thread.... as this has been debated over and over. You may find some helpful reading and some answers to your questions in there...imo... :seeya:

May I respectfully inform you I have read them all

And I have found a great deal of good content and I am appreciative

Some posters I tend to mostly ignore

But in this case you addressed me personally so decided to reply

With all respect

AM

 

[skatergirl]

Welcome ArnieM:cheers:

Just back to Canada, and slightly over my jet lag, so been doing some reading to see what has been going on here recently.

So, something just jumped out at me and thought I would bring it up for some discussion. I know this article has been posted previously, and it was squashed for discussion at the time because we were already aware of the incinerator, but I find the headline telling. This article was posted June 22nd, when we and the general public had already been aware of the incinerator for over a month, so what is new about it by June?

Chilling new details in the mysterious Tim Bosma homicide

BBM

salesman Bill Penner was horrified to learn the incinerator was linked to the grisly May death of Tim Bosma

said Mr. Penner, who works at Tristar Dairy Centre, the Manitoba-based distributor. “That’s not what the unit is for.”

While Hamilton Police have offered few details, the incinerator provides a haunting glimpse into the evidence.

Since police seized the incinerator from Mr. Millard’s farm, investigators have been in regular contact with both Mr. Penner and SuperNova Manufacturing in Georgia. Tim Cook, a manager there, said police asked “how it operates and how long it takes for cremation and things like that.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

 

[Snoofo]

Welcome ArnieM:cheers:

Just back to Canada, and slightly over my jet lag, so been doing some reading to see what has been going on here recently.

So, something just jumped out at me and thought I would bring it up for some discussion. I know this article has been posted previously, and it was squashed for discussion at the time because we were already aware of the incinerator, but I find the headline telling. This article was posted June 22nd, when we and the general public had already been aware of the incinerator for over a month, so what is new about it by June?



BBM








http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Welcome back Skatergirl.
I noticed just the other day that article was recently updated (on Aug 24?) but there's no way of knowing what the changes are unless someone saved the last article. It could have been some of the lines that stand out to you now.

 

[skatergirl]

Welcome back Skatergirl.
I noticed just the other day that article was recently updated (on Aug 24?) but there's no way of knowing what the changes are unless someone saved the last article. It could have been some of the lines that stand out to you now.

I will look back and see if I can find the original, but nonetheless, my point was why was the article originally published in June, a month after known existence of the incinerator, with the headline "chilling new details", as the headline remains the same no matter what the content of the article MOO, so that lead to my question as to why it was 'new' in June?

 

[skatergirl]

No luck finding the original, and not having any luck finding a cached version either...help with that anyone?

 

[Arnie M]

Thank you skatergirl for compiling those quotes

You could also add .....

"It's like a crematorium," the officer said. "How his body was disposed of would make the hair on the back of anyone's neck curl up."
from here http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/05/20130516-090354.html

Those few hints endorse the cremation - incinerator theory
I think the incinerator will be the centerpiece of the whole case
Car theft is not an unusual crime
Car jacking has become more common because of immobilizers
But to own and use a crematorium indicates something much more sinister
The timelines indicate pre-planning (equipment in place for when it is needed)
Disposing of bodies is the necessity
The acquisition of bodies can go beyond car theft
We should expect a lot more to this story
And it will have very little to do with trucks

 

[skatergirl]

Thank you skatergirl for compiling those quotes


You could also add ..... "It's like a crematorium," the officer said. "How his body was disposed of would make the hair on the back of anyone's neck curl up."
from here http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews...16-090354.html

Those few hints endorse the cremation - incinerator theory
I think the incinerator will be the centerpiece of the whole case
Car theft is not an unusual crime
Car jacking has become more common because of immobilizers
But to own and use a crematorium indicates something much more sinister
The timelines indicate pre-planning (equipment in place for when it is needed)
Disposing of bodies is the necessity
The acquisition of bodies can go beyond car theft
We should expect a lot more to this story
And it will have very little to do with trucks

Yes ArnieM, I have posted that particular bolded comment many times throughout this thread, to reinforce the fact, as has been recently re-discussed, there was an actual body, and the condition of it was troubling to LE investigators to make such a comment, not just ashes as some have suggested recently. The sight of ashes would not make the hair curl up on the back of anyone's neck, or we would all be petrified of campfires, using woodstoves in our homes etc. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Again, the neighbor is not going to be permitted on the property once an investigation is underway to say it was moved. MOO

I'm sorry, maybe I missed something or have forgotten. You think the neighbour went on the property twice? Once when he saw the incinerator and again on the Friday to take the picture and phone police?

