The Murder of Janet Abaroa #1

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misterallgood said:
It's pretty simple; page 3 tells what was supposed to be received -- the judge needs specificity like that in a warrant or they won't sign -- and the actual inventory demonstrates no computer was found.

I don't know if the warrant was constructed from some sort of standard departmental search warrant boilerplate or with the specific Abaroa residence in mind, therefore it's hard to tell if they expected to find a computer but did not, or if such search warrants always say that.

It looks like usually that search warrants are specific to a residence, based on whatever investigators saw there when first investigating the crime scene. Erego; they expected to find a 'puter, and if they seized one, they didn't list it on the inventory -- the handwritten inventory is what was actually taken from the home. No computer was inventoried, even though files from one were called for in the warrant request, the affidavit.

And that, my friends, is hinky.
Ok, I have a question now. I am confused. On the typed part of the 2nd page I think, there was mention of collecting fired and unfired casings from a gun, yet I do not see a gun or bullets on the hand written inventoried page. Does that mean that those were not taken because they couldn't be found, or do the police not need to write that stuff down if they take it??
 
golfmom said:
IF the computer disappeared between Janet's murder and the search warrant that could cause some pretty serious problems.

We know that the computer was in the house on the 25th;
Janet was murdered the 26th;
the search was conducted the 27th.

So in his deep grief, Raven did what with his computer ? ? ?
That's the tune I'm singin', golfmom.
 
Family members were working Wednesday to establish a trust fund for Abaroa's son, Kaiden, who is being cared for by his father and family friends, said Abaroa's sister, Dena Kendall. Details on contributing to the fund were expected to be available by Friday.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...ry/2374516p-8752598c.html+Kaiden+abaroa&hl=en

I was all excited over nothing. Reporter got it wrong it was his sister-in-law, Janet's sister.
 
PrayersForMaura said:
Ok, I have a question now. I am confused. On the typed part of the 2nd page I think, there was mention of collecting fired and unfired casings from a gun, yet I do not see a gun or bullets on the hand written inventoried page. Does that mean that those were not taken because they couldn't be found, or do the police not need to write that stuff down if they take it??
Is it possible that he voluntarily let them take the computer, prior to their getting a warrant for the additional items? If it was voluntary, it wouldn't need to be listed on the warrant, right? Just a guess - and a bit of a stretch.
 
NCBanker said:
Is it possible that he voluntarily let them take the computer, prior to their getting a warrant for the additional items? If it was voluntary, it wouldn't need to be listed on the warrant, right? Just a guess - and a bit of a stretch.
welcome to websleuths, NCBanker!!
You could be correct, maybe he did volunteer but don't they have to put in writing everything they take anyway?? I don't know how all of that search warrant stuff works. I'm not only interested in the computer and its whereabouts but also the reports of the fired and unfired "casings" ... and why they would take "trace" of Janet's hands? I guess to figure out if she had pulled the trigger.

Do we know if she was stabbed to death and shot or just stabbed?
 
Hey NCbanker! Welcome to WS!!!

I think even if he let LE remove the computer, it would still have to be listed as inventory removed from the home. Though it could have been listed separately not not released.
 
PrayersForMaura said:
welcome to websleuths, NCBanker!!
You could be correct, maybe he did volunteer but don't they have to put in writing everything they take anyway?? I don't know how all of that search warrant stuff works. I'm not only interested in the computer and its whereabouts but also the reports of the fired and unfired "casings" ... and why they would take "trace" of Janet's hands? I guess to figure out if she had pulled the trigger.

Do we know if she was stabbed to death and shot or just stabbed?
LE took trace evidence of her hands for a couple of reasons: to show any gun powder residue, had she fired a gun, and to show any evidence of a struggle, i.e. dna/skin under her fingernails from fighting an attacker. There has to be defense wounds on her hands as well.
 
NCBanker said:
LE took trace evidence of her hands for a couple of reasons: to show any gun powder residue, had she fired a gun, and to show any evidence of a struggle, i.e. dna/skin under her fingernails from fighting an attacker. There has to be defense wounds on her hands as well.

