the question phase continues: Arias on the stand for the 18th day #85

[Southern_Meadow]

Someone posted on the other thread that there were more jury questions and that court didn't start until after lunch tomorrow. Didn't the judge ask the jurors if they had any more questions and there were none. Then there was a sidebar and court was dismissed for the day. I could've sworn she said be back at 10:30 in the morning. I assumed they dismissed early today because the next witnesses were not there to testify.

 

[AZWatcher]

The shelves thing is ridiculous. Nothing disturbed and the shelf didn't collapse? Please.
I'm 5 1 and about 108 pounds and it couldn't hold me for a second!

Me too. My closet looks a lot like TA's .Mine are secured to the wall but the shelves are the same peg system. I weigh about the same as JA but am 3 inches taller... Gonna see what happens when I step on the shelf in socks....

OK! Here's what happened:

The shelf that I put my foot on was approximately 12 inches from the ground ...
I stepped on the very edge of it while at the same time grabbing the higher shelf with my left as though I was reaching for something higher and to my right.... the back side of it tipped up and then landed back on its pegs only slightly (but definitely) disturbing the shoes on it.

Here's what I was totally NOT expecting to happen (because I suck at physics)... The shelf I grabbed with my hand SLID out towards me really fast and cleared the back peg platforms and fell down between the 4 pegs and the shoes landed on the shelf below it!!!

 

[anagrammy]

Jody Arias goes to her bishop AFTER the murder and admits the sex. So now she's in the process of repentence without confessing that SHE MURDERED SOMEONE!

This reveals part of her motive, which was to restore her good name and smear Travis' because he threatened to expose her for the beeyotch thief? that she is. She fully intended to keep this murder secret forever.

If she went back to the bishop and told him that she murdered someone after she confessed that she slept with him--and didn't tell him that--she would be excommunicated.

I am sure she fooled the bishop, crying and carrying on that she didn't want to do the nasty but he made her and now he's dead and he was so wonderful, kind, lit up a room...I'm sue the bishop felt sorry for her almost-widowhood and just put her on probation.

What a monster.

 

[Hally]

The shelves thing is ridiculous. Nothing disturbed and the shelf didn't collapse? Please.
I'm 5 1 and about 108 pounds and it couldn't hold me for a second!

Yep, it's called gravity too. JM made sure he set this ? up perfectly. It is clear from the picture,that there was nothing on this shelf that had much weight to hold it down. There is no way possibly to step on this shelf without tipping it, flipping it, or dropping the lightweight items on it.

I like how JM sets his questions up. With the most defiant defendant I have ever seen. I just hope she keep challenging him, when you don't want to cooperate, or answer a question = you're guilty.

 

[Lorelilly]

I wonder if Nurmi will start his questioning of expert witnesses with, "So, how would you describe your childhood?"

I'm pretty sure the female on the DT is going to handle both of the experts so Nurmi-no-more is imminent!

 

[HildyMac]

The shelves thing is ridiculous. Nothing disturbed and the shelf didn't collapse? Please.
I'm 5 1 and about 108 pounds and it couldn't hold me for a second!

This should show you how the shelves would work....fast forward the video to 4 minutes and 30 seconds - (4:30) it will begin with Travis 'body slamming' Jodi to the floor and will depict her going to the closet to get the gun.....it think this is exactly what happened according to the time indicated on the pictures. It addresses the shelves as well.

[video=youtube;Z8MxOfIWlFc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MxOfIWlFc[/video]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MxOfIWlFc&feature=youtu.be

 

[JRS_JD2L]

I'm a newbie here, so...sorry if I'm out of line, but for those who believe JM did not score some severely major points today, I have to respectfully disagree. First, cross examination is about keeping the witness unstable and off-guard; the whole point is to not let the witness prepare for her answers. So, if you noticed, JM was moving from topic to topic without any transitions...lack of organization is completely by design to keep JA off-guard. Second, cross (or in this case follow-up) is not about landing the ultimate "Perry Mason" moment. Rather, it is about gathering inconsistencies to be argued in closing argument.

