The Ramseys are Cleared

[Adalena935]

And yet this same perp squeezed through a basement window and didn't leave ONE fiber from their clothing - let alone ONE skin cell or hair?

DNA is biological evidence from the human body. It doesn't tell you what what clothes they had on.

I know it's possible what you're saying. I've had burglars who left no evidence coming thru an opening so small it's unbelieveable even if you're the victim of their wrongdoing.

Here's a question; How motivated are criminals? Especially those bent on raping and murdering a 6 year old beauty queen within her own luxury home? A real prize to any pedophile/murderer.

How motivated was he?

to steal my few trinkets by comparison at the time my burglar was plenty motivated. This is how many want to be apprehended; none

 

[twinkiesmom]

how does male DNA that does not match anyone in the family or their known aquaintences find it's way on the underpants and long johns of a murder victim?

Since we're talking about molecules here an not cells...could blood have been a carrier fluid that took molecules of foreign DNA from the Asian panty sewer to the long johns (which were touching the panties)....Could a lab tech wearing gloves have transferred foreign factory worker DNA to the long johns without having known in 1996 that they would be magnifying specks of DNA?

 

[TexMex]

Why is the world does Greta have John Mark Karr on as a guest? He actually has nothing to do with this case and he is just and attention seeker and Greta is giving it to him. What a waste of guest time. She could have had soomeone on who matters! I'm pissed at greta now.

Hi trixie

The dude is way wierd. Very creepy.
Why Greta, why?
Nothing to contribute to this news...

 

[philamena]

"There are many people in this country, if not around the world, that also owe John and Patsy Ramsey and Burke Ramsey (their son) an apology," he said.

Hey Lin,
:butthead::cursing:
An apology--NEVA!

 

[wenchie]

Agreed.

The Ramseys passed lie detector tests.

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0525rams1.shtml

Tests that they paid for themselves?

If, as Patsy says, "the truth never changes", they should have/could have taken those tests immediately after the murder, when they were asked to by LE.

 

[BBB167893]

Lie detector tests! BAH!

 

[Tricia]

Agreed.

The Ramseys passed lie detector tests.

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0525rams1.shtml

Took them three tries. Had two different examiners.

 

[wenchie]

DNA is biological evidence from the human body. It doesn't tell you what what clothes they had on.

Yet this perpetrator spent kind a bit of time in contact with JonBenet - even fixing her hair and changing her clothes - without leaving a speck of their own clothing fiber or one hair from their own body?


I say it's impossible.

 

[LI_Mom]

Since we're talking about molecules here an not cells...could blood have been a carrier fluid that took molecules of foreign DNA from the Asian panty sewer to the long johns (which were touching the panties)....Could a lab tech wearing gloves have transferred foreign factory worker DNA to the long johns without having known in 1996 that they would be magnifying specks of DNA?

That's what I wanted to know....

how pristine is ANY of the evidence or tests?

 

[Tricia]

Please read~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The paintbrush!~

The paintbrush was touched by the killer to make the garrote. The paint brush was touched by the killer to insert the end of it into JBR.

The killer had to hold the paintbrush to break it. If there were ALREADY male DNA on the paintbrush, when the killer broke the paintbrush to make the garrote, he/she could have gotten it on his hands and it would have transferred to the sides of JBR's long johns as well as off of the inserted paintbrush to intermingle with her blood and onto her panties!

I want to know what male was likely to have touched Patsy's paintbrushes....

Someone please tell me how this is not a logical transferrance of DNA to both places...

If the killer wore gloves his/her dna might not located anywhere but the male dna already on the painbrush sure would....

This is an excellent point for two reasons:

1- It is entirely possible

2-It shows ANOTHER example of a plausable explanation about the DNA. Hence, (as Patsy would say in her Christmas letter and the Ransom Note) reasonable doubt even if the owner of the DNA is found.

 

[angelwngs]

This is an excellent point for two reasons:

1- It is entirely possible

2-It shows ANOTHER example of a plausable explanation about the DNA. Hence, (as Patsy would say in her Christmas letter and the Ransom Note) reasonable doubt even if the owner of the DNA is found.

Thank you, Tricia. It simply seems to be such an obvious possibility to me and since we do not know if all other evidence has been tested or not for the new touch DNA we don't know if it would also show up elsewhere as well. (on the piece of the paintbrush used in the garrote for instance...)

 

[trixie]

There are many poeple who think as we do who are professionals such as Wendy Murphy. What do you all think the fall out of this exoneration will be for Mary Lacy? I mean does anybody have any power to do anything about what she's done here? Who does she answer to? She can't be the top of the totem pole!

 

[wenchie]

I guess the killer knew which nightgown/blanket was JonBenet's favorite, too - and that her mother would draw hearts in the palm of her hand?


This is all so maddening and absurd:

Patsy killed her daughter.........most likely, accidently....and then she staged the entire scenario and wrote the ranson note.

She didn't even do any of the searching of the house, did she? At least....not after originally doing a quick run-through.

Any mother would be pacing around that house with a fine-tooth comb....looking in every closet and corner. Patsy sat in the sun room with her friends and didn't even want to be near the phone.

Those are HUGE clues: she didn't want to be the one to find her daughter because she wanted to distance herself from the whole thing as much as possible.

And John.........if she didn't actually tell him what happened (and I don't believe that she did), he knew as soon as he read that ransom note. The two of them may not have ever discussed it til the day she died, but they both KNEW.

Everything..........every single piece of evidence and circumstance.........points to NO ONE but the Ramseys.

 

[Tricia]

Yet this perpetrator spent kind a bit of time in contact with JonBenet - even fixing her hair and changing her clothes - without leaving a speck of their own clothing fiber or one hair from their own body?


I say it's impossible.

Common sense says you are correct wenchie.

A little tidbit I learned about the case but I can't say from what source...

According to this source (not a law enforcement source but someone I would trust) there were other items of JonBenet's in the basement with her. A few of her favorite things.

I hate it when people quote sources but won't back it up by naming the source. People like that should be flogged...except me

It is someone I trust but I can't say for sure if it is true.

Now, if true, what kind of "inturder" would take the time to do this as well as everything else?

 

[BBB167893]

I've been fooled once in this case, so I won't jump on any bandwagon without good reason.

 

[Peculiar Petunia]

If this is intruder DNA, and pedophiles tend to repeat their crimes, why has there been no match, even a partial match, to CODIS patterns?

And why would DNA from saliva differ from any somatic cell DNA from the same person?

 

[angelwngs]

I am smelling a huge 'book deal" for someone who is about to go out of public office in the very near future....

(I may be sicker now than I already was...YUCK.)

 

[trixie]

Thank you, Tricia. It simply seems to be such an obvious possibility to me and since we do not know if all other evidence has been tested or not for the new touch DNA we don't know if it would also show up elsewhere as well. (on the piece of the paintbrush used in the garrote for instance...)

This is the point that pissess me off about what Mary Lacy did today. She only released publically the evidence that she needed to release to justify her exoneration of the Ramseys. She's not telling the results of any other testing and in fact said she would not discuss any further evidence. She only wants the public to know about that one speck of DNA because it justifies her actions today. To me that is crooked, shoddy politician crap. She's doing it 'cuz she can.

 

[LI_Mom]

There are many poeple who think as we do who are professionals such as Wendy Murphy. What do you all think the fall out of this exoneration will be for Mary Lacy? I mean does anybody have any power to do anything about what she's done here? Who does she answer to? She can't be the top of the totem pole!

Well what exactly does it mean if a DA wants to announce she doesn't personally believe a suspect is still a suspect?

It doesn't prevent the next DA from looking at the case differently does it?


This seems more like a favor to the Ramseys than anything the police would care about when investigating a cold case.

 

[reefshadow]

Or someone who was messing around with a golf club & hit her by accident?

I also wondered if they ever tested to see what kind of velocity they would get if they dropped that heavy Maglite from the top of the stairs & it landed on a skull?


I just have SO MUCH trouble believing the intruder theory.

Like I said I think it is possible, but very IMO improbable that Burke caused this...at least by accident. I just can't imagine staging some kind of elaborate homicide when it would be soooo much easier to simply call the ambulance! I mean think about it. Your child is obviously badly injured and you know it's an accident. *Why* in the world wouldn't you call EMT's? I don't buy the concept of parents trying to pull off this kind of hoax just to protect another child because he caused an accident. Especially when you consider that she was not killed by the blow to her head, but suffocation due to the garrote. I don't buy the theory that John or Patsy finished her off in an attempt to spare Burke. She vomited at some point during her assault and was breathing, so it would be obvious that she was still alive. The garrote would have taken some time to construct and she was strangled with it not long after the blow to her head. There was little inflammation present at the site of the fracture, blood had not penetrated her brain very deeply, and contusions were not too severe, indicating that she died fairly shortly after the fracture occurred. The head trauma was massive. I think personally that she would have died from the fracture itself in the time it would have taken for them to panic, decide what they were going to do, gather the items and put together a garrote, and strangle her with it. Really, I think whoever did this (family or otherwise) had the garrote ready and made at the time of the assault, and I can tell you for sure no little kid snapped that paintbrush and constructed that garrote, and frankly I can't imagine that would be the weapon of choice for a frantic grieving parent to stage an intruder murder. If they wanted to stage her death as an intruder murder it would make much more sense to place her in the room and let her die from her massive head injury.

If it was an intruder it wouldn't be the first time one has entered a home to kill or abduct a child and left very little evidence behind. Look at all the suspicion that was leveled against Shasta and Dylan Groene's father. If JED hadn't been caught with Shasta in his possession it is more than likely he would have gotten away scott free and we would be debating whether or not Steve Groene did it.