The John Mark Karr Affair - Myths & His Connection To JB

[BobbyPavlovski]

Editors Note: I'm firmly RDI and within the past few months have secretly recorded conversations between myself and Karr. His recent admissions still implicate the family.

"I've never admitted to knowing her (Patsy Ramsey), and there is a reason for that - because it would incriminate her" - John Mark Karr 2025

Okay let's clear something up that I've seen incorrectly repeated EVERYWHERE. It has NOT been proven that John Mark Karr was in Alabama/Atlanta during JonBenet's death. The family photo that was produced from that Christmas DID NOT have Karr in it and his wife CANNOT confirm his whereabouts from December 23 - January 2nd.

The only thing against JMK being a legitimate suspect is the DNA test that excluded him (which if you believe the Netflix doc, is not to be trusted). Karr also explains in our conversations that-then DA Mary Lacy's fault was in taking his words out of context. According to Karr , and Mary Lacey's press conference, she believed he had oral sex with her - "So when you say was the DNA the lynchpin? - it was based on his story. The DNA could be an artifact - it isn't necessarily the killers - in all - in - there's a probability that it's the killers but it could be something else. But the way that he told the story, it had to be his".

Karr claims that Lacy misinterpreted a hypothetical scenario he was proposing to Michael Tracy as an admission that he had oral sex with her. Tracey had proposed to Karr something along the lines of "So I assume the perpetrator had oral sex with her?" and Karr explains "that oral sex is the only way to truly be with a child". In our conversations Karr is very hung up on this misinterpretation.

So - with that out of the way let's move on to the real meat. I know it's easy to dismiss Karr (I'm guilty of that myself), but in my conversations, I was fascinated with the one thing Karr never revealed publicly. If his story is true - how did he gain access to JB? Here is a montage over the years of him avoiding that question.

Well after a lot of manipulation and promising to put this case behind me, Karr revealed to me that his connection was through Patsy Ramsey - and went as far as to suggest they were having an affair. He alludes that he knew her from her frequent trips to Atlanta to visit her family. (Karr's extended family lives within minutes of Patsy's).

"What if I had gotten into a terrible argument with my wife and was just beside myself and I call up Patsy Ramsey and she says 'you know what, you're going to have a good Christmas. Just come to boulder. We'll meet you outside the house - I can get you in when my husband goes to sleep. We're just going to be together.' What if we were having an affair? So what? - It's not the end of the world, people have affairs'' - John Mark Karr, 2025 - LINK

Karr alludes that he was alone with JB when he accidentally killed her and then sought help from Patsy without elaborating further. My mind immediately goes to the disheveled guest bedroom no longer occupied by JAR, and the Fernie's sighting of JAR at the home on Christmas day (was it Karr?).

Had Karr been anticipating their return that night to see Patsy one last time before they both went back to their regular lives? When the Ramseys returned home, did John actually (and uncharacteristically), decide to stay up and help Burke with a toy, throwing any plans Karr and Patsy had out the window? Did Karr get upset when Patsy accidentally fell asleep while waiting for John to go to bed and he decided to explore his darker side that Patsy didn't know about?

The more I thought on this - the more it actually made sense. It very much came off that Karr was possibly having an affair with Patsy and she was unaware of his "special relationship" with JB. This is why Karr was so desperate to get in contact with her in the Tracey emails. He needed to explain the sexual abuse - something we WATCHED Patsy become aware of in the interrogations.

Also - those two theatrical personalities collaborating on that ridiculous note makes even more sense. If true, I speculate the plan was to get John out of the home so Karr could return with a bigger case to remove JB with. (The irony being a canvas duffel bag was nailed into the crawlspace in the very basement the crime was committed in). The moment John said "call the police" and Patsy asked "are you sure?" and he said "yes", the whole thing came crumbling down.

In the Netflix documentary, John Ramsey recounts how in 2006, after Karr's arrest, his former housekeeper reached out to say she saw Karr in their Charlevoix garage in 1995. Ramsey says this is evidence he was "stalking our family". This incensed Karr, and after his recent admission you can see why - he wasn't stalking - he was invited (tell me John Ramsey cared, or even took the time to clock who came in and out of his home). Why would you stalk a small-time beauty queen a year before her murder?

Before his admission, during our first conversation, while recounting talking with Michael Tracey, he stops himself short of asking me if I "thought Patsy Ramsey needed closure."

"He was a very persistent person with me and he just kept on putting on the pressure and putting on the pressure and he was using the dying mother to play on my heart and he knew that he could for some reason. I don't know why - and so he was using her. 'She's suffering. She's dying. she must have closure' - And who's to say that - nevermind - I'm not going to say that" - John Mark Karr, 2025

In our second call he get's himself to the same point - but this time, let's it all out:

"He's pressuring me - the dying mother needs closure - and who's to say she needs closure? - Really. I'm asking you - I've never asked this of anyone. But do you think that dying mother needed closure on what happened to her daughter that night?" - John Mark Karr, 2025

Karr also mentions that he "couldn't believe" she participated in writing that book.