So, today we learned:
1. That Jodi said last week that she thought the gun was in a holster, but today....she suddenly can't remember.
2. The 62 second timeline is impossible.
3. No reasonable person could believe that she climbed on the closet shelves without disturbing anything, or flipping one of the shelves.
4. She saw the gun three times: but, none of those times included seeing Travis "load the gun and take it with him." Today was the first time we heard this claim.
5. She remembers, crystal clear, only the events that support her self-defense claims. 6. The height of the closet will not support her version (IMO demonstrated clearly on closing).
7. She only uses Mormon doctrine when it demonstrates that Travis was a heretic.

There are more points that were made, but I thought today was the best day JM had so far. IMHO, at the end of the day, some of the subtle points of today will bite JA in the behind more than any of the obvious inconsistencies.

Please pardon the pretension of my first post, but I am an avid follower of this trial and have been a consistent lurker here!

 

[anagrammy]

JURY QUESTION: If you were so ashamed of the bruises that you didn't photograph them, Ms. Arias, why weren't you too ashamed of the phone sex to record it?

 

[katiedid2]

Juan has already tainted the views of the defense dv expert. If she lied to her dv expert than you can say that all of laviolette opinions/testimony will be based on lies and not credible. im not worried about her whatsoever i'm more annoyed that nurmi will be up there slowly asking questions. im hoping the lady defense lawyer will take over the questioning. matter of fact i think the psychologist will be next. she's lied to him as well.

Oh sweet Jesus :banghead:
Say it isn't so! Not nurmi again!
Your right juan made sure the jury knew what she told the DV counsellor!
And when does wilma get to say or do anything besides poke nurmi to respond to something Martinez is saying!

 

[SusieD]

If JA ever has to answer the SHELF question I bet she will say she cleaned up a bit as her fog came and went...good Lord!

Of course she cleaned up. She never would have sullied Travis' reputation as a neat and tidy guy.

Because we all know her #1 duty after slaughtering him was to protect him.

 

[borndem]

This trial has been a long one, but I do think we are now on the short side. But the length of it, although I didn't expect it to go this long, has not upset me -- except for the huge inconvenience -- to say the least -- to the jurors and TA's poor family.

But...

I will say this, MHO, to those who may be upset about the length of the trial and the judge being called weak (or worse) and allowing "almost anything" that the attorney or prosecutor wants to do: As others have said, this is a Death Penalty trial. If JA is sentenced to death, there is an automatic appeal (and there will prolly be an appeal if she is sentenced to LWOP).

Since it's a capital case, the judge is giving wide latitude certainly to the defensive side -- her life is literally on the line here. And Her Honor is also, in fairness, IMO, giving some latitude to the State as well.

This is not a case of someone breaking in and stealing a stereo. And one particular verdict and sentence could result in an allowed homicide of the defendant (weird to think about, but when someone is executed due to a death sentence, the Manner of Death on the Death Certificate is listed as "Homicide." Spooky). This trial is a biggie, and to overturn such a verdict would be a very big deal.

Here ends my mini-rant....:rant:

JMHO.

 

[artsy1]

Someone posted on the other thread that there were more jury questions and that court didn't start until after lunch tomorrow. Didn't the judge ask the jurors if they had any more questions and there were none. Then there was a sidebar and court was dismissed for the day. I could've sworn she said be back at 10:30 in the morning. I assumed they dismissed early today because the next witnesses were not there to testify.

That was what I heard, too.

 

[katiedid2]

JURY QUESTION: If you were so ashamed of the bruises that you didn't photograph them, Ms. Arias, why weren't you too ashamed of the phone sex to record it?

Hello anagrammy
Was that today?
I was in my fog! Seriously though and thank you in advance! :seeya:

 

[Linda7NJ]

So we've heard the last of arias! On the stand?
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

What about the new jury questions?


