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[Glow]

Ciara, who is the "she" you are talking about?

 

[Ciara]

Ciara, who is the "she" you are talking about?

Any young girl under 18 really but if I had my way not till at least 25:crazy:

 

[Glow]

If I may ask, how did you arrive at 18 as your minimum and 25 as your max?

 

[SewingDeb]

Well Glow, that answered my question. You don't see a thing wrong with young girls getting pregnant. It's only our post feminist society that has a problem with it. Ok then. It must be God's will that the FLDS carries on the way they do.

 

[SewingDeb]

If I may ask, how did you arrive at 18 as your minimum and 25 as your max?

I'm not Ciara but I think she means she would like girls to wait until they are 18 and waiting until 25 would be even better. I totally agree with her.

Get some emotional and mental maturity and a little wisdom before you start marrying and raising a family. It might not be so easy to be brainwashed by the men in your life as well. JMO.

 

[Truly]

A female body wouldn't be "able" to conceive if it were not meant to.

We have undergone the feminist movement where we have been persuaded to think that "choices" and "careers" are our fast track to fulfillment.

100 years ago, marriage and children were viewed as the way to fulfillment.

I think American girls have been fed a steady diet of how you can "be" anything and "do" anything and the word "choices" sounds very empowering. It is currently very much in vogue to stress this with our young women and girls.

The results are in and they are not good.

What most females seem to want at the end of the day remains the same though - a man that loves them. Children. Financial and emotional security



I know (as I have said before) that historically Mary, the mother of Jesus was around 14 when she gave birth. She may have been 13 when she got pregnant, we dont know.

I know that even though we have changed a lot socially since then - our bodies are still structurally the same as then.

Glow, who is this fictional 'female body' that you are talking about?

I think Ciara answered quite gracefully and politely, given the extremely misogynistic attitude evident in your post.

 

[Glow]

I'm not Ciara but I think she means she would like girls to wait until they are 18 and waiting until 25 would be even better. I totally agree with her.

Get some emotional and mental maturity and a little wisdom before you start marrying and raising a family. It might not be so easy to be brainwashed by the men in your life as well. JMO.

I understand that. I was wondering about what it was specifically about 18 and 25 that she thought was good.

 

[SewingDeb]

Yes, I know that's what you wondered. Emotional and mental maturity was my thought. I'll let Ciara answer as to her thoughts.

Off to bed now and very thankful that my three daughters did not start having children when they started their periods.

Nite.

 

[Glow]

Well Glow, that answered my question. You don't see a thing wrong with young girls getting pregnant..

this is inaccurate

It's only our post feminist society that has a problem with it..

again, inaccurate

Ok then. It must be God's will that the FLDS carries on the way they do.

God and his will have nothing to do with the FLDS as far as I know. But then, I wouldnt presume to speak for God. I see that you are under no such compunction.

 

[Truly]

Yes, I know that's what you wondered. Emotional and mental maturity was my thought. I'll let Ciara answer as to her thoughts.

Off to bed now and very thankful that my three daughters did not start having children when they started their periods.

Nite.

Yes, Deb. Emotional and mental maturity, as well as the opportunity to reach legal adulthood and decide for themselves who to love and marry and have children with.

Goodnight Deb. Sweet dreams.:blowkiss:

 

[Ciara]

I'm not Ciara but I think she means she would like girls to wait until they are 18 and waiting until 25 would be even better. I totally agree with her.

Get some emotional and mental maturity and a little wisdom before you start marrying and raising a family. It might not be so easy to be brainwashed by the men in your life as well. JMO.

You said it SewingDeb:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Ciara]

Glow, who is this fictional 'female body' that you are talking about?

I think Ciara answered quite gracefully and politely, given the extremely misogynistic attitude evident in your post.

I have been known to be Graceful and Polite from time to time:bananapowerslide:

 

[Ciara]

I understand that. I was wondering about what it was specifically about 18 and 25 that she thought was good.

The Devil is in the Details Glow

 

[Truly]

I have been known to be Graceful and Polite from time to time:bananapowerslide:

Sweet dreams to you as well!:blowkiss:

 

[Glow]

You said it SewingDeb:clap::clap::clap:

I was wondering what is better about 18 then 19?

if "later is better" is our absolute?