As an athlete, I think that it is likely that she put up a tremendous struggle.
 
I live in the Triangle area of NC, and I'm absolutely floored as why there has been so little information in the media. You'd think they'd provide some sort of update, simply to say that no additional information has been released. If I were one of the reporters covering the case, I'd be pinging LE on a daily basis for any information, whatsoever.

Like Janet and her husband, I'm also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I've been wanting to contact a cousin of mine, who attends one of the congregations or "wards" in Durham to see what she knows, though I've not had time. Additionally, another cousin of mine is a lead forensic investigator for the NC SBI. I should give him a call to see what he knows. Additionally, he became good friends with a reporter for Court TV (who is also Mormon) during the Michael Peterson murder trial in Durham a few years ago. Perhaps we can prod this from a number of angles.
 
NCBanker said:
I live in the Triangle area of NC, and I'm absolutely floored as why there has been so little information in the media. You'd think they'd provide some sort of update, simply to say that no additional information has been released. If I were one of the reporters covering the case, I'd be pinging LE on a daily basis for any information, whatsoever.

Like Janet and her husband, I'm also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I've been wanting to contact a cousin of mine, who attends one of the congregations or "wards" in Durham to see what she knows, though I've not had time. Additionally, another cousin of mine is a lead forensic investigator for the NC SBI. I should give him a call to see what he knows. Additionally, he became good friends with a reporter for Court TV (who is also Mormon) during the Michael Peterson murder trial in Durham a few years ago. Perhaps we can prod this from a number of angles.

brrrriinnnnngggg LOL start calling!

Some of our most pressing questions around here surround Raven's bonafides. Through his website he talks about exclusively about himself, yet we haven't been able to verify much of what he claims. Janet on the other hand is barely mentioned yet you can find lots of info about her on the web.

Is it unusual in your community for family / friends / church members to be so quiet? I'm used to seeing family members plead publicly for info regarding their loved ones.
 
golfmom said:
I'm used to seeing family members plead publicly for info regarding their loved ones.

I'm wondering if one of the big reasons we're not seeing more of the family in the news is because she is not missing. There is no need for them to plead to info concerning her whereabouts . . . and if LE is on to anyone, the family might not want to hinder that in any way.

Just a thought . . .
 
I'm wondering if one of the big reasons we're not seeing more of the family in the news is because she is not missing. There is no need for them to plead to info concerning her whereabouts . . . and if LE is on to anyone, the family might not want to hinder that in any way.

Just a thought . . .
And a very good one. I think this might be the case. (The part I quoted in bold.)

Mr A/Steve
 
I'm wondering if one of the big reasons we're not seeing more of the family in the news is because she is not missing. There is no need for them to plead to info concerning her whereabouts . . . and if LE is on to anyone, the family might not want to hinder that in any way.

Just a thought . . .

Maybe, but we've seen rewards for information leading the the arrest, etc. etc. etc.

My thought is everyone close to the situation knows who the PoI is and are just waiting for the details to be cleared up (forensics)
 
golfmom said:
Maybe, but we've seen rewards for information leading the the arrest, etc. etc. etc.

My thought is everyone close to the situation knows who the PoI is and are just waiting for the details to be cleared up (forensics)
EXACTLY. I think the family knows who did this, and that they're simply waiting for LE to act. It is uncommon, however, that there is absolute "radio silence" in a case like this. If you'll recall some other Mormon cases, i.e. Elizabeth Smart, Lori Hacking, there was tremendous coverage/interviews with family and friends. The difference there may be that in those cases, at least in the beginning, the culprit was unknown. This may be an open and shut case, where so much evidence was present that it's a no-brainer. They're simply waiting for the forensic results to return.
 
golfmom said:
IF the computer disappeared between Janet's murder and the search warrant that could cause some pretty serious problems.

We know the computer was in the home on the 25th;
Janet was murdered the 26th;
the search was conducted the 27th.

So in his deep grief, Raven did what with his computer ? ? ?
I think we need to cover all the logical possibilities, and here are some thoughts as I re-read all our notes and the police reports. Please provide input, as I am so terribly inexperienced in this.
Here are my thoughts on this...

