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Editors Note: I'm firmly RDI and within the past few months have secretly recorded conversations between myself and Karr. His recent admissions still implicate the family.
The only thing against JMK being a legitimate suspect is the DNA test that excluded him (which if you believe the Netflix doc, is not to be trusted). Karr also explains in our conversations that-then DA Mary Lacy's fault was in taking his words out of context. According to Karr , and Mary Lacey's press conference, she believed he had oral sex with her - "So when you say was the DNA the lynchpin? - it was based on his story. The DNA could be an artifact - it isn't necessarily the killers - in all - in - there's a probability that it's the killers but it could be something else. But the way that he told the story, it had to be his".
Karr claims that Lacy misinterpreted a hypothetical scenario he was proposing to Michael Tracy as an admission that he had oral sex with her. Tracey had proposed to Karr something along the lines of "So I assume the perpetrator had oral sex with her?" and Karr explains "that oral sex is the only way to truly be with a child". In our conversations Karr is very hung up on this misinterpretation.
So - with that out of the way let's move on to the real meat. I know it's easy to dismiss Karr (I'm guilty of that myself), but in my conversations, I was fascinated with the one thing Karr never revealed publicly. If his story is true - how did he gain access to JB? Here is a montage over the years of him avoiding that question.
Well after a lot of manipulation and promising to put this case behind me, Karr revealed to me that his connection was through Patsy Ramsey - and went as far as to suggest they were having an affair. He alludes that he knew her from her frequent trips to Atlanta to visit her family. (Karr's extended family lives within minutes of Patsy's).
Had Karr been anticipating their return that night to see Patsy one last time before they both went back to their regular lives? When the Ramseys returned home, did John actually (and uncharacteristically), decide to stay up and help Burke with a toy, throwing any plans Karr and Patsy had out the window? Did Karr get upset when Patsy accidentally fell asleep while waiting for John to go to bed and he decided to explore his darker side that Patsy didn't know about?
The more I thought on this - the more it actually made sense. It very much came off that Karr was possibly having an affair with Patsy and she was unaware of his "special relationship" with JB. This is why Karr was so desperate to get in contact with her in the Tracey emails. He needed to explain the sexual abuse - something we WATCHED Patsy become aware of in the interrogations.
Also - those two theatrical personalities collaborating on that ridiculous note makes even more sense. If true, I speculate the plan was to get John out of the home so Karr could return with a bigger case to remove JB with. (The irony being a canvas duffel bag was nailed into the crawlspace in the very basement the crime was committed in). The moment John said "call the police" and Patsy asked "are you sure?" and he said "yes", the whole thing came crumbling down.
In the Netflix documentary, John Ramsey recounts how in 2006, after Karr's arrest, his former housekeeper reached out to say she saw Karr in their Charlevoix garage in 1995. Ramsey says this is evidence he was "stalking our family". This incensed Karr, and after his recent admission you can see why - he wasn't stalking - he was invited (tell me John Ramsey cared, or even took the time to clock who came in and out of his home). Why would you stalk a small-time beauty queen a year before her murder?
Before his admission, during our first conversation, while recounting talking with Michael Tracey, he stops himself short of asking me if I "thought Patsy Ramsey needed closure."
What convinces me more is that he could've thrown her under the bus anytime. She died within two months of his arrest. If you really wanted people to believe you - why leave out the huge part that would help? I think he legitimately cared about her. He knew he lied to her about what happened, and she helped cover it up. Which is why he always proclaims in those past interviews "he was protecting people who were innocent".
I know Karr is a touchy topic, which is why I wanted to start by clearing up the myths around him first that cause people to immediately dismiss him. I'm not saying that I 100% buy his story, but coupled with what I know - a lot of the pieces fit.
Lastly, how poetic would it be if both sides were right all along? (RDI/IDI).
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this!
(Please be respectful and note - Karr did not know these conversations were recorded nor did he want any of what we talked about disseminated publicly. He thought he was giving a friend closure so that I would be able to move on from the case/stop our JB podcast. We were not "giving him a platform" - the hours I spent talking to him on the phone was emotionally EXHAUSTING, but I did it for ALL OF US)
I haven't officially posted here yet, but have been disheartened by the Reddit communities response to previous JMK discussions (announcing we've spoken with him) so I am pre-emptively making a duplicate post here!
Okay let's clear something up that I've seen incorrectly repeated EVERYWHERE. It has NOT been proven that John Mark Karr was in Alabama/Atlanta during JonBenet's death. The family photo that was produced from that Christmas DID NOT have Karr in it and his wife CANNOT confirm his whereabouts from December 23 - January 2nd.