What convinces me more is that he could've thrown her under the bus anytime. She died within two months of his arrest. If you really wanted people to believe you - why leave out the huge part that would help? I think he legitimately cared about her. He knew he lied to her about what happened, and she helped cover it up. Which is why he always proclaims in those past interviews "he was protecting people who were innocent".

I know Karr is a touchy topic, which is why I wanted to start by clearing up the myths around him first that cause people to immediately dismiss him. I'm not saying that I 100% buy his story, but coupled with what I know - a lot of the pieces fit.

Lastly, how poetic would it be if both sides were right all along? (RDI/IDI).

I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this!
(Please be respectful and note - Karr did not know these conversations were recorded nor did he want any of what we talked about disseminated publicly. He thought he was giving a friend closure so that I would be able to move on from the case/stop our JB podcast. We were not "giving him a platform" - the hours I spent talking to him on the phone was emotionally EXHAUSTING, but I did it for ALL OF US)

I haven't officially posted here yet, but have been disheartened by the Reddit communities response to previous JMK discussions (announcing we've spoken with him) so I am pre-emptively making a duplicate post here!

 

[CloudedTruth]

I've made several comments over on Reddit about this post. I will simply reiterate here that I just do not believe JMK.

I will add that I found the interviews with him of great interest and I thought you did a very good job drawing out of him what you did. He is indeed an interesting character who harbors very dark thoughts and delusions. He is obviously very smart, but is also somewhat of a prisoner of the thoughts and delusions in his head. Over the years he has done a pretty good job of manipulating the media by his coy attitude of making leading statements that he then refuses to elaborate on, making it appear that there really is more there, which I very much doubt. The Ramsey case has been his 15 minutes of fame which IMO he has enjoyed despite his protestations to the contrary. He comes off as angry and resentful, and IMO that is not a result of the publicity it gave him, but that at the end of the day he was dismissed and not taken seriously. The fact that he did agree to speak with you belies his claims that he doesn't actually want to talk about the Ramsey case and just wants to be left alone.

He has labeled himself as a "wolf" when it comes to the opposite sex, which on the surface seems like a big stretch. I think it is indicative of an inflated image he feels the need to project because he knows how he was / is perceived. When you look at his relationship history, it's with girls and later with barely adults, always younger than himself probably because those are the type of personalities (young, inexperienced and more naive) that he can exert some control over. While living with roommates in Costa Rica, he specifically said that his attraction was not to adult women, it was to younger females. At the time, the roommate did not understand just how young he meant.

Then there was the time that he apparently considered transitioning. He now rather vehemently denies living as a woman which was reported for a period of time, but I do think there was something to his apparent thoughts of all of that. IMO it's an indication that he has identity issues. Looking at him at the time he was arrested, I see a fellow who was very slender and not very masculine in appearance. Of course appearances can be deceiving, but speaking from a mature female point of view he isn't someone I would be attracted to. His later appearance after the rumors of transitioning is interesting. He does look as if he may have tried some things to look more feminine. At that time, I recall seeing him and thinking that he looked rather bizarre. The hair is coiffed in a way that looks effeminate.

His claims of having an affair with PR just seem almost desperate. He exhibits resentment that people would not believe that it could be true. But IMO I just don't see PR being attracted to him. He was / is essentially a nobody and PR moved in a social circle where having status and $$$$ was important. Yes, she and the kids did visit her parents and family in Roswell, so it's of course possible that their paths crossed at some point, but how likely? We now do know that his alibi of being in Alabama at the time of the murder was not confirmed by his wife, however from my understanding the rest of the family still insists that he was with them on Christmas that year, and that he does not appear in any pictures because he was behind the camera. Could he have been in Colorado? Of course. But there is also no proof that he was.

At the end of the day IMO JMK is an unhappy guy who struggles with whatever inner demons he has had for most of his life. While he was teaching there were complaints from parents about his behavior and no one really wanted their kids around him on their own. So it feels as if he has lived a good portion of his life as somewhat of an outcast in society. He tries to present himself as simply being misunderstood, unfairly characterized but that he really doesn't care, which in reality he does care. Which is why he's still talking. He is still striving for that attention and is still manipulating to get it.

 

[cenazoic]

IMO it's an indication that he has identity issues

Fixed that for you.

But for sure - that guy is a ‘wolf’ for women like I’m Miss West Virginia; c’mon. He’s not a jerky super macho guy, or darkly charismatic, or appealingly lone wolfish - he’s the type, if a woman finds him attractive at all, to remain in the friendzone. There’s something ephemeral about him, wraith-ish, and absolutely the type to come across as creepy rather than charming.

I don’t think Karr comes across as ‘effeminate’ so much as utterly bloodless; sexless.

Karr alludes that he was alone with JB when he accidentally killed her and then sought help from Patsy without elaborating further.

I do not believe Patsy was having an affair with JMK, because she wouldn’t have jeopardized her rather cushy life with someone who, in addition to the above, could provide nothing for her materially.

And of course, there’s no proof they had an affair, or that she was having/had an affair with anyone, but on a psychological level I cannot see that happening with JMK of all people.