The REAL target?

[Toth]

Originally posted by ajt400
How many times was Burke interrogated? Is it illegal in Colorado to interrogate a minor without parental consent?

Several times. Often without a parent being present despite the officer knowing that was illegal. Once without a social worker or parent being present.

 

[Imon128]

As I recall, Burke was talked to the day of the killing, and once where Patsy took him to the meeting place, and was it again later with parental knowledge? The point I'm trying to make is that it wasn't 'several' times, IMO.

I have no problem with LE talking to Burke the day of the killing, since John rushed the child away from LE who wanted to talk to Burke at their home. John told them that Burke didn't know anything, that he'd slept all night (words to that effect). IMO, John should have just let Burke talk to LE right then and there.

 

[ajt400]

To my knowledge, Imon, he was talked to twice (which isn't several, but what the hey, it's more than once) and both times he was talked to without parental consent. (This is according to the R's, they didn't even know that Burke had been interviewed because I believe it happened at the White's)

Is it illegal to interview a child without parental consent? (This statement is also according to the R's)

 

[Imon128]

Do you know where the second time took place, without his parents knowing?

I believe that one time Patsy took Burke to the meeting place, however, she had to wait outside the room. I guess that makes me think that Patsy and John gave consent.

 

[Maxi]

My recollection is that the police officer who accompanied Burke to the White's on Dec. 26 asked him a few questions. After that, I don't think he was questioned until the one official interview with all the special accomodations.

No one has to talk to the police. It takes a grand jury subpoena to force someone to talk to the police. I think it is a requirement that a parent either be present or waive the right to be present when a minor is questioned in Colorado. We don't have that protection here in Virginia.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Toth
That is absurd. He was nine years old, he was questioned on that point by the cop and admitted that JonBenet was asleep and was carried up the stairs.

What's your source for THAT baloney Toth, the Swamp again?...You know better than to post that crap here.

"He (Burke) said that his sister fell asleep on the way home, but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and went up the spiral staircase to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference than the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed." [IRMI p317]

That interview with Burke happens to be on video tape.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by ajt400
I think the distancing you speak of may just be the protection from the media, etc. I mean, that is quite a traumatic experience for someone his age--his sister being murdered and all in the house!

OK ajt400, then ask yourself this. If the Ramseys weren't involved in the crime, how would they have known Burke knew nothing? Maybe he heard something important in the middle of the night. Maybe he got up and peeked out his bedroom and saw something.
If your child was murdered by a (real) intruder, wouldn't you ask your other child if he had heard something? Wouldn't you think that LE should also be asking that question?

I'll bet you lots of money that the Van Damms didn't have any problem whatsoever with LE asking their younger boys questions. But then, they were innocent and had had nothing to hide--makes a difference, don't it.

 

[ajt400]

Probably not unless I knew they were already focusing the investigation on me and my husband only a few hours after the murder. I would allow the police to talk to my child in that instance, but I do think they should ask permission from the parents--especially if it is a minor and especially if it is illegal.

Then again, I don't know that it is illegal.....

 

[Ivy]

Not only were the Ramseys furious when they learned Burke had been questioned by LE when he was the Whites', Patsy wept uncontrollably while Burke was being interviewed by the psychologist. This interview was quite a while after JonBenet's death, so instead of crying over JonBenet, I think Patsy was crying because she was desperately afraid that Burke would flub up and implicate himself as the killer.

I think it's very odd that the Rs were angry when they found out about LE questioning Burke at the Whites'...unless the Rs were afraid of what he may have divulged. If I were an innocent parent of a murdered girl, I would have been glad that LE questioned my son, even if I hadn't authorized it.

 

[eliza]

Originally posted by Ivy
Not only were the Ramseys furious when they learned Burke had been questioned by LE when he was the Whites', Patsy wept uncontrollably while Burke was being interviewed by the psychologist. This interview was quite a while after JonBenet's death, so instead of crying over JonBenet, I think Patsy was crying because she was desperately afraid that Burke would flub up and implicate himself as the killer.

