The ransom note - Patsy or intruder? It's all in the detail.

[JMO8778]

The ransom note author and the two gentlemen are three individuals who represent a foreign faction....HUH?

pretty small group,isn't it? maybe one of them should have yelled "Small Foreign Factions-Unite!"

 

[JMO8778]

"Saved By The Cross," is another possibility. Generally, in most southern churches, children under the "age of accountability" would go straight to heaven being considered to be without sin.

I think the age is 12 for accountability? My mom used to try to scare us kids w. that one,that's how I remember it so well.

 

[BOESP]

I think the age is 12 for accountability? My mom used to try to scare us kids w. that one,that's how I remember it so well.

Twelve is what I've always heard in southern churches. I don't know if northern churches have the same belief or not. I don't attend church any more so maybe they don't believe that at all now days.

 

[UKGuy]

Well if she was in this state, why were virtually all the [i}s dotted correctly, but in writing samples [when calm and relaxed] they were all over the place? Remember, this included historic writing samples.

Also, it was not 'mumbo-jumbo' as such, the note contained quite a lot of stuff, that was used in various films. For example, a Star Trek film was going the rounds at that time, where not only is someone killed with a garrotte, but 'foreign faction' is refered to.

Callan

John was a star-trek fan, he had a poster up down in the basement!


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[coloradokares]

I think the age is 12 for accountability? My mom used to try to scare us kids w. that one,that's how I remember it so well.

Generally that is correct, not that you get a get out of hell card until your 12 th birthday I think accountibility starts when you know better right from wrong and that is much younger for some than others who were raised without benefit of such a christian home ultimately it is around there as the conscience takes the place Such as understanding truth vs lie etc. I am a PK can anyone tell

 

[DeeDee249]

Forgive me...what is a PK, Coloradokares?

In the Catholic church, the age of being able to distinguish right from wrong is 7 years old. Children receive their First Holy Communion at that age, which is preceded by the First Confession. It is assumed by that age, kids will know whether they have done something wrong and abstain from receiving Holy Communion until they have been given absolution for their sin. I do not believe that 7 year old kids "sin". But they do know when they have done something they shouldn't.

 

[JMO8778]

Generally that is correct, not that you get a get out of hell card until your 12 th birthday I think accountibility starts when you know better right from wrong and that is much younger for some than others who were raised without benefit of such a christian home ultimately it is around there as the conscience takes the place Such as understanding truth vs lie etc. I am a PK can anyone tell

I think so,too.
no, I didn't know you were a preacher's kid

 

[JMO8778]

Twelve is what I've always heard in southern churches. I don't know if northern churches have the same belief or not. I don't attend church any more so maybe they don't believe that at all now days.

I don't teach it to mine.It seems rather callous,IMO.at least the way it was presented to me was.I once told my parents that you shouldn't serve steak on a garbage can lid.

 

[DeeDee249]

Thanks, now I know what a PK is.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Excellent post! I want to add that IF IF it were a foreign faction....they would have "kidnapped" the SON, Burke. It is well understood that in most foreign nations, the SON is the most important member of the family in that he carries the family name. The SON is the heir apparent.

There are no 'son' rules that SSF has to abide by.

Like most sexual assaults where very young girls are the victim, the intended target was the young girl.

 

[lovebites]

What I have my doubts about is what exactly went on in that house that night - what I don't doubt is that the same hand wrote those notes.

 

[coloradokares]

Forgive me...what is a PK, Coloradokares?

In the Catholic church, the age of being able to distinguish right from wrong is 7 years old. Children receive their First Holy Communion at that age, which is preceded by the First Confession. It is assumed by that age, kids will know whether they have done something wrong and abstain from receiving Holy Communion until they have been given absolution for their sin. I do not believe that 7 year old kids "sin". But they do know when they have done something they shouldn't.

Preachers Kid LOL That would be protestant. Mom and Dad always made sure we knew about accountabililty And we were always way younger than the general thoughts on that because we were the Preachers kid and we KNEW better.

 

[Callan]

Dear Callan,





I never said she lied. I think it matters not which hand she wrote with. I do know that you said, verbatim, this:

"Patsy Ramsey was specifically asked in a police interview, whether or not she was able to write left-handed. She indicated that she was, to an extent that was better than most people. Why did she just not say no? Even the most stupid of people would know that this was leading somewhere, so if she had murdered her daughter and had written the note left-handed, all she had to say was - NO!​

How on earth is anyone going to prove otherwise? Yes, an old member of her school class said that she could, but so what? all she had to say was that she must have been mistaken, or that she was lying."​

It sounds like you are stating Patsy was ambidextrous and were using that as an argument to prove your idea. Have I misunderstood you?

I have no idea whether or not she was ambidextrous. Her housekeeper said she had seen her write with both hands. I do not know about the school mate you are referring to. It doesn't matter to me because expert QDEs could not eliminate her no matter which hand she used. That's what's important.

First of all, how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion, that I was stating that she was ambidextrous? I simply asked how anyone could prove that she could write with her left hand. If we met face to face and I asked you if you could write left-handed and you repled no, but really you could - how would I be able to prove that you lied?

With regard to the school friend, I was wrong here, it was in fact [supposedly] - a school teacher.

According to a source, this school teacher stated to them, that Patsy was ambidextrous. However, for some reason, she was never questioned by police. This was in 2001, 4 years after Patsy Ramsey had provided all her handwriting samples, including left-handed. At that time, the case virtually dominated the whole of any news programme, yet the school teacher never thought to contact police at that particular time.

According to the 'source' Patsy was interviewed by them [via a third party] stated that she was able to write with her left hand, but added hastily [interpreted by the source as being suspicious] ''but not very well''.

The name of the source? - the National Enquirer. Umm!

 

[Callan]

Callan, expert QDEs could not eliminate Patsy as the author of the ransom note. It doesn't matter what you or I say. I've looked at the on-line versions and, frankly, I don't see what you are saying about the "i's" being dotted correctly or incorrectly. In addition, for all I know John was a Treky or else Burke was so John watched Star Trek movies with him -- maybe Patsy did too. Regardless, it doesn't matter what I think. It's the expert opinion that counts ... the opinions, particularly, of non-biased examiners and not someone working for the defense.

You don't see what I am saying about the dotted {i}s ?

Listen, if you are unable to put up an arguement, just don't reply. Please don't insult my intelligence, by saying something like that. A 10 year child would get the general gist of what I have been putting across. Dear me!

 

[Callan]

Callan

John was a star-trek fan, he had a poster up down in the basement!


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A poster, deep down in a basement! That's a new slant on things.

With regard to the film in question, this had only just been released, so the only way that the Ramsey's could have watched it, is at a cinema, or possibly, they may have been able to hire the film, for watching on their personal Home Cinema System.

If they did watch it, then unless they paid cash, the checks on their financial records - would have revealed this.

 

[Solace]

First of all, how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion, that I was stating that she was ambidextrous? I simply asked how anyone could prove that she could write with her left hand. If we met face to face and I asked you if you could write left-handed and you repled no, but really you could - how would I be able to prove that you lied?

With regard to the school friend, I was wrong here, it was in fact [supposedly] - a school teacher.

According to a source, this school teacher stated to them, that Patsy was ambidextrous. However, for some reason, she was never questioned by police. This was in 2001, 4 years after Patsy Ramsey had provided all her handwriting samples, including left-handed. At that time, the case virtually dominated the whole of any news programme, yet the school teacher never thought to contact police at that particular time.

According to the 'source' Patsy was interviewed by them [via a third party] stated that she was able to write with her left hand, but added hastily [interpreted by the source as being suspicious] ''but not very well''.

The name of the source? - the National Enquirer. Umm!

The NE happened to put out one of the best books on the case - the interviews word for word of John and Patsy Ramsey. John and Patsy also gave an interview to the NE where John admits that Burke was up that morning. The NE requires three sources for everything they post. They did an excellent job on that case. Now if you want to speak about the Globe, that is a different story. Alex Hunter loved the Globe - spoke to them often. :slap:

 

[JMO8778]

There are no 'son' rules that SSF has to abide by.

Like most sexual assaults where very young girls are the victim, the intended target was the young girl.

where the victim is intended for sexual assault,yes.this was a whole different scenario that was presented...(a false one at that,IMO).SFF kidnapper pedo intruder zaps child w. stun gun and takes her from bed...ohhh..but doesn't leave with her.at some point,they even have pineapple.them wait a couple hrs.then take her to the basement,assault and kill her.
it just doesn't add up,no matter how you slice it.

 

[BOESP]

First of all, how on earth did you arrive at the conclusion, that I was stating that she was ambidextrous? I simply asked how anyone could prove that she could write with her left hand. If we met face to face and I asked you if you could write left-handed and you repled no, but really you could - how would I be able to prove that you lied?

With regard to the school friend, I was wrong here, it was in fact [supposedly] - a school teacher.

According to a source, this school teacher stated to them, that Patsy was ambidextrous. However, for some reason, she was never questioned by police. This was in 2001, 4 years after Patsy Ramsey had provided all her handwriting samples, including left-handed. At that time, the case virtually dominated the whole of any news programme, yet the school teacher never thought to contact police at that particular time.

According to the 'source' Patsy was interviewed by them [via a third party] stated that she was able to write with her left hand, but added hastily [interpreted by the source as being suspicious] ''but not very well''.

The name of the source? - the National Enquirer. Umm!

Callan,

The material in your first paragraph sounded like a preamble to saying you believed Patsy was, indeed, ambidextrous. I thought you were making a statement for or against Patsy based on that belief. I thought your question, "How on earth is anyone going to prove otherwise?" was rhetorical. Had you said, "Patsy claimed to be ambidextrous so how can we prove that?" maybe it would have been clearer to me what you were asking.

I haven't read any of the Enquirer articles so I have no comment on that.

 

[BOESP]

You don't see what I am saying about the dotted {i}s ?

Listen, if you are unable to put up an arguement, just don't reply. Please don't insult my intelligence, by saying something like that. A 10 year child would get the general gist of what I have been putting across. Dear me!

Callan, I'll respond when I please. Put me on ignore.

 

[Squishified]

You don't see what I am saying about the dotted {i}s ?

Listen, if you are unable to put up an arguement, just don't reply. Please don't insult my intelligence, by saying something like that. A 10 year child would get the general gist of what I have been putting across. Dear me!

You get more replies with honey than with vinegar!