The Remains Site-Revisited

[notthatsmart]

It is my opinion that the skull slowly began to detach itself from the main part of the body as it decomposed. The chin area must be heavier than the top area for the skull to rotate in this direction. Also animals could have bumped it or tore at it to put it in this position.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77477&highlight=Crime+Scene+Photos&page=32

I was looking at the Crime Scene Photo thread when I saw Bond's post No. 786. I think I see photos mixed in with the leaves in that picture. Can a photograph survive the elements for several months and retain an image?

Sorry to burst into the thread - I'll read it now.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77477&highlight=Crime+Scene+Photos&page=22

Also, I came across an old post that offers info about how the skull with hair looked upon discovery.
Post 540.

 

[jade78]

I think since Caylee was wearing a pull up it saved the shorts from some of the purging fluids.

Actually since my daughter wears pullups I can tell you the most fluid these retain is say 1/2 cup of urine before leaking.
Pull ups are not meant to retain much of anything let alone PURGING FLUIDS.

 

[BeanE]

The entomologist indicated that he had to tear the skull from the roots on the ground indicating that the skull did not drop out of the bag.

Hi, notthatsmart. I'm looking in this document and don't see anything indicating that:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/12/01/forensic.entemology.pdf

Am I in the right document? Can you point me to what you're referring to as tearing the skull from the roots on the ground?

Thanks!
BeanE

 

[BeanE]

Actually since my daughter wears pullups I can tell you the most fluid these retain is say 1/2 cup of urine before leaking.
Pull ups are not meant to retain much of anything let alone PURGING FLUIDS.

Perhaps that's why the poster you responded to stated "some"?

 

[LambChop]

Hi, notthatsmart. I'm looking in this document and don't see anything indicating that:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/12/01/forensic.entemology.pdf

Am I in the right document? Can you point me to what you're referring to as tearing the skull from the roots on the ground?

Thanks!
BeanE

Good find, BeanE. On page 24 it also states that what was found with the remains was consistent with being in the trunk of the car during early stages of decomposition.

 

[Harmony 2]

Good find, BeanE. On page 24 it also states that what was found with the remains was consistent with being in the trunk of the car during early stages of decomposition.

Good catch! I had not noted that info!!

 

[The World According]

The first time I heard that...it stopped me dead in my tracks...her little body was triple bagged and thrown to the side of the road like trash. :furious:

 

[Eidetic]

I know that they had the blue canopy over the remains when they were processing the site and it was tilted at a good 30+ degree angle.

I am not so sure seeing the remains site for real, after the fact is too helpful because they dragged a lot of vegetation and soil out for processing and then dumped it back.

Well said :clap:

Here is a good picture, some of the ones taken from Suburban can be disorienting

Imagine the thick, vine like weeds that had weaved through the floor of the forest, added to mucky water and tiny bones. :banghead:
As pointed out in another thread floating around here, bones aren't always sparkling white, especially recently deceased and the conditions Caylee was exposed to.

For anyone questioning whether or not the remains were even under water, I hope this helps satisfy your inquiry. You can see the earth is still very damp.

 

[Eidetic]

silly question

do jaw bones normally fall off skulls? i've only seen them on tv and they all seem to be pretty much attached. just curious

The ones you've see on TV, as well as educational skeletons hanging in classrooms, are held together with wire. The ones that aren't, you will see how carefully the skull is handled with both hands because it is in two pieces.

Being prepared for the wake at the funeral home, the decedents jaw is wired shut. If it wasn't, with the relaxed jaw, the mouth would hang open.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Well said :clap:

Here is a good picture, some of the ones taken from Suburban can be disorienting

Imagine the thick, vine like weeds that had weaved through the floor of the forest, added to mucky water and tiny bones. :banghead:
As pointed out in another thread floating around here, bones aren't always sparkling white, especially recently deceased and the conditions Caylee was exposed to.