Maybe you had a different standard in mind?

Sorry if the way I am phrasing my question is unclear. Since no one seems to "get" what it is I am really asking, I think that is a reflection on my obtuseness with the question.

I am genuinely interested in hearing how you arrived at the numbers that you chose Ciara.

 

[Glow]

Boy howdy ... that is exactly HOW you reach them..

I agree pamlet. I appreciate your posts.

 

[Glow]

So back to the facts of this case.

The 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires police to obtain a warrant signed by a judge before they enter private property to look for evidence of a crime or to apprehend a suspect.* A judge — before signing a warrant — must find “probable cause” to support the government’s forced entry onto private property.

But mystery surrounds the circumstances that led, eventually, to Judge Barbara Walther signing the warrant that authorized Texas Rangers, Sheriff Doran, and Texas CPS to enter FLDS homes on the YFZ Ranch at the beginning of April. One of the mysteries is suggested by this story first broken, on May 22, 2008, by ABCNews:

But a local judge had initially refused to allow Texas Rangers to search the compound, according to a statement from Texas Ranger Leslie Brooks Long. Long then took the same information to a different judge, who approved the search warrant, his statement says. (emphasis added)

Over the past few days, I have spoken with one current Cobb County Georgia SWAT team member and a former police officer living in Virginia. Both of these gentlemen confirmed my understanding that it is considered very bad form to do what the ABCNews story says Ranger Long did. Essentially, the story says that Long couldn’t convince the first judge to issue a warrant and decided to take the very same story to Barbara Walther knowing or hoping that she would sign it.

My SWAT team contact told me that in Cobb County, the team always takes its warrants to the magistrate on duty. If that magistrate refuses to sign, the warrant is dead unless the team can gather additional evidence to take back to the magistrate. He said that most of the Cobb magistrates are extremely demanding and closely question the officer requesting the warrant to ensure that probable cause does, in fact, exist. Further, he said that if he were to “shop” a warrant as Long allegedly did, there would be hell to pay on the back end — such as exclusion of evidence obtained in the search or other sanctions — if the case ever went to court.

All this leads me to ask several questions — assuming the accuracy of the ABCNews report — that some readers might help answer:

1. Is warrant shopping common practice either in Texas, generally, or in Eldorado and San Angelo?

2. If warrant shopping is NOT a common practice, what motivated Ranger Long — a Ranger veteran who should presumably know better — to shop the warrant?

3. Why did Long pick Barbara Walther as the second stop in his shopping spree?

4. Who was the first judge? (Note: Several witnesses have apparently identified Judge Johnny Griffin as this judge. But there is some question as to whether Griffin had authority to sign such a warrant because Griffin, while a County Judge, is not an attorney.)

5. Why did the first judge refuse to sign the warrant?

6. If the police would have hell to pay for shopping a warrant in Cobb County, Georgia, what about in Texas? If they don’t have hell to pay in Texas, why not?


http://iperceive.net/texas-cps-warrant-shopping-mystery-continuation/#more-545

 

[Truly]

The Devil is in the Details Glow

There's your answer, Glow.

This thread needs to go to bed. It has been exhausting to get you to tell us how you really view girls and women, but now that you have, I honestly doubt that anyone has the energy to keep playing this game.

Goodnight, and I hope that you find some peaceful sleep. I also hope that you wake up.

 

[SewingDeb]

Yes, Deb. Emotional and mental maturity, as well as the opportunity to reach legal adulthood and decide for themselves who to love and marry and have children with.

Goodnight Deb. Sweet dreams.:blowkiss:

Thanks Truly. I did have sweet dreams. : )

 

[SewingDeb]

Originally Posted by SewingDeb
Ok then. It must be God's will that the FLDS carries on the way they do.

You said: God and his will have nothing to do with the FLDS as far as I know. But then, I wouldnt presume to speak for God. I see that you are under no such compunction.

Glow, you don't seem to be able to recognize sarcasm when you see it.

That is partly in response to your post about how God in his infinite wisdom wouldn't let anything bad happen to the Virgin Mary...where it appeared that you presume to speak for God.

Also, the FLDS seem to think they are following God's will in what they do so it does seem to have everything to do with where they find themselves today.

I'm done now.