The Jury Hangs - Justice Delayed

[borndem]

Every time I start to write, I go back and delete, as I just don't have the words to express my frustration and sick feeling for what happened today,but I am going to try..........

I have been a lurker and have been following some of your comments since December of 09 and have never stopped following this case from as far away as Oregon all of these years. My heart is broken for C, Meredith, Linda and all of those who knew and loved her, but mostly for Michele herself and all that was lost in the midst of her "picket fenced" dream turned bloody nightmare.

She did NOT get the justice she deserved today and I am disgusted, outraged and sick that, that monster and his wicked brilliance is potentially getting away with murder! I either listened or watched most of this trial and was actually frustrated throughout. I wanted to jump through the screen and ask questions myself and make points that were either barely touched on or were left for the jury to infer??!!

I don't see how anyone can look at all the evidence and actually believe that there is ANY possibility that he didn't commit this heinous act!

Like many of you, I have looked at all the circumstances (which are abundant), but I won't take your time to reiterate all of it, but a few things that recently really have stood out to me:

-Upon hearing of his wife's unexpected death, JY "dropped to his knees"??? As an actress that would be how I would play that if someone told me that my husband was dead and I was in a production. But in real life if someone informed me that my husband was dead it would actually play like this, "What? What did you just say? What are you talking about? When? How do you know? Who told you? What happened? What?? Give me the phone, let me call him, let me call my house." All followed by getting right back in my car and rushing to his side, if at all possible, even if I decided to retain a lawyer in transit, I would still be desperate to get home to my loved one and have some answers.

ALL missed in his cross examination, imo I would have hammered the unlikely response he had and have asked him point blank why he immediately believed she was dead and dropped to his knees, why he asked no questions right in that moment unless of course he already knew all the answers!!!!!

-Why was Meredith's phone number written on his maps unless he was planning on forgetting the ebay print outs? (also not really hammered in cross either)

-interesting that he decided not to talk to family and friends before he was actually advised by an attorney but told LF that he couldn't talk to her which only shows that HE chose to not talk LONG before he was counseled. And his actual statement to her is a lie, He was not advised to not talk to family at that point, he was simply choosing to not talk to his and her family. The pros began to to down that line and completely dropped the ball and let it go!!! Which all goes to WHY?? Why could you not talk to your loved ones and how could you have the presence of mind to have such a firm plan in the midst of shock and mourning, unless it was indeed planned??

-why was that child untouched in such a violent murder?? (why didn't the pros touch that in cross?)

-I would have inquired about his little nap on the way back to his murdered wife and have asked him why he was so tired???????? I would have been either crying my eyes out, or I would have been the one of the phone and for the avid phone user that he was, why the sudden change and not interested in phoning his friends and her family like crazy on his way home??? Especially because THAT would have been in character and not calling people was NOT in character!!

-I would have asked him if he grabbed those cigarette butts as he was leaving the hotel on his way back to kill his wife to incriminate someone else and to complement his "away on business" alibi???

I could go on for at least an hour and I have not even touched on the most impressive evidence and I am an absolute nobody in this case!! I, as a wife and mother could have cross examined him better without ANY notice, simply because I have been invested and watching for so long!!! 50 minutes was a travesty of justice imo! I bet there were alot of investigators watching that go down and wish they could have had him handed to them on a silver platter as he was to BH and I am sad to say she didn't just drop the ball she threw it back to the bad guy!!!!!!!

I pray to God they retry this case and get a prosecutor with an evidenced passion, with some grit and who sounds like that actually passed high school speech class. JY is smart and savvy, that is why this has been so difficult from the beginning. They need a team of people who can outsmart him and play a little dirty with The King of the Dirtbags if they want to nail him!!!

Feeling really really angry and frustrated, but am hoping he is somehow feeling the same way. With his obvious obsession with sex, it warms my heart that he hasn't even had a hug from his mom and certainly no sex with any pretty stupid girls of recent! That will simply have to do for now and hoping that this will end, as it should: with his nasty and sick *&!@*& self in jail for the rest of his life!!!

Not trying to offend just feeling to need to express something in the midst of this mess!!

Bravo! Great post, rockin' and thanks for the points you raised which I bolded.

I hope you will become more active on WS with the rest of us loudmouths (said with all love and respect, WS'ers!).


:welcome5:

Welcome and don't be shy. We're glad to have you!!!

 

[Just the Fax]

"Lawyers say a new trial could be different from the one just completed, particularly because Jason Young took the stand last week in his own defense.

Prosecutors have now heard Young's account of where he was and what he was doing that day - information they did not have this time until their closing arguments.

Investigators and prosecutors can look for inconsistencies and statements that cannot be corroborated.

