GA v Hannah Payne - HP allegedly murdering a man involved in a hit-and-run in 2019 *GUILTY*

[10ofRods]

HP cries for herself only. Shows no remorse for killing Kenneth Herring. moo

I think it's so hard to say. Showing remorse is different than feeling it. It's hard to know who all she's crying for. I get the sense that if she had a do-over, she wouldn't kill him. She might have been brought up in a gung-ho, gun happy environment, which is hard for certain people to overcome (she's probably an average person).

She *looks* like she has changed a lot since then. She looks way older, unhealthy. She may have always been volatile/deranged to a certain degree. Such persons should of course not carry guns on their persons or in their cars. That's on her. Here in California it is plainly and blatantly illegal to carry a gun within one's reach while driving (even to and from a gun range). But not in GA.

Georgia needs to accept some responsibility for allowing people of all ages and dispositions to carry guns in their cars. Are they an open carry state, besides? I'm not trying to exonerate her and I think she should be sentenced to the full extent of the law. I just think that it's hard to know what kind of remorse she is feeling now - and what she will feel in the future. Many impulsive people feel terribly after they've acted - but they're often doing something they have fantasized doing - or worse, talked to others about doing.

I'm mystified by why she shot him in these circumstances. I do think that we aren't growing up our "youngsters" quickly enough and believe that whole thing about people not being "mature" until 25 (what will it be next, 30? 40?) is bull and has no science behind it. She was probably hard wired somehow to go to her gun when threatened (was she one of those people whose parents encouraged and enabled kids to use guns?? There are people equipping their six year olds with guns!)

But I can't know for certain that she cries for herself only. She may feel badly for her family as well (that's a start toward moral development - usually something that by about age 11-12 kicks in, in most cultures, around the world). I know in America we do encourage kids not to pay so much attention to their parents' values, so I do wonder what kind of family she came from.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

What a senseless waste of life; hers and Mr. Herring. It seems like she wanted an opportunity to use her gun. She found it, and now she gets to sit in a box and think about it for the remainder of her life.

This is what I think too. It's a whole subculture (gun-eagerness is what I'd call it). Doesn't work well for anyone - but especially for young people.

She will likely mature and finally figure out just how her life was ruined by her unnecessary and heedless gun ownership, carrying and use.

 

[RickshawFan]

HP sentenced to life w/possibility of parole plus 8 years consecutive on false imprisonment and 5 years consecutive for possession of a firearm.

I guessed right! I figured the judge would give her a chance at redemption, but require a lot of years before it could happen. The consecutive terms addressed the latter.

Also, the sentence—with significant terms—specifically underlines the false imprisonment (which was an extreme feature here) and highlights the dangers of using a gun.

I'm really pleased with the sentence: I think it speaks to the specific elements of the crime.

When the defense attorney acts like he didn't understand the sentence ("can it be probated"?), the judge sounds kinda ticked and took out any wriggle room he might have fantasized he had. IMO she kinda had it with him.

 

[whitelilac]

For all her goodness that her boss and coworker described before sentencing, it may all be true, but we cannot forget that she killed an innocent man in cold blood and lied through her teeth on the stand.
Had she felt true remorse, she would have held herself accountable and taken the plea deal.

 

[RickshawFan]

Gone are the messaging necklace and earrings. The new jewelry is some shiny bracelets and a chain belt (which actually was a fashion accessory at some point in my life).

 

[RickshawFan]

So nice to see the sheriff deputies getting the feel-goods with the Herrings in the milling around after the sentence. They had been looking especially spiffed up for the conviction and sentencing, and there were many extra on duty these days, highly pressed uniforms, extra polish on the badges. They have been Mr. Herring's honor guard....

 

[RickshawFan]

Hmmm Life (with possibility of parole) plus 8 yrs consecutive plus 5 years consecutive - did I get that right? Can someone clarify for me…does that mean that if HP serves 30 years and then gets paroled on the murder charge that she would then serve the 8 years and then the 5? Or could it be the 8+5 and then life? And did I miss it - was there a min amount of time given before parole on the murder charge would be considered?

I took it to mean she has to serve at least 30+8+5. She could potentially get out, but only after 43 years, and at the mercy of the parole board.
This might, for all practical purposes, be a "never free" sentence. IMO @10ofRods correctly observed there's something unhealthy going on there. Alternatively, a very strong medication of some kind (several varieties can make you put on weight like crazy) can change your body dramatically, which may have happened here.

 

[10ofRods]

For all her goodness that her boss and coworker described before sentencing, it may all be true, but we cannot forget that she killed an innocent man in cold blood and lied through her teeth on the stand.
Had she felt true remorse, she would have held herself accountable and taken the plea deal.

I agree - although she was in the hands of her lawyers. So many people are discouraged from this by their lawyers.

IMO.

 

[arielilane]

#KennethHerring’s sisters and brother spoke in court Friday before #HannahPayne was sentenced for his murder. His family told the court Payne should spend the rest of her life in prison, as their loved one also got a life sentence. Payne shot and killed Herring during a scuffle after a hit-and-run crash in Georgia back in 2019.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735701960299368771

A judge sentenced Hannah Payne to life in prison with the possibility of parole for the deady shooting of Kenneth Herring in Georgia back in 2019. Payne shot Herring during a scuffle after a hit-and-run crash.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735720328062439438

Woman convicted of murdering hit-and-run driver in botched citizen’s arrest will get a chance at freedomFull story here: https://bit.ly/41nMOcG

https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetwork

 

[PawneeDew]

The gun in her hand tells me all I need to know. moo

In her interrogation, she said her gun had a release in the handle, not just the trigger. So, she had already released it to shoot with the palm of her hand. So, the trigger was the second step, not the first.

I've never heard of a gun like that....

Does anyone know the sentencing options? The 8 counts amount to more than LWP, yes?

Deliberation: 1 hour, 29 minutes (this presumably includes re-watching video and testimony)

She also said that their vehicles "hit each other" "after he grabbed her" ??
I just can't envision that, really....

 

[iusedtofloat]

She was working for a rental company, collecting rent, showing rentals to potential tenants, etc. She claims she got the gun due to her job.

Imagine being late on rent and THIS shows up angry at your door. No thank you ma'am.

Hmmm Life (with possibility of parole) plus 8 yrs consecutive plus 5 years consecutive - did I get that right? Can someone clarify for me…does that mean that if HP serves 30 years and then gets paroled on the murder charge that she would then serve the 8 years and then the 5? Or could it be the 8+5 and then life? And did I miss it - was there a min amount of time given before parole on the murder charge would be considered?

I could've sworn the judge said concurrent on that secondary 5 years?

I was not impressed at all with the defense attorney through the whole trial. He just seemed unprepared/ unprofessional/choppy.

Was there a witness for the D today that did not show? Did I catch that correctly?

He was like an attorney off Temu or Wish. His little troll doll hair is cute though he did his best... but came off entitled and presumptuous as Hannah did. He did a lot of exaggerated facial expressions and hand gestures that were incredibly over the top and didn't paint him as professional, courteous, or kind.

What a ridiculous statement by the defense counsel.

The witnesses were biased and disrespectful? I didn't watch the whole trial, but from what I did watch there wasn't any of that. What is he talking about?

And he's claiming that Hannah's only mistake was following the instructions of a "state officer" who told her to follow Kenneth and "no good deed goes unpunished." What B.S.

One sort of amusing bit is that from his statement it seems that no one on the jury would speak with him after the trial. I don't blame them.

I had originally figured that Hannah's attorney would have tried to talk Hannah into taking the plea deal. But after listening to his spiel, I wonder if he gave her false hope and told her the jury would likely acquit.

Wonderful points...

I watched most of this trial. The ONLY disrespect I could even fathom him thinking he experienced was the pretty young lady who took the stand not taking his crap. She was a driver physically close to their cars during the incident.

He said she said something, she said I absolutely did NOT say that, he was adamant she did... he wasted time having the court reporter read it back. Shocker! She did NOT say it lol.

He said he wasn't feeling well and was "moving kinda slow" this morning. That's why he was late.

Hannah Payne's Attorney Forced to Apologize to Court

Hannah Payne's attorney was asked to apologize to the courtroom before sentencing after his tardiness caused proceedings to be delayed.

www.courttv.com

maybe it's the incessant amount of hairspray causing respiratory issues lol.

 

[iusedtofloat]

disconcerting how Hannah had no close friends to testify for her. just some coworkers, her parent's friend who hired her, a neighbor? weird. so weird.

 

[neesaki]

This is what I think too. It's a whole subculture (gun-eagerness is what I'd call it). Doesn't work well for anyone - but especially for young people.

She will likely mature and finally figure out just how her life was ruined by her unnecessary and heedless gun ownership, carrying and use.

I’m so mind boggled by this crime, so i really appreciate you’re insight
@10ofRods . I have a problem with getting a grip on what she was thinking and why she committed this horrific crime.
I mean, according to those who knew her well, she was a charitable, kind , giving type person.
So, can someone please explain, or shed some insight into why she chose this violent, destructive path?

 

[neesaki]

For all her goodness that her boss and coworker described before sentencing, it may all be true, but we cannot forget that she killed an innocent man in cold blood and lied through her teeth on the stand.
Had she felt true remorse, she would have held herself accountable and taken the plea deal.

I came in late. What was the plea deal? TIA Very Much!

 

[DS2021]

I came in late. What was the plea deal? TIA Very Much!

Life with Parole.

 

[RickshawFan]

disconcerting how Hannah had no close friends to testify for her. just some coworkers, her parent's friend who hired her, a neighbor? weird. so weird.

Great point. She had a boyfriend, too?

A boss might have liked her because she was heavy-handed in getting the rents or initiating evictions.

And I saw no evidence that she had a record of being a charitable, kind, or giving type person. Those qualities would show up more expansively than just personally IMO, e.g. in community work, especially since she overtly had allegiance to a church. Especially while she was out on bond, I would be more sympathetic if she'd gotten busy with community services; she had 4 years to do this.

I guess, in general, I'm thinking young people who are out on bond on murder charges should be demonstrating in every which way that they are contributing members of the community. Some are on bond for years. Otherwise, they look entitled and self-absorbed. I think the same about recent cases, Trevizo and Sydney Powell (who murdered her mother, Brenda Powell).

There are plenty of volunteer jobs that don't require bona fides (scrubbing graffiti? working at a dog shelter? serving the homeless? sorting donations?), but they sure provide bona fides going forward if you do the task with commitment, humility, and respect...

 

[whitelilac]

I came in late. What was the plea deal? TIA Very Much!

Here at 4.18 mins. Life with Parole. Defense came back with a counter offer (not stated what that was) which was then rejected by the Prosecution.

 

[stripehaven2]

For all her goodness that her boss and coworker described before sentencing, it may all be true, but we cannot forget that she killed an innocent man in cold blood and lied through her teeth on the stand.
Had she felt true remorse, she would have held herself accountable and taken the plea deal.

I missed some of the trial. Did she ever at any point even suggest she was sorry? I only ever heard her call him “the guy in the truck” and the like. Didn’t even speak his name. I was flummoxed that one of her character witnesses today expressed remorse on Hannah’s behalf. Oh, honest, she feels just terrible! If you knew her like I know her, you’d see she feels awful.

Just gross.

 

[RickshawFan]

Here at 4.18 mins. Life with Parole. Defense came back with a counter offer (not stated what that was) which was then rejected by the Prosecution.

Look how different she looked at that hearing, and I think it was just one week before trial.

 

[RickshawFan]

Here at 4.18 mins. Life with Parole. Defense came back with a counter offer (not stated what that was) which was then rejected by the Prosecution.

I’m thinking probation, but I’m not certain… I really don’t think she imagined she’d be convicted or spend any time in prison.