The REAL target?

[sissi]

Who knew where the paintbrush was kept...where the knife was hidden......where the blanket and nightgown could be found?
JMO IMO

Toth,this is a fact I missed,she emptied her bladder at death near the area where the paint tote was kept?

IMO

 

[sissi]

Originally posted by Ivy
sissi, how stupid do you think the Intruder was? Do you really think he would remove JonBenet from the house, kill her, and then return her body to the house, along with a ransom note?

No,I was thinking they left the note as an actual ransom note,before taking her. It did seem to complicate the crime a bit by having her found in her own home,there was no search of vehicles,other's homes,which may have been "messy" for the killer,having her back home may have just saved the killer from ever being found.
JMO

 

[sissi]

AJT Quote:Evolution takes time. There may be many cross breeds of serial killers in this country that will not strike for years now--I do believe that some are operating right now and just have not been caught yet.

If they manage to avoid discovery until late in age,could they
stop killing? Could a life/death event of their own push them for
one more kill,even if they are now considered "aged".?

 

[tipper]

For what it's worth- The only numbers I've ever heard about serial killers is that there are approximately 100 operating in the country at any given time. Of course that was 10 or so years ago so the number may have risen.

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by sissi
Who knew where the paintbrush was kept...where the knife was hidden......where the blanket and nightgown could be found?
Toth,this is a fact I missed,she emptied her bladder at death near the area where the paint tote was kept?

There is no indication that the intruder would have had to have known where the Artist's Tote-Box was located or what was in it. He merely rummaged around and found something he felt would be suitable.
Yes, place of death was NOT the wine cellar but was where the urine was voided since usually the bladder empties at death.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Toth
I've often thought that the molestation was so minimal in comparison to all the time and effort devoted to extraneous matters that the real target of the crime was the parents.

I would like to compare JBR and Dru Sjodin.

Sure ... LOTS of differences: age, geography, etc.

Dru Sjodin was attacked in a mall's parking lot in Grand Forks, ND as she left work, her attacker arrived home three hours later. Its clear he had the knife in his hand at the mall and used it to inflict some sort of wound, then he took her somewhere fairly nearby raped her, killed her and disposed of the corpse and then drove home.

No note, no weird bindings, no ineffective duct tape, no extraneous matters. Clearly a sexual assault. No one is going to say the parents were involved or that Dru Sjodin was involved in .

This is how a pervert operates.

In the JBR case the molestation is similar to a 'hesitatiion wound' inflicted by a knife, it represents doubt and insufficiency.

The murder of JonBenet Ramsey was not a sex crime; it was done to satisfy the intruder's perverted lust, it was done to inflict torment on the parents.

:nono: :dontknow: HUH?; effort devoted to extraneous matters (as you posted above) I'm not sure I follow...diff chapter/page maybe ? ... ?...When/Where=JonBenet?

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by K777angel
First of all I take exception to describing John Ramsey as "highly moral." In my book - and God's - committing adultery is far from being "highly moral." And having 3 young children on top of it puts John Ramsey in a category of the unethical and IMmoral.
He destroyed a family and created a broken home. That is a fact.
So scratch that title off the John Ramsey list.

There is NO EVIDENCE that a "demented pedophile" killed JoBenet Ramsey.
There IS evidence that a close family member did and it was staged and covered up. Not very well though.

You can claim till the cows come home Toth all kinds of glowing things about the Ramseys. Doesn't make it true.
First of all - how in the **ll do YOU even know that they were "loving parents"? They may have just been indulging parents mistaking their indulgence in part, for love. The pageants are a perfect example. (And of course they probably loved their children, but for you to continue to make intimate descriptions of the Ramseys as if YOU lived there and it is fact, - well it raises suspicions.)

It's very easy to claim some "pedophile" killed JonBenet.
Truth is that pedophiles - David Westerfield is a perfect example - abduct their target and get the heck out of there so they can do their nasty business.
The child was not taken away and the killer told the parents he wanted money.
Like the criminal experts have said - kidnappers and sex criminals do not mix. They are two different breeds and their motivations and goals are totally different.
That's the mistake the Ramseys made in writing that note.
Hoping the sexual molestation of JonBenet was ALSO "hidden" - the wiping down and pants pulled back up - they relied on the kidnapping angle.
Too bad they didn't bank on the autopsy revealing what REALLY happened that night.
Otherwise they may not have ever written that note.

;
Ditto!; totally agree!!! ... what were the R's "thinking" (if any "thinking" was goiing-on!!!)
:dontknow: :evil: :nono:

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by sissi
AJT Quote:Evolution takes time. There may be many cross breeds of serial killers in this country that will not strike for years now--I do believe that some are operating right now and just have not been caught yet.

If they manage to avoid discovery until late in age,could they
stop killing? Could a life/death event of their own push them for
one more kill,even if they are now considered "aged".?

Yes, the numbers have to be alot higher than that. I read that in 1980, the FBI estimated around 500 serial offenders could be operating--which doesn't necassarily mean that they are actually killing people at that time. That means there are some trolling, and in their cocoon stage.