I think it's very odd that the Rs were angry when they found out about LE questioning Burke at the Whites'...unless the Rs were afraid of what he may have divulged. If I were an innocent parent of a murdered girl, I would have been glad that LE questioned my son, even if I hadn't authorized it.

Right on Ivy! It seems to me you have the Ramseys on one hand that can't even wake a sleeping child up when their daughter is missing to see if he heard or seen anything and on the other hand there seems to be criticism of LE in questioning that same child if he seen or heard anything. It appears to me one was more interested in finding out what happened to JBR than the other.

 

[Imon128]

It's unfathonable to me, that the R's didn't awaken Burke to find some info, much less that they didn't after Burke was known to be awake. Super suspicious.

 

[Nehemiah]

More distancing, it seems. I agree that it seems appropriate to find out if Burke heard or saw anything in the night that might point to an intruder. I don't see this as throwing him to the wolves at all; it would be considered by most as normal behavior to extensively question anyone in the house during the course of a murder. If someone had broken into the home, Burke may have that one clue that could have helped them determine who the intruder was. I see the distancing as a red flag.

 

[Toth]

>It's unfathonable to me, that the R's didn't
>awaken Burke to find some info,
Such as height, weight and clothing worn by the intruder?
What do think Burke did? Wake up, see an intruder carrying off his sister and then turn over and go back to sleep??
If he had awakened after hearing a scream and saw an intruder, he might have foolishly attacked the intruder or more wisely ran to his parents room, but he was going to just go back to sleep. He had no information to offer.

>much less that they didn't after Burke was known
>to be awake. Super suspicious.
Not at all!! The commotion caused by Patsy's screaming and her running about, John's yell to call 911, Patsy's frantic call with that dumb operator, etc. awakened him and I guess he just felt like pretending to be asleep. If he were 29 or 19, I would be suspicious, but at 9, I'm not at all suspicious.

 

[Nehemiah]

Elizabeth Smart's younger sister had information when Elizabeth was abducted. What if the Smarts had distanced her from that crime?

 

[Toth]

Same bed, same room, actually awake, percipient witness.

 

[Maxi]

Here are a few things I would have asked Burke as soon as I realized JBR was missing:

Have you noticed any strange people or cars near the house?

Has anyone you don't know tried to talk to JBR recently?

Has anyone been paying more attention to her than usual?

Has JBR said anything to you that sounds weird when you think about it?

Did you hear any noises in the night?

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Toth
>It's unfathonable to me, that the R's didn't
>awaken Burke to find some info,
Such as height, weight and clothing worn by the intruder?
What do think Burke did? Wake up, see an intruder carrying off his sister and then turn over and go back to sleep??
If he had awakened after hearing a scream and saw an intruder, he might have foolishly attacked the intruder or more wisely ran to his parents room, but he was going to just go back to sleep. He had no information to offer.

>much less that they didn't after Burke was known
>to be awake. Super suspicious.
Not at all!! The commotion caused by Patsy's screaming and her running about, John's yell to call 911, Patsy's frantic call with that dumb operator, etc. awakened him and I guess he just felt like pretending to be asleep. If he were 29 or 19, I would be suspicious, but at 9, I'm not at all suspicious.

:dontknow: Hum...what if the Intruder/Monster is your FATHER (Burke)?...???

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
Who here would throw their child to the wolves in this situation? I could see maybe if the had offered him up on a silver platter.

How many times was Burke interrogated? Is it illegal in Colorado to interrogate a minor without parental consent?

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
Who here would throw their child to the wolves in this situation? I could see maybe if the had offered him up on a silver platter.

How many times was Burke interrogated? Is it illegal in Colorado to interrogate a minor without parental consent?

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
Who here would throw their child to the wolves in this situation? I could see maybe if the had offered him up on a silver platter.

How many times was Burke interrogated? Is it illegal in Colorado to interrogate a minor without parental consent?

Yup;IT'S ILLEGAL TO MOLEST/KILL A DAUTHER TOO!!! :dontknow: