The Ramseys are Cleared

[angelwngs]

I've been fooled once in this case, so I won't jump on any bandwagon without good reason.

You??? Not you??? When, by whom, and how?

If you are not still screaming from the rafters, then I had better 'shut my mouth' and tuck tail and run...

 

[Skigwy]

So you think because he said "he's a pretty clean cut looking guy" that's being KIND???? I think it's just an observation. Nothing more.

You are right wasn't falsely accused but maybe John didn't want to point the finger so quickly because he didn't want to get his hopes up? Hell, I have NO idea what John was thinking. I was just trying to make a point that I don't think he was exactly KIND. That's all.

As he's refering to the deranged individual who, again, Ramsey is aware, has been fantasizing about molesting his six year old daughter, yes, that's BEING KIND.

Sure, John knows Karr didn't, but Karr is some other family's nightmare, someone else's "intruder". Yet John sympathizes with him, and yeah, compliments him.

John chooses his own words. Those I quoted were from the King interview where he imagines a 16-year old JonBenet "a handful".

But Karr's a clean cut guy.

Go figure.


There's your 'history'.

 

[LI_Mom]

This is the point that pissess me off about what Mary Lacy did today. She only released publically the evidence that she needed to release to justify her exoneration of the Ramseys. She's not telling the results of any other testing and in fact said she would not discuss any further evidence. She only wants the public to know about that one speck of DNA because it justifies her actions today. To me that is crooked, shoddy politician crap. She's doing it 'cuz she can.

ITA.

She's despicable & has as zero credibility.

Maybe she can do book tours with JMK.

 

[BBB167893]

If this is intruder DNA, and pedophiles tend to repeat their crimes, why has there been no match, even a partial match, to CODIS patterns?

That's only one of many questions.

 

[DeeDee249]

I want to see where the DNA from the panties matches the DNA on the long johns. Then I'd like to see the coroner provide DNA samples to be sure that it wasn't left by him as he undressed the body and handled the clothing.
And yes, let's apply the "touch DNA test" to the cord, tape, spoon, flashlight.

There are still a few things that should give us pause now...IMHO, PR wrote the ransom note- I've seen those exemplars. She wrote that note.
And the pineapple. Either they lied about the pineapple or they are covering for someone. For JBR to have sat and eaten the pineapple with someone- it was someone she knew. If she had snacked with her brother and the parents were unaware of it, then why wouldn't her brother say so? He is over 21 now. Old enough to know that the pineapple in his sister's stomach and the fact that his parents denied feeding it to her was a major issue in this case. However he was at age 9-10, Asbergers's or just an immanture kid, he went to college and should have the sense to speak up about it now.

Also, Lacy has "exonerated" the IMMEDIATE family. The three Rs that were in the house that night. But what about some family members that COULD have been there and have denied it? JAR? Grandpa?

And one last thing- this is Lacy- a Hunter legacy. They've been on the R side for 12 years. They threw enough roadblocks in front of this investigation from day 1 to have been charged with obstruction of justice themselves.
Remember the Karr fiasco and Lacy at that press conference?
Let's take this all with a grain of salt until that DNA actually matches a PERSON.
I think it's very telling that the ONE thing that could go a long way to solve the case: testing the garrote itself- hasn't been done.

 

[trixie]

Well what exactly does it mean if a DA wants to announce she doesn't personally believe a suspect is still a suspect?

It doesn't prevent the next DA from looking at the case differently does it?


This seems more like a favor to the Ramseys than anything the police would care about when investigating a cold case.

Well yeah that's my point, I guess.
My DH just walked in from work and I told him about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "So? Who is she to clear someone? She's going to be out of office soon and what she thinks won't matter. The next DA can re-open the case and make them suspects again if he wants. What she did today is actually only temporary."

I love my DH.

 

[angelwngs]

This is the point that pissess me off about what Mary Lacy did today. She only released publically the evidence that she needed to release to justify her exoneration of the Ramseys. She's not telling the results of any other testing and in fact said she would not discuss any further evidence. She only wants the public to know about that one speck of DNA because it justifies her actions today. To me that is crooked, shoddy politician crap. She's doing it 'cuz she can.

Two words for todays news:

Ulterior Motive....

 

[wenchie]

As he's refering to the deranged individual who, again, Ramsey is aware, has been fantasizing about molesting his six year old daughter, yes, that's BEING KIND.

Yet John sympathizes with him, and yeah, compliments him.

Isn't that something?

Some crazy guy is talking about his fantasies about Jonbenet - and John Ramsey doesn't even say that hearing about it makes him want to vomit!

 

[angelwngs]

Well yeah that's my point, I guess.
My DH just walked in from work and I told him about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "So? Who is she to clear someone? She's going to be out of office soon and what she thinks won't matter. The next DA can re-open the case and make them suspects again if he wants. What she did today is actually only temporary."

I love my DH.

It is similar to the President or a governor going out of office and pardoning a convicted felon...

It is not worth the paper it is written on...IMO

 

[Adalena935]

I guess the killer knew which nightgown/blanket was JonBenet's favorite, too - and that her mother would draw hearts in the palm of her hand?


This is all so maddening and absurd:

stalkers are that

Patsy killed her daughter.........most likely, accidently....and then she staged the entire scenario and wrote the ranson note.

She didn't even do any of the searching of the house, did she? At least....not after originally doing a quick run-through.

Any mother would be pacing around that house with a fine-tooth comb....looking in every closet and corner. Patsy sat in the sun room with her friends and didn't even want to be near the phone.

Those are HUGE clues: she didn't want to be the one to find her daughter because she wanted to distance herself from the whole thing as much as possible.

And John.........if she didn't actually tell him what happened (and I don't believe that she did), he knew as soon as he read that ransom note. The two of them may not have ever discussed it til the day she died, but they both KNEW.

Everything..........every single piece of evidence and circumstance.........points to NO ONE but the Ramseys.

 

[BBB167893]

You??? Not you??? When, by whom, and how?

If you are not still screaming from the rafters, then I had better 'shut my mouth' and tuck tail and run...

What, you didn't know I used to be pro-Ramsey? From February of '97 to summer of 2000, I was a die-hard. After that, things came apart, and I ended up on this side of it.

I just can't imagine staging some kind of elaborate homicide when it would be soooo much easier to simply call the ambulance! I mean think about it. Your child is obviously badly injured and you know it's an accident. *Why* in the world wouldn't you call EMT's? I don't buy the concept of parents trying to pull off this kind of hoax just to protect another child because he caused an accident. Especially when you consider that she was not killed by the blow to her head, but suffocation due to the garrote. I don't buy the theory that John or Patsy finished her off in an attempt to spare Burke. She vomited at some point during her assault and was breathing, so it would be obvious that she was still alive. The garrote would have taken some time to construct and she was strangled with it not long after the blow to her head. There was little inflammation present at the site of the fracture, blood had not penetrated her brain very deeply, and contusions were not too severe, indicating that she died fairly shortly after the fracture occurred. The head trauma was massive. I think personally that she would have died from the fracture itself in the time it would have taken for them to panic, decide what they were going to do, gather the items and put together a garrote, and strangle her with it. Really, I think whoever did this (family or otherwise) had the garrote ready and made at the time of the assault, and I can tell you for sure no little kid snapped that paintbrush and constructed that garrote, and frankly I can't imagine that would be the weapon of choice for a frantic grieving parent to stage an intruder murder. If they wanted to stage her death as an intruder murder it would make much more sense to place her in the room and let her die from her massive head injury.

reefshadow, I have a post elsewhere that seeks to answer your questions.

 

[Adalena935]

Well yeah that's my point, I guess.
My DH just walked in from work and I told him about it and he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "So? Who is she to clear someone? She's going to be out of office soon and what she thinks won't matter. The next DA can re-open the case and make them suspects again if he wants. What she did today is actually only temporary."

I love my DH.

The case has never been closed. The DA and the other DA's office didn't spoof the lab tests. A person would have to believe so many people in so many dif professions in so many dif agencies are all conspiring to lie about everything. ETA: And all news agencies lying with them.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16833682/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

 

[Chanler]

If this is intruder DNA, and pedophiles tend to repeat their crimes, why has there been no match, even a partial match, to CODIS patterns?

And why would DNA from saliva differ from any somatic cell DNA from the same person?

Several possible reasons: A disturbing number of pedophiles aren't caught; not all pedophile defendants or convicted pedophiles have DNA records on file; very few pedophile crime scenes are tested as thoroughly as this one; or perhaps JonBonet's killer has become especially careful (or frightened into inactivity) after being involved in the most famous child sex crime case in American history.

As to your second question, I don't know why, but chemists say that it is.

 

[SeekingJana]

YES! I've always thought so, Tricia, because of the redacted SW results. There are lines and lines of marked through items on the list which we have NEVER been privvy to knowing.

Thank you so much for clearing up what some people have tried to say were " stray pieces of paper" or " debris". I always thought the items were " comfort items" for JonBenet from her parental murderer.

Common sense says you are correct wenchie.

A little tidbit I learned about the case but I can't say from what source...

According to this source (not a law enforcement source but someone I would trust) there were other items of JonBenet's in the basement with her. A few of her favorite things.

I hate it when people quote sources but won't back it up by naming the source. People like that should be flogged...except me

It is someone I trust but I can't say for sure if it is true.

Now, if true, what kind of "inturder" would take the time to do this as well as everything else?

 

[RiverRat]

Agreed.

The Ramseys passed lie detector tests.

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0525rams1.shtml

The ones they picked and paid for while refusing the FBI's, of course.

 

[Adalena935]

A sexual sadist committed this crime. There's no shortage of them running lose in society and they aren't adverse to breaking and entering to facilitate their evil. ETA: They'll solve this crime one day and it won't be anyone ever connected to the family in any way except as to murder their child. They will have other similar crimes connected to them not unlike Joseph Duncan who murdered the Groene family, kidnapped some, let others live, and delivered one back home alive. and connected to another obscure murder far away in the middle of nowwhere. An indy driver that guy was. Who would've believed it. Yet it happened.

 

[RiverRat]

YES! I've always thought so, Tricia, because of the redacted SW results. There are lines and lines of marked through items on the list which we have NEVER been privvy to knowing.

Thank you so much for clearing up what some people have tried to say were " stray pieces of paper" or " debris". I always thought the items were " comfort items" for JonBenet from her parental murderer.

You thought correct then. :woohoo:

 

[angelwngs]

What, you didn't know I used to be pro-Ramsey? From February of '97 to summer of 2000, I was a die-hard. After that, things came apart, and I ended up on this side of it.~snip~.

Thank you for that clarification. (Putting my Super Dave designer 'rose colored glasses' firmly back into place now...with EVEN MORE respect for your opinion than before...if that is possible.)

A sincere "Thank You" for your reply.

 

[SeekingJana]

It is similar to the President or a governor going out of office and pardoning a convicted felon...

It is not worth the paper it is written on...IMO

AMEN, Sister!! Say it again and say it loudly! Her 15 minutes of fame, twice now.. First with a pedophile crazy, now with DNA evidence which most likely would not hold up in court because it has not been used in a criminal case. That's what was said about the " Touch DNA testing" on Nancy Grace tonight. Has NEVER been used in a criminal case to prove guilt.

I hope Boulder gets a competent DA next time around. If they do, it will be the first competent person in the office since JBR was murdered. THEN, we might begin to see the sealed evidence which points directly back to the parents, like Tricia's post on this thread about the personal favorite items of JBR's being found with her body. I had always suspected this was true, but the SW list had many redacted items on it..

The living Ramseys aren't off any hook, IMO. And the dead one has to face God's own justice for all eternity.
JMO.

Maria

 

[Peculiar Petunia]

Several possible reasons: A disturbing number of pedophiles aren't caught; not all pedophile defendants or convicted pedophiles have DNA records on file; very few pedophile crime scenes are tested as thoroughly as this one; or perhaps JonBonet's killer has become especially careful (or frightened into inactivity) after being involved in the most famous child sex crime case in American history.

As to your second question, I don't know why, but chemists say that it is.

Your first answer makes sense to me, that after JonBenet, the molester became inactive. I was also wondering if there was a "how can I top this" aspect to it.