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[getReal]

JM was grinning a bit when JA said that she was 5'6" (66") and could look at eye level at the photo on the first shelf. He knew she pulled yet another boner.

Eye level is 5" from the top of your (adult) head, so (according to JA) the middle of the photo on the shelf would have to be 61" (5'1") from the floor of the closet, meaning that the shelf is only 56" (4'8") from the floor.

Typical doors are 81" from the floor to the bottom of the door jamb. According to Jodi, that door must be about 6" high!

Typical doorknobs are 36" from the floor. You can easily see in the photo where the doorknob is and where it connects with the door jamb.

I believe the measurements on the floorplan JM used in his OS only include widths and lengths, but not the heights.

If Jodi stepped onto the third shelf from the floor, that would be like stepping up about 30" - 36". Try that at home!

 

[Gypsy Road]

Wait, BK just said that one of the defense witnesses is most likely going to claim that JA suffered from PTSD after killing Travis. Well of course she is, but how can that be? I thought the jury asked JA if she had been diagnosed or sought medical treatment for a medical/mental condition. JA answered no. Wouldn't PTSD fall under the mental health category?

 

[G&AMom]

So will she claim to have been molested, since that's the defense du jour and people seem to think it explains/excuses any and all types of violence or unexplainable behavior??

I was waiting for that to come up, but I think it's too late now. Although I suppose the DV expert could say she shows "signs" of being molested, or that victims of abuse often block memories of molestation.

That's the problem with these experts. If she bad-mouths Travis or praises him, if remembers or doesn't remember, if she believed she was abused or didn't believe, no matter what she says, the DV expert is going to say it's a classic sign of a battered woman.

 

[Schuby]

I'm a newbie here, so...sorry if I'm out of line, but for those who believe JM did not score some severely major points today, I have to respectfully disagree. First, cross examination is about keeping the witness unstable and off-guard; the whole point is to not let the witness prepare for her answers. So, if you noticed, JM was moving from topic to topic without any transitions...lack of organization is completely by design to keep JA off-guard. Second, cross (or in this case follow-up) is not about landing the ultimate "Perry Mason" moment. Rather, it is about gathering inconsistencies to be argued in closing argument.

So, today we learned:
1. That Jodi said last week that she thought the gun was in a holster, but today....she suddenly can't remember.
2. The 62 second timeline is impossible.
3. No reasonable person could believe that she climbed on the closet shelves without disturbing anything, or flipping one of the shelves.
4. She saw the gun three times: but, none of those times included seeing Travis "load the gun and take it with him." Today was the first time we heard this claim.
5. She remembers, crystal clear, only the events that support her self-defense claims. 6. The height of the closet will not support her version (IMO demonstrated clearly on closing).
7. She only uses Mormon doctrine when it demonstrates that Travis was a heretic.

There are more points that were made, but I thought today was the best day JM had so far. IMHO, at the end of the day, some of the subtle points of today will bite JA in the behind more than any of the obvious inconsistencies.

Please pardon the pretension of my first post, but I am an avid follower of this trial and have been a consistent lurker here!

Great post! Welcome aboard!

 

[Linda7NJ]

JURY QUESTION: If you were so ashamed of the bruises that you didn't photograph them, Ms. Arias, why weren't you too ashamed of the phone sex to record it?

If she didn't know all forms of sex were wrong outside of marriage .... Why tell Daryl no more sex as she was saving herself for marriage?


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[Ammonitida]

Juan has already tainted the views of the defense dv expert. If she lied to her dv expert than you can say that all of laviolette opinions/testimony will be based on lies and not credible. im not worried about her whatsoever i'm more annoyed that nurmi will be up there slowly asking questions. im hoping the lady defense lawyer will take over the questioning. matter of fact i think the psychologist will be next. she's lied to him as well.

The first two hours of questioning will have to do with their lives and how they became the experts in the fields. It's going to be a long day tomorrow but thank heavens Jodi will no longer be able to craft her lies on the stand. That part is now OVER! :great: