the question phase continues: Arias on the stand for the 18th day #85

[Paintr]

Was there any mention yesterday of the Walmart and Tesoro receipts?

Not that I heard.

 

[Pink Panther]

11) using the word "obsessed" in her testibaloney
12) sending irises to TA's grandmother
13) leaving voicemails, texts and emails after the murder
14) uttering the "No jury will convict me" line
15) telling Detective Flores TA never had a gun

Good post. Still thinking....

16) Inside Edition with "story #1"
17) 48 Hours with "story #2"

 

[KMouse]

I think he is going along with the shot first because to be honest, either way she still attacked him with the knife. As he pointed out, she stabbed him nine times in the back. If nothing else, shooting him first makes it worse, he was defenceless with his back to her at some point with the possibility of already having been shot. What threat would have he been at that point? Yet she continued.

Edit : - and Im inclined to go with the M.E's testimony that the shot had to come last.

JM is just playing with his prey by appearing to go along with her shot first testimony. He is basically paraphrasing her testimony and asking her for clarification just so she can sit there and lie so more.

 

[katiewonders]

I saw a case on tv just that past weekend where a man murdered his wife by strangling her on a workout bench using the weight bar. Of course the defense said she was on medication and it was an unfortunate accident. When the jury went into deliberation, they were 7 to 5 in favor of aquittal. After doing an experiment using a workout bench and bar to recreate what happened, they convicted the man of first degree murder. Can't this jury do the same type of experiment or even go to the house and do the experiment? That would be the best way to disprove what she is saying!!!

No, the jury can not do any investigating or "experimenting" of the case on their own. Think about it, that would bring evidence, into their deliberations/thought process that has not come in through the court case. That's why there are so many court hearings, proffers, objections, etc., so that the evidence admitted in the court is allowed. Probative and not prejudicial to the defendant.

Also, can you imagine during deliberations there would be 12 different experiments on 12 different days in 12 different closets in 12 different houses by 12 different people at 12 different times. All experiments would not have matched JA's action.

Would you like your fate decided by someone who deliberated on evidence not presented in the courtroom where your attorney had your defense in mind with every question of testimony and each and every exhibit? :twocents:

I would guess that the judge could approve the jury going on a field trip to the house and have JA demonstrate what she did in the closet. I wouldn't bet money on it happening, though.

 

[DebinGA]

Ive always loved her
Can you imagine her with jodi? I would pay good money to see that

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The sad thing is that Travis had some wonderful, clear-thinking friends that loved him and would have given him great advice. I bet he longed to unburden himself to someone wise and get back on the right path, but the price he knew he'd pay was, apparently, too high.

 

[LadyEdith]

Something that has never sit right with me is is that Jodi says that Travis was cleaning the floor (after sex and before computer fun time). She said he had all the furniture up on the couch as he was sweeping. This is one piece of information that is semi-corroborated--a roommate testified that he noticed the furniture on the couch and after a few days, took it down.

I'm wondering if that wasn't part of Jodi's "clean up". Not that she would have to mop the whole floor, but if she dripped blood through the house to the washing machine, she would have cleaned it up. And it doesn't match Travis' behavior to leave the furniture on the couch after cleaning.

Unless of course he was waiting for the floor to dry? That seems unlikely. Whattaya think?

 

[lmkag96]

People will say that so many (psychopathic) murderers are so intelligent, but really all of them might think they are smarter than anyone else (S. Peterson, T. Bundy, J. Arias) but they all have made critical mistakes.

I heard many THs say there is no such thing as a perfect crime but I don't believe that anymore when I think of Jacob Wetterling, Brittanee Drexel, Kyron Horman Haleigh Cummings, Ayla Reynolds, Jennifer Kesse, and Tara Grinstead, to name a few. It blows my mind to think these cases haven't been solved.

Agreed. I've followed the Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead cases since the beginning. I wonder if we will ever find out what happened to them.

 

[Hopeful One]

They are not allowed to do any "investigating" on their own; they are to rely solely on the evidence in the case: testimony, exhibits, any "field trips" allowed by a judge.

edited to apologize, you asked Hopeful One and I answered - I didn't realize, sorry.

No worries, my dear! I say anyone who can answer a question, go for it!

 

[beldon]

I think the sex tape was a setup/ blackmail to use against Travis. You hear in the tape Jodi asking very leading questions about different sex acts and baits him to talk about them. The sex talk doesn't happen until much later in the tape. The first part of the convo is chitter chatter, which leads me to believe he had no idea this was being taped or was supposed to be a taped convo of sex talk.

I think by time she planned the staged burglary of her grandparents home in order for her to steal the gun she was in the planning stage of killing Travis. That was her method of choice.

I think she chose the shower because she would have an advantage over Travis. Having him sit, then shoot him. The mess contained in that one area then leave.

I think she waited outside Travis' house until the roommate left so that no one would know she was there.

Her plan was to kill him in the shower so she figured the best way to accomplish this was to have sex with him and pretend she wanted to take pics. Being she knew he would always take a shower after sex. She then baited him to get into the shower telling him those would be great pics. I think at the end she asked him to sit, at that point she only had a split second to shoot him because she knew once he saw the gun he would bolt. So immediately after sitting she pulls the gun from her pocket and hastily shoots him but the bullet enters his head in a way that isn't immediately fatal. As she panics to shoot him again he gets up stunned and staggering to the sink, she tries to fire again. But the gun jams. She runs to the kitchen for a knife knowing she cannot leave him alive. In the meantime Travis is over the sink spitting blood, she is now behind him stabbing him in the back and head. He turns to grab the knife and that is when his hand is cut. I think this is where he gets some of the frontal stabs. He tries to get away from her by going down the hall, stumbles and falls and it is then she goes crazy with her knife and also slashes his throat. She cuts her left hand at some point and is bleeding. Evidence of her blood and his mixed on the wall in the form of her left hand print on the wall. She drags him to the shower because he has her DNA on him.

After he is washed off in the shower she attempts a clean up... Takes his journal and what ever else and leaves.

This is my theory because she went thru the trouble of getting her grandfathers gun. So to me it feels as though that was her method of choice. She didnt anticipate that the first shot would not immediately kill him. I think her intention was a quick clean shot and then get out of there. I don't think she would get there and then choose a knife. And didnt know the gun would jam. At that point she had to get the knife to insure he would die.

This is exactly as I picture it. Ive tried and tried to see it the other way but I cant do it. Aside from obvious added risk of using a knife, and having stolen the gun already, if she'd attacked him with the knife to start, how does he end up at the sink with his back turned to his attacker? That last photo where they keep saying he is 'sitting' - I think he's slumped from a gunshot wound to the head, gun jams, camera dropped, runs to get a knife while he staggers dazed to the sink

 

[rhondavous]

They aren't allowed to experiment, search the internet, search the libraries, or search out any information related to this case that is not presented to them in the trial court. That's cause for a mistrial. I've seen it happen.

IMO

If any juror comes into court limping or wearing a sling or cast, everyone will know that this type of stuntwork should not be attempted by amateurs.

 

[RadarLuv]

Does anyone find it strange that they can't find a proper projector that they don't have to "rig" by taping a piece of cardboard atop of it?

Surely technology is more advanced than that. Yes, this is a small pet peeve of mine....can't help it.

 

[Keebler]

Agree. That is why her story is so bad. People keep saying she's a bad liar, I think she's a great liar. But she's got to tailor her story to the evidence, and the evidence is so strong, it has backed her into a story that is absurd.

She's great at the delivery of her lies, it's the content that's bad. I doubt she's used to being challenged like this and having her lies exposed. I suspect in the past her delivery prevented her from being challenged by weak, naive, gullible or dim-witted people. I think Travis started to catch on..might have taken him a while because he didn't know what he was dealing with for a while...but he did catch on and she couldn't have that just like she couldn't have him go to Cancun with another woman.

 

[Nosey Parker]

If any juror comes into court limping or wearing a sling or cast, everyone will know that this type of stuntwork should not be attempted by amateurs.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[rhondavous]

BBM

You know you've been around this case too long when you see Ikea but read "Yreka". :sigh:

I guess that explains all the flimsy, DIY, plywood shelving with pegs.

 

[lmkag96]

No, the jury can not do any investigating or "experimenting" of the case on their own. Think about it, that would bring evidence, into their deliberations/thought process that has not come in through the court case. That's why there are so many court hearings, proffers, objections, etc., so that the evidence admitted in the court is allowed. Probative and not prejudicial to the defendant.

Also, can you imagine during deliberations there would be 12 different experiments on 12 different days in 12 different closets in 12 different houses by 12 different people at 12 different times. All experiments would not have matched JA's action.

Would you like your fate decided by someone who deliberated on evidence not presented in the courtroom where your attorney had your defense in mind with every question of testimony and each and every exhibit? :twocents:

I did not mean that they should do the experiment on their own. To clarify, I meant that the jury should do the experiment in the courtroom or where ever they deliberate together (like on the show I referenced...that jury did the experiment legally in that case). That or, they should take the jury to the house to do the experiment using a girl that is jodi's build.

 

[carnnell]

No worries, my dear! I say anyone who can answer a question, go for it!

In terms of any investigating by the jury during trial, is a no no leading to a mistrial if caught.

However, once the jury starts deliberating, the jury can work out experiments in the jury room to prove or disprove witness statements as to their believability or not. (in part or whole)

This answer is based on father attorney/Law Enforcement (retired).

 

[Hopeful One]

Does anyone find it strange that they can't find a proper projector that they don't have to "rig" by taping a piece of cardboard atop of it?

Surely technology is more advanced than that. Yes, this is a small pet peeve of mine....can't help it.

HAHAHAAAA!!!! I thought the same thing!!!

 

[Steely Dan]

Not looking forward to this. Alyce LaViolette seems like she'll rub me the wrong way.

Anyone who can testify that JA is a victim of DV with a straight face should rub anyone the wrong way. JMO

 

[popsicle]

Here is something interesting to compare to AZ courts. The Steubenville OH rape case is expecting to wrap up either this Friday or Saturday.

 

[Pink Panther]

Does anyone have a link to pictures of the closet?