"Now they can prepare for whatever his defense was," said James Coleman, a law professor at Duke University. "He can't change that."



Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/28/1306302/hung-jury-could-mean-another-young.html#ixzz1QZqbL8jx

 

[borndem]

OT///The last two witness yesterday in the Anthony trial were somewhat elderly private investigators. One was obviously almost deaf and the other mumbled so badly nobody could understand him. I know it's a terribly serious trial but I laughed so hard, especially with the second one, that I wore myself out and fell asleep on the sofa around 9pm. I have not laughed so hard in many years. It was a culmination of stress and worry from both this Young trial and the Anthony trail and almost all of the WS'ers on the Anthony thread needed, badly, the comic relief these two witnesses innocently brought to the trial. If any of you have an extra hour or so, check out the raw video from late yesterday afternoon.....it's better than Who's on First.

Thanks, NCEast -- It's like I said recently -- the ICA trial has almost become a comedy series. And that's such a shame, but it does seem to wallow and will it ever end? Whew -- talk about being a juror -- and sequestered -- it sux to be one of them...

And thanks for your earlier remarks on the JY case.

 

[Just the Fax]

Sure hope a DA intern is researching the early June car accident in Raleigh where JLY said he "held a man's hand as blood came out of his ears and stopped breathing several times". Searching these terms after seeing a car wreck makes zero sense - especially since he had no idea what even happened to the man. If the state can shoot holes in this, they should be able to recover nicely.

"anatomy of a knockout,"
"head trauma knockout,"
"right posterior parietal occipital region" --( the occipital region is in the back of the head)
"ischemia,"( the decrease in the blood supply to parts of the body caused by constriction or obstruction of blood vessels)

 

[Just the Fax]

Eight jurors wanted an acquittal, four wanted a conviction, jurors said.:waitasec:

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/28/1306302/hung-jury-could-mean-another-young.html#ixzz1Qa2sqeLU

 

[BrownRice]

Eight jurors wanted an acquittal, four wanted a conviction, jurors said.:waitasec:

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/28/1306302/hung-jury-could-mean-another-young.html#ixzz1Qa2sqeLU

That's crazy. Thankfully the 4 held out. It would be interesting to hear what the jury thought was compelling.

 

[happy2binNC]

You've all got this down! Wonderful summary. The focus on how unreasonable it is for all of these "happenings" (I refuse to use "coincidence") to occur on the SAME night, is imperative. I'd pay for the shirts if you all want to meet at the next trial and wear shirts with all of the happenings on them? I'd like to be "I throw all my clothes away on business trips". I think GracieLee should be "I know of 153 places to get gas between Hillsdale and Birchleaf". Madeline should be "I saw 50 cigarette butts outside of this courthouse. That definitely means I'm not here". Fran: "You think I should help LE to find my wifes murderer? You came here for THAT?" Borndem "I'd give up my daughter, my assets, and the hunt for my wifes killer to protect myself, too." JTF: wears black tee with white stripe "I have 2 of these. One is with a bat, rings, and size 12 hush puppies in a dumpster." Lastly: BH wears "I'm bad, but someone here is worse."

Haha hope ya'll get a chuckle, and then realize that we should really do this. Ill drive from Michigan. :woohoo:

:floorlaugh:

Oh, can I have the "Key cards are too much trouble. Please steal my laptop from my hotel room while I smoke this cigar!" shirt? Size XL, please.

 

[cody100]

Eight jurors wanted an acquittal, four wanted a conviction, jurors said.:waitasec:

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/28/1306302/hung-jury-could-mean-another-young.html#ixzz1Qa2sqeLU

Yep, JTF, I thought that was the case. I am guessing this might be a motivation from DA's office to accept a plea from JY. I certainly hope we find out why they were 8 to 4.

 

[No Coincidence]

WRAL.com BREAKING NEWS: Sources: Jason Young jury split 8-4 in favor of acquittal

 

[zelmajane]

WRAL.com BREAKING NEWS: Sources: Jason Young jury split 8-4 in favor of acquittal

It made me feel a little sick to read that.

Maybe it will go better next time.

 

[No Coincidence]

:floorlaugh:

Oh, can I have the "Key cards are too much trouble. Please steal my laptop from my hotel room while I smoke this cigar!" shirt? Size XL, please.

Of course! "I always assume doors are awkward and won't shut. That's why I leave my key card with my laptop unsecure!":twocents:

 

[borndem]

As was mentioned by Dan Boyce last night on WRAL, there remains the distinct possibility of an Alford plea deal for 2nd degree murder (20-25 years). JLY would admit no guilt, but would admit sufficient evidence exists that he could be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. No way he is acquitted, but I could possibly see another hung jury. I could see the DA accepting a compromise to close the case.

Good point, JTF - One of the participants, who was not present when the victim was killed, in the Hare trial, took an Alford plea. Altho it doesn't require admitting guilt, it sure carries a negative connotation, and puts you in jail.

I just don't see JY or PY having a second's thought of this. They're riding too high, I believe, on the mistrial and the now-known (for sure, I guess) 8-4 NG from the jury. He may feel differently after more nights in jail.

Dunno.

I'm all for it. I've lowered my standards of acceptance on this one...my cynical evil twin has come out.

Roll the dice again? Try him again? Whew. Now it sux to be CW.

 

[Just the Fax]

WRAL.com BREAKING NEWS: Sources: Jason Young jury split 8-4 in favor of acquittal

WRAL taking credit for this 'breaking news'?
Hmmm....looks like they read the N&O this morning and just confirmed their scoop.

 

[ncmomof2boys]

Breaking News: Sources tell WRAL News that the jury in the Jason Young murder trial was split 8-4 in favor of acquittal.

 

[Prancy]

I'm now more concerned with the 8-4 breakdown since it shows two people were swayed to acquit in just a couple of hours. This means they were not very sure of it. I'm now wondering if they will retry him. And he may feel too confident to accept a plea of guilty to murder, even under Alford.

I think it will depend on how air tight his story is and if it will hold up under the state investigating it now. I think it will, since I think the defense team did extensive investigation on his story before he took the stand. Unless he added something his defense team had not already looked into, then his story as he told it should check out. Of course the state can try to push some of the things mentioned him, but unless they can really drive home the gallons of gas and time frame, I don't think it's going to work. I think they may need a professional to prepare an illustration that shows the vehicle, time and fuel on a moving diagram. They need to see how it could work and how.

 

[raisincharlie]

One item, and I'm sorry to resurrect it again, but I think the bloody size 10 footprints in the bedroom could have been, and may be, a sticking point for some jurors. I can easily understand that because I don't think the ADAs did a good job of showing an alternative to a 2nd person in the house. This 2-perp possibility is large part due to the size 10's -- and there were indeed 2 sets of footprints in blood.

They need to show the picture of JY's foot with its blisters, red places and the bruise. And they should show the HP next to the Franklin to further show the difference in the actual size of the shoe. "Ouch." They should have the jurors think about wearing a pair of shoes 2 sizes too small for perhaps 30 minutes or so. "What do you think your foot would look like? To me, that takes care of this 2nd person in the murder room, ladies & gentlemen of the jury."

If the size 10 shoe print was a problem, then the jurors did not listen to the judge when he charged them, nor did they read through the written copy of those instructions that were provided for their use. There was a very clear description of acting in concert in those instructions. The size 10 is also counter balanced by the fact that JY's hush puppy was also present. Ciggarette butts and the single hair were found by friends and family members - who knows who really put that stuff there? The ADA needs to hammer that home, friends and family often do things they should not. This one is easily proven by simply pulling up their postings on various websites, specially Kim Young's, and the retired school teacher. Both of these folks should be on the ADA's witness list - they should be confronted with their actions undetaken on JY's behalf - there is plenty of reason to see they were quite capable of doing some things not exactly legally.

From my point of view, I do not think the prosecution ever thought JY would take the stand. I do believe they were totally caught off guard by him doing so, to the point they were hopelessly ill prepared. I also believe that while it may have helped JY this time, it will not be helpful the next go round. His testimony is now on the record and should he decide to take the stand a second time, he is absolutely stuck with what he said during this trial. The prosecution needs to focus on this and make proper adjustments and counter arguments. Something tells me, he will not take the stand on a re-trial but, the ADA should be glad he did this time. Now the areas of focus can be defined, isolated, and addressed. JMO.

 

[No Coincidence]

JTF- my bad! I copied the title when I got the update. Thanks N & O!

 

[RaleighNC]

for tshirts - I'll take "If my spouse is murdered while I am away, I won't ask how..."

And welcome rockin10 - way to rock the house with your first post!!!!

 

[rockin10]

8-4 in favor of acquittal makes me want to throw up!!

 

[raisincharlie]

This is another area the prosecution needs to clarify with great detail to a jury:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf

Page 2, second paragraph - the description of the location of JY's print with respect to the floor and the closet door frame and the fact it was surrounded by blood splatter - they need to note the absence of blood on the print itself - this is a clear indication the print was placed in that location during the murder of Michelle. The DNA is clear on this - JY - no one else.

This IMO was not made clear to the jury - this needs to be made perfectly clear to any jury. Hard to argue the absence of blood and try to explain it away as "he Lived in the house" with that blood splatter around it but not in it.