The Remains Discovery "Daisy Chain"

[kathryann]

IMO I just don't think Casey Anthony is this intelligent.

 

[JWG]

The key piece of the above puzzle is confirming or denying a link between the neighbors and the MR. The "supervisor as neighbor" is one possible link. Another possible link is "MR chats up neighbor". But a link needs to exist for the above theory to make sense.

If you believe LP, or some of what LP says, he just tossed out the first name of the meter reader supervisor's name and said he lived on Hopespring and is a neighbor of the Anthony's.

Looking at the Orange County Property Appraiser's website, there is a neighbor with this first name on Hopespring living less than 6 houses away from the Anthony's.

This person also live across the street from Kiomarie's father.

 

[JWG]

FWIW, there is a second neighbor with the same first name who lives across the street from the two properties that border the remains location. I am betting, however, that the first neighbor I noted - the one who lives across the street from Kio Marie's father, is the one referred to by LP.

 

[yolorado]

Personally, I think KC told someone. This is right about the time the Anthony's deteriorated. My theory was that happened because they'd been made aware of a plea bargain in the works whereby Casey would lead LE to a body. She may or may not have claimed an accident, but this was a moment of the truth where they realized Caylee was gone...or at least some of them did. So, the PR went looking based on what she'd told someone, either hoping to facilitate the plea or to prove/disprove the story Casey was somehow getting out. We don't believe KC. It's possible (and reasonable) the A's don't either. We know Cindy wouldn't have wanted to. Perhaps when a body wasn't found, Cindy once again began clinging to false hopes and booked Larry King, dragging George along in tow. You propose some fascinating theories on how Kronk COULD have gotten back into the area. Who knows, but I do think the A's (or the defense) WAS looking for the body because they had some reason to think one might be where Caylee was eventually found. This case is so weird.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I still think, and most likely will never be able to prove .......... that there was a Daisy Chain of information for the sole purpose of having someone "discover" Caylee. I DO NOT think anyone involved in a potential Daisy Chain was the murderer of Caylee. So far, nothing makes me think that is anyone but the spiteful B herself.
However, since I have seen this brought up in a few threads I thought I would see who wants to discuss this again or for the first time. Here is a link to my googledoc that I created awhile back. If anyone finds anything that is missing or should be added - email me and I will do it!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

 

[Beatrice]

Casey.....Kio Marie....A friend.....Roy Kronk's girlfriend...Roy Kronk....

 

[superboo]

link is not working

 

[RR0004]

I still think, and most likely will never be able to prove .......... that there was a Daisy Chain of information for the sole purpose of having someone "discover" Caylee. I DO NOT think anyone involved in a potential Daisy Chain was the murderer of Caylee. So far, nothing makes me think that is anyone but the spiteful B herself.
However, since I have seen this brought up in a few threads I thought I would see who wants to discuss this again or for the first time. Here is a link to my googledoc that I created awhile back. If anyone finds anything that is missing or should be added - email me and I will do it!
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQ...a2hxbWYz&hl=en

This is the only problem I really had with Kronk's story after finding Caylee. I don't like coincidences. The biggest one being that the As were away on the other side of the country. Ok...I have two problems. The dinner at the Ritz...something's just not right about that.

PS- seeing how so much of this daisy chain talk was initiated by LP...how does it fit in with what TP told us...that his uncle talks to Baez on a regular basis? And what was that "big news to be revealed" all about? Could it have something to do with DC?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Try this:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

 

[RR0004]

Try this:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

My, oh my, you have been busy!

 

[A_News_Junkie]

My, oh my, you have been busy!

HEHE - Thanks, I did that awhile ago and now that I found this thread and belong here - I need to read back on all the good ideas you all had too!

First post has me already wondering if we know for sure if (and who) the supervisor in A's neighborhood was. Anyone?

Next question I have to find is: Date Brian B. told LE about the shovel. (This could be no more than a neighborhood chatter chain that was directed by the supervisor because of Brian B and Kio's statements. However, what doesn't add up is why not just say the supervisor told me about the neighborhood chatter and asked if I would take that route and check it out?)

Was the 11th the day for the meters to be read in that neighborhood - like same day each month?

Back to reading to see what other answers and questions that sparks!

 

[RR0004]

HEHE - Thanks, I did that awhile ago and now that I found this thread and belong here - I need to read back on all the good ideas you all had too!

First post has me already wondering if we know for sure if (and who) the supervisor in A's neighborhood was. Anyone?

Next question I have to find is: Date Brian B. told LE about the shovel. (This could be no more than a neighborhood chatter chain that was directed by the supervisor because of Brian B and Kio's statements. However, what doesn't add up is why not just say the supervisor told me about the neighborhood chatter and asked if I would take that route and check it out?)

Was the 11th the day for the meters to be read in that neighborhood - like same day each month?

Back to reading to see what other answers and questions that sparks!

I think...now don't quote me on this...that the supervisor story was a "myth". Anyone?

And welcome...thanks for all your hard work!

 

[cecybeans]

Try this:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

Excellent work! Especially the contractual dates DC signs on with various players.

I would suggest including the incident of the little girl photographed at the mall. IIRC, it coincided with DC's second search on Sunday 11-16. A few days later, CA and GA had the presser with MB where they downplay the fact it might be Caylee and in which CA looks positively medicated while GA fields most of the questions. I'm not sure if that was the 18th or not, but I think it was before MN formally quit. I just can't help think all of those events are correlated and significant in some way.

Also, do we know when that pic of LA and DC walking together was taken? If they had any conversations before or after DC meeting with KC in jail - there might have been important info transferred or discussed.

 

[christee]

I don't know yet if I buy the connection between Lee and the neighbor.

But something I remembered after reading your thoughts is that MR called his supervisor before calling the police after he made the final discovery.

Hello? Who would do that?

To me it gives credence to him being directed by his supervisor to do the search.

IMO, the supervisor, if a neighbor of the Anthonys or not, could have directed MR on his own hunch. Completely plausible.

BBM in red
And if the MR was directed by the Supervisor, then it's possible the SV was "directed", or guided by the A's?
Could someone help me out by refreshing my memory abt statements from the Supervisor?
TIA

 

[RR0004]

BBM in red
And if the MR was directed by the Supervisor, then it's possible the SV was "directed", or guided by the A's?
Could someone help me out by refreshing my memory abt statements from the Supervisor?
TIA

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RK's supervior didn't live on Hopespring.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Excellent work! Especially the contractual dates DC signs on with various players.

I would suggest including the incident of the little girl photographed at the mall. IIRC, it coincided with DC's second search on Sunday 11-16. A few days later, CA and GA had the presser with MB where they downplay the fact it might be Caylee and in which CA looks positively medicated while GA fields most of the questions. I'm not sure if that was the 18th or not, but I think it was before MN formally quit. I just can't help think all of those events are correlated and significant in some way.
Also, do we know when that pic of LA and DC walking together was taken? If they had any conversations before or after DC meeting with KC in jail - there might have been important info transferred or discussed.

BBM
Yep, Nov. 2008 was a very busy month. So many things were happening, I think you're right.

Larry Garrison, G&C's first spokesperson, either quit or was fired depending on who you ask. He turned over emails to LE about CA intentionally misleading LE. Mark Nejame, G&C's first attorney, quit. Dom Casey and Jim Hoover went walking on Surburban Drive. Michele Bart held the press conference where CA couldn't even talk (a first for her). Sean Krause and Kathi Belich recieved emails from CA that Cindy claimed she didn't send and that her email account was hacked. LP searched J.B. Park.

So many strange happenings in Nov. 08. I think if someone could make sense of that month, they would have all the answers.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Excellent work! Especially the contractual dates DC signs on with various players.

I would suggest including the incident of the little girl photographed at the mall. IIRC, it coincided with DC's second search on Sunday 11-16. A few days later, CA and GA had the presser with MB where they downplay the fact it might be Caylee and in which CA looks positively medicated while GA fields most of the questions. I'm not sure if that was the 18th or not, but I think it was before MN formally quit. I just can't help think all of those events are correlated and significant in some way.

Also, do we know when that pic of LA and DC walking together was taken? If they had any conversations before or after DC meeting with KC in jail - there might have been important info transferred or discussed.

BBM.

This from WFTV on the picture of Lee and Dominic at the courthouse together.

"Eyewitness News watched the video with Lee Anthony's attorney, Tom Luka (watch interview). The video shows the Anthony family's private eye, Dominic Casey, prodding and poking the ground at the crime scene and on the cell phone with someone."

"Is it Lee?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked Luka on Monday."

"No, not that I know of. He denied ever talking to him," he said.

But Eyewitness News uncovered video of Lee Anthony and Dominic Casey at the jail together right after Lee's sister Casey was arrested there. So, Kathi Belich asked again."

"Is it Lee on the phone with Dominic Casey?" Belich asked Luka.

"As far as I know, as far as my client is concerned, it's not him on the phone on November 15th 2008," Luka said.

"Could it be somebody who Lee spoke with who then went to Dominic Casey and provided information?" Belich asked."

"In the realm of speculation, it could've been anyone," Luka said.

"Even though last week Eyewitness News heard that only Dominic Casey's colleague, private eye Jim Hoover who shot it, had a copy of the videotape at the scene where Caylee's remains were found almost a month later, Luka said he saw it last week and talked to Dominic Casey about it. Then he backtracked."

"How did you see it last week? Who showed it to you last week?" Belich asked Luka."

"Well, I take that back," Luka said. "I was not shown it. When it was on TV I saw it."

"Well, it wasn't on TV until last night," Belich told Luka."

"Well, I take that back. I did not see it. Did I see it? No, I did not see that video. I take that back. That was not the video I saw," he said."

http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html

Here's a WFTV video where the pic of Lee and Dominic is shown and may be talked about. I am unable to play the video on my computer, don't know why, the pic is shown at the very beginning.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18465074/index.html

Sorry if the above article was too long, but I had forgotten that Lee's attorney claims to see video of PI's before it's been released.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Seriously,

"familiar place" and "lower left" I have felt all along was her way of trying to tell LA where Caylee was located. "lower left" of the back yard, is one I hadn't thought of, good thought.
"lower left" tip of retention pond, "lower left" corner of woods, "lower left" from" Zone" hangout. sorry, I could go on and on...driving myself (insert squirrel joke) nuts.

JWG thank you for posting this thread, very interesting theory. :blowkiss:

I will look tomorrow when I have more time, but does anyone have links to these phases handy? "familiar place" and the "Lower left"

Also, if you have not seen the posts by: JWG and Weffy on first page of this thread, I highly recommend it! I was going to bump them, but I will link the page for space: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77741&page=3

Also, the sister pyschic' ( http://suzannevincent.com/CAYLEE___CHRISTINE.html ) and Gail St. John and co : ( http://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/blinddrive.htm ) has always struck me odd. If you study Gail's video, IMHO at one point she was on the street driving and pauses in the location or very close to it. She doesn't exit the car at that point, but it was all as if she knew where she was going in general. Even her picking the direction to turn, etc. JMHO but staged feeling to me.

I think if someone was sending the secret searchers to this area - they wanted Baby Caylee found before the hurricane, then when that failed had no choice but to wait as how could they explain doing a dive? They would have had to keep this secret to avoid obstruction of justice charges and the family were all worried about charges at one time. They have their use immunity that covers their depo's and what they say at trial, but I pray every night that LE has other information to back up charges on them after the murder trial. Yes, IMHO I do think that someone in the family if not all three knew and obstructed to a degree.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Excellent work! Especially the contractual dates DC signs on with various players.

I would suggest including the incident of the little girl photographed at the mall. IIRC, it coincided with DC's second search on Sunday 11-16. A few days later, CA and GA had the presser with MB where they downplay the fact it might be Caylee and in which CA looks positively medicated while GA fields most of the questions. I'm not sure if that was the 18th or not, but I think it was before MN formally quit. I just can't help think all of those events are correlated and significant in some way.

Also, do we know when that pic of LA and DC walking together was taken? If they had any conversations before or after DC meeting with KC in jail - there might have been important info transferred or discussed.

Let me see if I can find those dates tomorrow too. If anyone finds them, it appears I have PM privileges here now - so pm them to me if you can!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Try this:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en

Wow, that's really great work News ! Wonderful timeline !

There's just too much going on in November !