The Murder of Janet Abaroa #1

[golfmom]

If they were married in the temple, I would be a little more hesitant to think he did this. There are sacred covenants made there, and the couple is sealed for time and all eternity. One must adhere to the highest moral standards in order to enter the temple. Not every member of the Church goes there, though it is the ultimate goal for every member. Without divulging certain sacred things, the temple clothing is symbolic of a host of things, including the covenants made therein. Other religious groups also have similar burial practices. Again, they are merely symbolic of the things that take place within the temple and the covenants that are made. Those covenants include adhering to higher moral standards.

On one of Raven's website's incarnations, there is a picture of him in front of a temple, the corresponding picture of Janet was not available.

 

[anneshirley]

If they were married in the temple, I would be a little more hesitant to think he did this. There are sacred covenants made there, and the couple is sealed for time and all eternity. One must adhere to the highest moral standards in order to enter the temple. Not every member of the Church goes there, though it is the ultimate goal for every member. Without divulging certain sacred things, the temple clothing is symbolic of a host of things, including the covenants made therein. Other religious groups also have similar burial practices. Again, they are merely symbolic of the things that take place within the temple and the covenants that are made. Those covenants include adhering to higher moral standards.

I agree with NCBanker, the covenants made in the temple are sacred. However, those covenants are also very personal and mean different things to everyone.

 

[vero]

If they were married in the temple, I would be a little more hesitant to think he did this. There are sacred covenants made there, and the couple is sealed for time and all eternity. One must adhere to the highest moral standards in order to enter the temple. Not every member of the Church goes there, though it is the ultimate goal for every member. Without divulging certain sacred things, the temple clothing is symbolic of a host of things, including the covenants made therein. Other religious groups also have similar burial practices. Again, they are merely symbolic of the things that take place within the temple and the covenants that are made. Those covenants include adhering to higher moral standards.

Does the seal stand eternally in the face of immoral acts, such as embezzlement or infidelity? I seem to remember something in the Lori Hacking discussions about the seal being broken by the murder, but don't know if lesser crimes affect it. I think it was determined that the Hackings were Temple sealed.

 

[NCBanker]

They did have a viewing and she was in her temple clothing.
As for the funeral, at times Raven seemed very amiable, if not chatty with those in attendance. He was showing off Kaiden to friends who hadn't seen him before. It seemed like he was holding on tight to Kaiden, which I could certainly understand. It was very strange seeing him, though.
Overall it was very sad, despite the speakers' best attempts to lighten the situation with stories of Janet. I can say, I did not see much interaction between the families.

You'll note in my post above concerning temple marriage, that I would be more hesitant in thinking Raven had something to do with this if they had been married in the temple. This does not mean that he didn't do it, however. Mark and Lori Hacking were married in the temple, and Mark even served a mission. There are certain people who simply ignore the covenants they've made and become completely desensitized to things of a spiritual nature. This usually happens when one is not living the commandments, i.e. committing adultery, embezzling, etc.

 

[golfmom]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010828031754/ravenstree.com/images/Wedding/005.jpg

Can anyone determine if this would be in front of a temple?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If they were married in the temple, I would be a little more hesitant to think he did this. There are sacred covenants made there, and the couple is sealed for time and all eternity. One must adhere to the highest moral standards in order to enter the temple.

Whether or not Raven is a murderer, it doesn't seem that he's overly concerned with adhering to the highest moral standards. He is charged with embezzlement.

 

[NCBanker]

Does the seal stand eternally in the face of immoral acts, such as embezzlement or infidelity? I seem to remember something in the Lori Hacking discussions about the seal being broken by the murder, but don't know if lesser crimes affect it. I think it was determined that the Hackings were Temple sealed.

There is something referred to as the Holy Spirit of Promise. This is what binds a couple together through eternity. If either of the couple is not living the commandments, then the seal is broken.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

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[NCBanker]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010828031754/ravenstree.com/images/Wedding/005.jpg

Can anyone determine if this would be in front of a temple?

Though I'm not completely certain, it appears that they are standing in front of the doors at the Washington DC Temple. The only reason I suspect this, is that I was married there too, and have been there on many, many occasions.

 

[Moxie]

"I went to the same college as Janet and Raven. I knew of them, but you know of everyone in a college that small. I've got some answers to a few of people's questions in previous posts--Janet and Raven were not married in a Mormon temple. "


I'm sorry for jumping into the middle of the thread, but I've just recently discovered this forum. I, too, went to school with Janet at SVU for a semester. I also was at her funeral. I'm curious when Jennifred says they were not married in a mormon temple. I believe her, but in the eulogy, her best friend said that the were married and sealed in the Washington DC temple. I also saw many pictures on display at the funeral that had Janet in her wedding dress and I'm almost 100% positive they were in front of the temple.
Jennifred, I'm wondering your thoughts on this.
I must say it was eerie seeing him and his family at the funeral. Janet has a sister that looks just like her. Very sad.

Hi AnneShirley,

Welcome! Yes, they were married in the temple.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.purchasing.utah.gov/agencies/contracts/ma382.pdf

On page two, under "Names Of Persons Responsible For Taking Orders", you'll find a Raven Abaroa. It's in SLC, Utah, and appears to be computer-related.

 

[Moxie]

Thanks for posting, Anneshirley.

Was Raven's demeanor at the funeral what one would expect, under the circumstances?

Vero,

No. I was there and although he seemed sad at moments, those moments were fleeting. I got the impression that he didn't seem too broken up about it. He was very upbeat almost, which left me with an incredible sinking feeling in my stomach.

 

[golfmom]

http://www.purchasing.utah.gov/agencies/contracts/ma382.pdf

On page two, under "Names Of Persons Responsible For Taking Orders", you'll find a Raven Abaroa. It's in SLC, Utah, and appears to be computer-related.

This corresponds with his resume too.

 

[anneshirley]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010828031754/ravenstree.com/images/Wedding/005.jpg

Can anyone determine if this would be in front of a temple?

I can't tell from that picture, but in the small picture of their wedding cake, there appears to be a crystal figure of the Washington DC temple on top of it (this is a trend in mormon weddings).
http://web.archive.org/web/20010828060729/ravenstree.com/images/Wedding/009_small.jpg
The same figurine was on display at the funeral.
Now, that doesn't mean that they were actually married in the temple, but it might be strange to have that there if they weren't. Of course, that could have been their goal,to get married in the temple later.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

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[Jenifred]

I'm curious when Jennifred says they were not married in a mormon temple. I believe her, but in the eulogy, her best friend said that the were married and sealed in the Washington DC temple. I also saw many pictures on display at the funeral that had Janet in her wedding dress and I'm almost 100% positive they were in front of the temple.


I've got to say that I think I was jumping the gun by presuming that they weren't married in the temple. I was told by two people that they weren't worthy to go to the temple. And one of them told me that they weren't married in the temple. I believed them, but they could be wrong too. That's why I posted that. Could they have been sealed later? Yes. Did you see any pictures with the temple in the background? I saw the pictures of the couple in front of what I thought was the temple too, but do we know if that was their wedding day?

Sorry if I've bothered close friends or relatives, but that's what I was told by someone I thought trustworthy. But it looks as if I was mistaken. I apoligize.

 

[anneshirley]

Hi AnneShirley,

Welcome! Yes, they were married in the temple.

Thanks, Moxie!
I thought that they were. I appreciate your clearing this up. I agree with you, it was very strange to see him at the funeral. I don't know what I was expecting, but it certainly wasn't that.

 

[golfmom]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010711195338/www.ravenstree.com/adventurearchive.htm

The Salt Lake Temple. Janet and Raven are only a few minutes away from going to our first "live session."

Me in front of the Tabernacle. The pictures were originally bad in contrast, and that is why the colors are a little off!

Janet in front of the tabernacle.

 

[golfmom]

To those that attended the funeral.
What was given out as the cause of Janet's death?
What did people speculate happened to her or why?

 

[NCBanker]

Thanks, Moxie!
I thought that they were. I appreciate your clearing this up. I agree with you, it was very strange to see him at the funeral. I don't know what I was expecting, but it certainly wasn't that.

Anneshirley, you wouldn't be from Avonlea, would you? Nice name.