IF Janet was on the computer shortly before she was killed, as was INITIALLY REPORTED about her murder, then the computer was in the house on the 26th, yes. However, she could have written a time- delayed Email or the recipient had just not gotten around to reading her email until the 26th, which I doubt.

Have we ever considered that the email could have been written by Raven and sent to the co-workers so that THEY would be the ones to call 911, possibly even " find the body". Profilers tell us that when a murder is committed within a family, the perpetrator does not want to be the one to either find the body or notify authorities unless they are forced to do so.

We know A computer was accessed by Raven Abaroa on April 25th because he left an electronic paper trail a mile wide.
Was it deliberately misleading for some reason? If so, what was the reason? Could it be that his computer or computers were already gone and he accessed another computer at either a friend's house, his church ward, the Family History center, or college? ( He states in his last journal entry that he is enrolled in college, but I don't believe this either).

Next, we have the statement by Janet's co-workers that at least one of them received computer communication from her, became alarmed and called 911.
Assuming the simplest answer, that Janet DID write the email or Instant Message, MAYBE it had nothing to do with her physical surroundings. Maybe she found Raven's detailed "To Do List" on the computer, and it had alarming things like " buy bullets" and " check all soccer schedules for the week of _____ to provide alibi."

Remember that he has told the world that he uses Franklin Covey day planner online to plan every little detail of everything so he can concentrate. ( ADD perhaps?) Or maybe she found something else which weirded her out, like "ESCAPE PLAN", or communication with someone about seeking refuge with them in the near future..

Maybe the egocentric man actually had a plan for murder which was all detailed out. Maybe it started months before with the embezzlement of cash, and was stepped up when he got caught. I think it's important to note that Janet is a secretarial type person, and worked with him at Eurosport. His desire to hurt her could come from her being the one who reported money missing from their place of employment.. we don't know.
I think there may be a connection between the theft of money over a period of months and Janet's murder.. I need help with the " what and wherefore" of the connection. I keep going back to having cash stashed away so he could flee easily, but he got caught. Surely he knew that LE was watching him closer than they would a person not charged with multiple felony counts?

IF he did realize that he was under scrutiny, perhaps he did hire the killing. I would like to know what the police found in the safe. Was it the embezzled money? If not, maybe part of it went to a hit man. All he had to do was leave a rarely used door unlocked and the perp. would have access to the house. It was in a remote location.
However, the truck was swabbed and probed. I tend to think they found blood in Raven's truck, indicating that he killed her before going to the soccer game. If he did, where's the money he stole? Did he have recent large insurance policies on Janet?

I think this crime has elements of premeditation as well as disorganization ( blood and a knife in the truck) with probable signs of a struggle within the crimescene ( blood on the walls, possibly a gun fired).
All in all, it was not a clean kill.

I keep thinking of bloody fingers typing out email messages to people in Janet's address book under WORK contacts.. So that someone else, anyone else could call 911 and have them find the body.
What really happened with the co-worker's " checking on Janet"? Did they place a call to 911 which was deemed a prank or insufficient to merit investigation?

What do you think, everyone?
 
Based on what I read in Raven's ramblings and what was provided in the news, it would appear to me that Raven's purported embezzling involved fictitious expenses. The dates of the purported thefts are all on the 1st of the month, over a period of 4-5 months in the latter part of 2004. I recall reading in Raven's ramblings that the expense budget had been cut, which would lead me to believe that abuse was rampant. Perhaps in the process of examining the expense budget, expenditures, etc., they uncovered his overstated/fictitious expenses. Remember, they had been cash strapped. His love of the finer things may have led him to increase his income through expense reimbursement. While this isn't considered traditional embezzling, it is theft from the company, regardless.

I also wanted to address the fact that he had been weaping so much that his words were incoherent, when contacted by Janet's family. While it's possible that he is innocent and completely beside himself, it is also possible that he did in fact commit this crime and is overcome with guilt. One of the Menendez boys wept like a baby after killing his parents.
 
PrayersForMaura said:
I see Raven as someone who was born into hard times. On his blog he posted about his parents divorce. He didn't take his father's last name.
I haven't finished reading this thread; don't know if someone posted this possibility. Raven is of Spanish ancestry. Don't some Hispanics typically take the mother's last name?
 
JerseyGirl said:
I haven't finished reading this thread; don't know if someone posted this possibility. Raven is of Spanish ancestry. Don't some Hispanics typically take the mother's last name?
JerseyGirl, IMHO, since he was born into an LDS home, the father was definitely the head of the household, and the dominant figure. The children would have had birth certificates with his name on them originally. It's the way the church works, regardless of any Hispanic traditions.
It's also US law when a baby is born to a married couple for the baby to have the father's last name, as I understand it, and he was born in the US.
 
golfmom said:
I think that it's possible that Raven might be a fairly good soccer player. It seems that a lot of the stuff on his resume would be able to be verified, (although there is some that probably can't). But when considering the number of men that are playing the sport as opposed to the number of women playing, perhaps Raven wasn't a "shining star" amongst the males as Janet was amongst the females. It's much harder to stand out in a group of a million than it is to stand out in a group of a thousand. (I have no idea what the actual numbers are but I'm sure you get the idea.) :)
 
NCBanker said:
Based on what I read in Raven's ramblings and what was provided in the news, it would appear to me that Raven's purported embezzling involved fictitious expenses. The dates of the purported thefts are all on the 1st of the month, over a period of 4-5 months in the latter part of 2004. I recall reading in Raven's ramblings that the expense budget had been cut, which would lead me to believe that abuse was rampant. Perhaps in the process of examining the expense budget, expenditures, etc., they uncovered his overstated/fictitious expenses. Remember, they had been cash strapped. His love of the finer things may have led him to increase his income through expense reimbursement. While this isn't considered traditional embezzling, it is theft from the company, regardless.

I also wanted to address the fact that he had been weaping so much that his words were incoherent, when contacted by Janet's family. While it's possible that he is innocent and completely beside himself, it is also possible that he did in fact commit this crime and is overcome with guilt. One of the Menendez boys wept like a baby after killing his parents.
Hi, NCBanker. Welcome. :)
It's good to have your viewpoint. I think it's important to look at things from different angles.

About the embezzlement charges:
Apparently his former employer had enough evidence against him that crimes were committed for the DA to charge him with multiple counts of embezzlement, not fudging on expense reports in a gray area. If it was standard practice to steal $9000 from Eurosport, then I would like to know if they charged multiple sales people with the same felony.

About the 911 call: I haven't heard an audio replay of it, but it has been reported that he said his wife was injured, had been shot. Wouldn't most people know the difference between a bullet hole and a stab wound or multiple stab wounds?
I think his mis-statement of the cause of injury/ death was an attempt to show naivete about the crime.
If he cried or was incoherent on the 911 tape, it's not reported to the public, not to say it didn't occur that way.

Certainly guilt and fear of the police could cause him to cry, as could innocence and the grief an innocent person would feel. At first, I thought he could be innocent. Now, I have passed that point and don't expect to go back to it. He is a poor pathological liar who has had egocentric delusions for a very long time. There has to be a good reason that the police said from the beginning that this was not a random crime. There has to be a better reason that they are not asking the public for information. They have information and are waiting on forensic testing to be completed, apparently.

They may also be looking for a missing computer or computers. I still think there is a reason Raven wrote computer entries on the 25th after a long period of inactivity, and that some form of computer communication was said to have alarmed Janet's co-workers to the point that they were reported to have come to the house to check on her. It was not exactly in the thick of things, being off the road on a long gravel driveway in the woods. I would have been very afraid for her, and also afraid to go to see what was wrong. I think they were SENT by the email, if that initial report was correct, then hat account of the co-workers and email was squelched, it appears. It was only reported once by one news outlet, then the story changed to " Raven called 911, wife shot, injured".
LE probably has the right to issue an incorrect statement when the correct account would possibly compromise the integrity of the case. However, someone talked to the media and ONE report contrary to the official news release and that account made it to press ONE time. I think it is important for the reasons I stated in my earlier post about the missing computer or computers.
 
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