He would have known it wasn't in the same place without going back on the property from all the news photos of where the tents were set up.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I will look back and see if I can find the original, but nonetheless, my point was why was the article originally published in June, a month after known existence of the incinerator, with the headline "chilling new details", as the headline remains the same no matter what the content of the article MOO, so that lead to my question as to why it was 'new' in June?

According to Ann B, what was new in that story was:

1. That an employee had handled the purchase of the incinerator and that the police had been in contact with the manufacturer and the distributor.

2. That DM had studied games animation at Humber.

3. That they had pulled out of the Baja race at the 6th mile.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/06/globe-has-new-info-on-dellen-millards-incinerator-and-more.html

HTH

 

[Blomquist]

Not if you read the tweets, you will see the neighbor is saying it was moved from it's original location, and there were scorch marks on the ground at it's original location. I am sure the neighbor was not there on the farm property during the forensic investigation etc being conducted by investigators.

Gosh the Millards have some really nosey neighbours don't they...wherever they are these neighbours appear almost as if on command.... I think I need to become a recluse haha

Anyway imo...forensics would leave at night and judging by the neighbours propensity to trespass.... what if they took a look after they left....?

 

[Blomquist]

May I respectfully inform you I have read them all

And I have found a great deal of good content and I am appreciative

Some posters I tend to mostly ignore

But in this case you addressed me personally so decided to reply

With all respect

AM

Feel free to reply to me at any time ArnieM....
I wanted to point out that you must have missed the posts that explained the detail of the incinerator ...... as you didnt notice the some of the specifications until today... but now that you have read them all, it is all good. And thank you for your appreciation, we have all tried very hard to sleuth this case over the last 3-4 months....
Respectfully returned... BQ

 

[swedie]

thank you swedie

Do you know if SB had the remains cremated ? The way she spoke during an interview was that she got JB back in a box ... as though that was all that was left.

"BODY" could just be a matter of terminology .... a reporter or coroner or police would say "the body" had not been released ..... they would never say .... ''the box of ashes" has not been released.

Also the term "burned beyond recognition" has a wide range .... right from a complete body with extensive exterior burns ... down to a small amount of ashes and bone fragments .... when the detective used those words it seemed purposeful and a discreet way to imply extensive incineration ... he was trying to make that point

thanks
AM

Arnie I cannot say for a fact whether SB had TB' remains cremated but by reading some of the articles, it leads me to believe he more than like was. There was obviously more than just ashes remaining, why else would they be looking at ashes for cause of death IMHO. Ashes would not show case of death. Also if all that remained were ashes, I feel certain SB would have had them in time for the funeral service; only so much testing you can do with ashes kwim. Personally I would not want to bury my loved one in the indignant state the murderers left Tim, so I would have him cremated. In generalized terms, when one speaks of remains, it is what is left of a living being or thing after death. HTH and MOO.

Between the autopsy/examination and then sending out the body for cremation, all takes scheduling and planning. A crematorium would have to be contacted (and only once forensics were officially done with remains and signed off) to arrange transfer of remains and then cremating as the Centre of Forensic Sciences in TO do not cremate. This is why it was reported TB's remains (IMO ashes) would not have been complete for the funeral service. TB's body was found May 14th, this article is May 21st, and the service was the next day of May 22nd, so from what I understand, generally speaking, to perform an autopsy takes anywhere from four to six hours. During an autopsy blood and tissue samples are taken and these are the tests which take days, weeks and sometimes months to complete. The body can be released to the family once the autopsy is done and samples taken. So I feel comfortable suggesting the coroner was done everything which needed to be done and he/she could have released Tim's body (remains) to the family by May 17/19th . Where the hold up was, was scheduling and prep before cremation. There is a 48 hour waiting time before someone can be cremated including refrigeration.

A cause of death is not yet known and the coroner and Centre of Forensic Sciences are assisting in examining the remains.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...olice-anxious-as-hunt-for-suspects-continues/

A spokesperson for the coroner’s office said Bosma’s body had not been released as of Tuesday afternoon. The remains will likely be absent at a funeral the family has scheduled for 11 a.m. Wednesday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...wed_police_interest_in_her_disappearance.html


In the video reporter states and the caption under the video reads a body. "a BODY has been found...BURNED and they believe it is the missing Ancaster husband and father".

He revealed Bosma’s body was “burned beyond recognition” and a cause of death has not yet been determined.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ssing_man_is_dead_body_burned_police_say.html

Days before the body of Tim Bosma was discovered, Hamilton police speculated that he may have been murdered in a so-called thrill kill, a source has told the Star.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._man_was_killed_inside_truck_source_says.html

A week of searching and hoping came to a brutal end Tuesday, with the announcement that Ancaster resident Tim Bosma had been found dead in Waterloo Region, his body badly burned.

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3242980-bosma-found-dead-in-region/