In response to your question, Albert Fish was arrested when he was around 80 I believe for the murder, rape, cannabalism of an 8 year old girl named Grace Budd. (He was 80 when he was killed her) Serial murder may not involve sex as we know it, but it is a sexual crime. I guess the only answer could be, do most aged people you know still have sexual thoughts and longings? The serial murderer cannot stop himself, it is an appetite for him-a sexual release. Most humans cannot ignore that. Sorry that is the best way I know how to expalin it. But, no, these men don't stop themselves because the act of torture, rape and murder are ingrained in the psyches to a point that they feel they need it just as you and I need that new dress in the mall---or even we need food to eat.

 

[TLynn]

Static cling from the nightgown - from the blanket within the dryer. Who knew her blanket was in the basement dryer...

And ya'll can theorize as much as you want, but no one can explain the pineapple with an intruder.

There is too much personal evidence pointing to the Ramseys in a cover-up.

 

[Imon128]

That dang blanket....it's really out of place for an intruder. What would have been the purpose, in the dryer, or not? Distancing? Comfort for a loved one who the perp didn't intend to kill? Comfort for the perp? Hmmm.

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Imon128
That dang blanket....it's really out of place for an intruder. What would have been the purpose, in the dryer, or not? Distancing? Comfort for a loved one who the perp didn't intend to kill? Comfort for the perp? Hmmm.

Or maybe coverage for the person trying to get her out of the house?

Considering the fact that she was wrapped haphazardly with both arms sticking out combined with the fact that I don't know of any parents who kill that have 'discovered' the body before. This does not mean it does not exsist. That just never happens. If anyone can find evidence to the contrary, please share.

Also, the pineapple.....why wouldn't both just lie and fabricate an intricate story to go with that? It could have been easily explained. Why deny any connection at all?

 

[Maxi]

But neither has there ever been a body and a note demanding ransom for the victim found in the same home. Nor have we been able to find a case in the U.S. which someone not related to the family sexually abused and killed a child as vengence against a parent This is indeed a unique case.

 

[Imon128]

Originally posted by ajt400
Or maybe coverage for the person trying to get her out of the house?

Considering the fact that she was wrapped haphazardly with both arms sticking out combined with the fact that I don't know of any parents who kill that have 'discovered' the body before. This does not mean it does not exsist. That just never happens. If anyone can find evidence to the contrary, please share.

Also, the pineapple.....why wouldn't both just lie and fabricate an intricate story to go with that? It could have been easily explained. Why deny any connection at all?

JB wasn't covered haphazerdly. She was wrapped papoose like and I can't see somebody using a white blanket (bright) to disguise JB's transporting out of the house. The suitcase would have drawn less attention, IMO.

 

[eliza]

Originally posted by ajt400
Or maybe coverage for the person trying to get her out of the house?

Considering the fact that she was wrapped haphazardly with both arms sticking out combined with the fact that I don't know of any parents who kill that have 'discovered' the body before. This does not mean it does not exsist. That just never happens. If anyone can find evidence to the contrary, please share.

Also, the pineapple.....why wouldn't both just lie and fabricate an intricate story to go with that? It could have been easily explained. Why deny any connection at all?

Good point ajt400 about the pineapple, it would have been easy for the Ramseys to work in a snack of pineapple before bed into their story. The only trouble is the Ramseys must not have known about the pineapple, maybe Burke is the only one who knew and neglected to tell this before the cover-up began. A little info I bet the Ramseys would have loved to known prior to the cover-up.

 

[Imon128]

Or John, if he was molesting JB, and used it to lure her. Or, JAR, might have had the same knowledge and used it to lure JB.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by ajt400
Also, the pineapple.....why wouldn't both just lie and fabricate an intricate story to go with that? It could have been easily explained. Why deny any connection at all?

Part of the coverup involves "distancing" Burke from JonBenet. The Ramsey's want everyone to believe that the last time Burke had any contact with JonBenet was at the White's party. Supposedly she fell asleep in the car, and Burke didn't get out of bed in the morning.
However, we know from Burke's own statement that she wasn't asleep when they got home, she walked in on her own. The pineapple which she ate after they arrived home proves that.
And now we know by listening to the edited 911 call that has been released with Patsy's cries of "help me Jesus" that it's a very safe bet Burke's voice is also on it just as described. So he WAS up in the morning and they lied about that too.

Why are they trying to distance Burke from his sister?--You figure it out.

 

[Toth]

we know from Burke's own statement that she wasn't asleep when they got home, she walked in on her own.

That is absurd. He was nine years old, he was questioned on that point by the cop and admitted that JonBenet was asleep and was carried up the stairs.

 

[ajt400]

I think the distancing you speak of may just be the protection from the media, etc. I mean, that is quite a traumatic experience for someone his age--his sister being murdered and all in the house!

 

[Nehemiah]

I think the distancing is very important. Jayelles has said before that perhaps the Rs just didn't want Burke to be seen as involved in any way, therefore, they distanced him from the happenings. I can go with that, too, as it could just be a safety net that they have seemingly constructed around him. For whatever reason, it appears there is distancing, which is suspect in most peoples' eyes.

Had the Rs not done that, and had they from the very beginning jumped in and availed themselves to the investigation of themselves, they would possibly be either totally exonerated, or in jail.

 

[ajt400]

Who here would throw their child to the wolves in this situation? I could see maybe if the had offered him up on a silver platter.

How many times was Burke interrogated? Is it illegal in Colorado to interrogate a minor without parental consent?