The only thing against JMK being a legitimate suspect is the DNA test that excluded him (which if you believe the Netflix doc, is not to be trusted). Karr also explains in our conversations that-then DA Mary Lacy's fault was in taking his words out of context. According to Karr , and Mary Lacey's press conference, she believed he had oral sex with her - "So when you say was the DNA the lynchpin? - it was based on his story. The DNA could be an artifact - it isn't necessarily the killers - in all - in - there's a probability that it's the killers but it could be something else. But the way that he told the story, it had to be his".
Karr claims that Lacy misinterpreted a hypothetical scenario he was proposing to Michael Tracy as an admission that he had oral sex with her. Tracey had proposed to Karr something along the lines of "So I assume the perpetrator had oral sex with her?" and Karr explains "that oral sex is the only way to truly be with a child". In our conversations Karr is very hung up on this misinterpretation.
So - with that out of the way let's move on to the real meat. I know it's easy to dismiss Karr (I'm guilty of that myself), but in my conversations, I was fascinated with the one thing Karr never revealed publicly. If his story is true - how did he gain access to JB? Here is a montage over the years of him avoiding that question.
Well after a lot of manipulation and promising to put this case behind me, Karr revealed to me that his connection was through Patsy Ramsey - and went as far as to suggest they were having an affair. He alludes that he knew her from her frequent trips to Atlanta to visit her family. (Karr's extended family lives within minutes of Patsy's).
Karr alludes that he was alone with JB when he accidentally killed her and then sought help from Patsy without elaborating further. My mind immediately goes to the disheveled guest bedroom no longer occupied by JAR, and the Fernie's sighting of JAR at the home on Christmas day (was it Karr?).
Had Karr been anticipating their return that night to see Patsy one last time before they both went back to their regular lives? When the Ramseys returned home, did John actually (and uncharacteristically), decide to stay up and help Burke with a toy, throwing any plans Karr and Patsy had out the window? Did Karr get upset when Patsy accidentally fell asleep while waiting for John to go to bed and he decided to explore his darker side that Patsy didn't know about?
The more I thought on this - the more it actually made sense. It very much came off that Karr was possibly having an affair with Patsy and she was unaware of his "special relationship" with JB. This is why Karr was so desperate to get in contact with her in the Tracey emails. He needed to explain the sexual abuse - something we WATCHED Patsy become aware of in the interrogations.
Also - those two theatrical personalities collaborating on that ridiculous note makes even more sense. If true, I speculate the plan was to get John out of the home so Karr could return with a bigger case to remove JB with. (The irony being a canvas duffel bag was nailed into the crawlspace in the very basement the crime was committed in). The moment John said "call the police" and Patsy asked "are you sure?" and he said "yes", the whole thing came crumbling down.
In the Netflix documentary, John Ramsey recounts how in 2006, after Karr's arrest, his former housekeeper reached out to say she saw Karr in their Charlevoix garage in 1995. Ramsey says this is evidence he was "stalking our family". This incensed Karr, and after his recent admission you can see why - he wasn't stalking - he was invited (tell me John Ramsey cared, or even took the time to clock who came in and out of his home). Why would you stalk a small-time beauty queen a year before her murder?
Before his admission, during our first conversation, while recounting talking with Michael Tracey, he stops himself short of asking me if I "thought Patsy Ramsey needed closure."
In our second call he get's himself to the same point - but this time, let's it all out:
Karr also mentions that he "couldn't believe" she participated in writing that book.
What convinces me more is that he could've thrown her under the bus anytime. She died within two months of his arrest. If you really wanted people to believe you - why leave out the huge part that would help? I think he legitimately cared about her. He knew he lied to her about what happened, and she helped cover it up. Which is why he always proclaims in those past interviews "he was protecting people who were innocent".
I know Karr is a touchy topic, which is why I wanted to start by clearing up the myths around him first that cause people to immediately dismiss him. I'm not saying that I 100% buy his story, but coupled with what I know - a lot of the pieces fit.
Lastly, how poetic would it be if both sides were right all along? (RDI/IDI).
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this!
(Please be respectful and note - Karr did not know these conversations were recorded nor did he want any of what we talked about disseminated publicly. He thought he was giving a friend closure so that I would be able to move on from the case/stop our JB podcast. We were not "giving him a platform" - the hours I spent talking to him on the phone was emotionally EXHAUSTING, but I did it for ALL OF US)
I haven't officially posted here yet, but have been disheartened by the Reddit communities response to previous JMK discussions (announcing we've spoken with him) so I am pre-emptively making a duplicate post here!