For anyone questioning whether or not the remains were even under water, I hope this helps satisfy your inquiry. You can see the earth is still very damp.

I was reading back thru posts and found this one that you posted. I don't remember seeing this. Thank you for posting this, it really shows how the gound slopes from this angle.

 

[Anais]

Well said :clap:

Here is a good picture, some of the ones taken from Suburban can be disorienting

Imagine the thick, vine like weeds that had weaved through the floor of the forest, added to mucky water and tiny bones. :banghead:
As pointed out in another thread floating around here, bones aren't always sparkling white, especially recently deceased and the conditions Caylee was exposed to.

For anyone questioning whether or not the remains were even under water, I hope this helps satisfy your inquiry. You can see the earth is still very damp.

Thank you I haven't seen this before. Also your post is excellent thanks so much! It pains me so much as to how Caylee was treated even after her demise. It literally makes my heart hurt for her.

 

[wenwe4]

She was so close to the road . . . . and nobody could find her in all of those months. Poor baby just had to wait for the waters to recede. School must have been out those first couple of weeks, as no one seemed to notice the smell to alert authorities. It is highly doubtful anyone could have seen the bags, but the smell would have been unmistakable.

 

[Anais]

She was so close to the road . . . . and nobody could find her in all of those months. Poor baby just had to wait for the waters to recede. School must have been out those first couple of weeks, as no one seemed to notice the smell to alert authorities. It is highly doubtful anyone could have seen the bags, but the smell would have been unmistakable.

The only clues IMO were Casey repeatedly stating, she's close, I can feel it, and when she had her atty.'s attempt special private searching permissions from Judge Strickland. My hinky meter went way up there then!

It is so awful the way she was tossed away in trash bags so close to the only home she'd ever known. I still find it rather shocking!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

The entomologist indicated that he had to tear the skull from the roots on the ground indicating that the skull did not drop out of the bag. I think that would also indicate that the skull was not floating around.

Furthermore the skull was found at the top just south of the arm bones and leg bones indicating that was the original site of decomp. I don't think anything floated around. Not sure it was ever under water.

BBM

The original site of decomp. was the trunk. OT, I'll have to try and remember this thread the next time somebody tries to argue that the body was put there after October 14.

 

[seagull65]

I've always wondered how the skull got into such an upright position as it reportedly was. Unless Caylee's head was leaned up against the log or something when she was placed there, but I don't remember reading anything to that effect.

Thanks for reviving the old thread. I was looking at the pictures again yesterday for the first time in a long time. I still wonder if they got any prints off the Kindercare sign, etc.

 

[logicalgirl]

I've always wondered how the skull got into such an upright position as it reportedly was. Unless Caylee's head was leaned up against the log or something when she was placed there, but I don't remember reading anything to that effect.

Thanks for reviving the old thread. I was looking at the pictures again yesterday for the first time in a long time. I still wonder if they got any prints off the Kindercare sign, etc.

It could have been something as simple as uneven plant growth on it, in it, or underneath it slowly moved it upright as the rest of the body disintegrated or was pulled apart by scavengers.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I don't know how much a child's skull actually weighs, but if it's in the neighborhood of a pound or two, I suspect ANYTHING could account for its position, or change thereof. Although the water was standing (as opposed to a flowing stream or babbling brook), it came and it left, it was blown by hurricane force, and it that implies movement. Water is very strong, it has an incredible power to sway and move and dislodge items. Water, wind, animals, more water, more animals...

 

[seagull65]

Sorry, I didn't know the issue of the upright skull had already been discussed on this particular thread. I always found it curious, too. Thanks NTS and others.
That's a good picture with the side view of the site. Thanks, Eidetic.
Hopefully that will put to rest some of the claims about the remains having been submerged in a swamp the whole time (something more like topography further east of the remains site.) Except for those one or two brief periods with water up to 6" or whatever, the ground must have been a lot like this most of the time. (If you imagine the foliage back in the picture of course . This also gives a good view of the proximity to the street.